Mike Pompeo calls for global coalition to 'push back' against China

[Beast]

war is coming, that much is guaranteed. I think China’s leaders insular attitudes and lack of understanding of foreign nations have caused them to severely miscalculate the Anglo’s obsession with maintaining primacy.

They fully understand everything and everything is under China control. Even trump is a mole by China. Trump and pompeo action are nothing but to shame US themselves. Germany already start to get tired of US and distance themselves from US. UK is just small fry in whole Europe. Germany is the key for China in Europe. As long as Germany stay out of US nonsense. China interest in Europe is still intact.

US banning Chinese investment will only result more economy woes for themselves. No countries will reject investment. Only idiots do that. If China follow stupid US action, it will only be a mistake.

A mole in US cannot make moves too friendly to China, it will raise suspicious of his action but by implement extreme measure which damages it's own prestige and its own economy while looks good on surface to damage China economy is the best move to avoid suspicious as China mole. It gives the false impression Trump is very patriotic and doing whatever he can to help US.

Mark by words. A decade later or after US collapse. American will understand my post here and why he is the only US president to revive highest honour and red carpet from Xi when Trump visit China.

Trump inaction in covid-19 clearly indicate this president is out to destroy US itself. Trump is a shrewd businessman, you all must remember that.

 

[tower9]

They fully understand everything and everything is under China control. Even trump is a mole by China. Trump and pompeo action are nothing but to shame US themselves. Germany already start to get tired of US and distance themselves from US. UK is just small fry in whole Europe. Germany is the key for China in Europe. As long as Germany stay out of US nonsense. China interest in Europe is still intact.

US banning Chinese investment will only result more economy woes for themselves. No countries will reject investment. Only idiots do that. If China follow stupid US action, it will only be a mistake.

A mole in US cannot make moves too friendly to China, it will raise suspicious of his action but by implement extreme measure which damages it's own prestige and its own economy while looks good on surface to damage China economy is the best move to avoid suspicious as China mole. It gives the false impression Trump is very patriotic and doing whatever he can to help US.

Mark by words. A decade later or after US collapse. American will understand my post here and why he is the only US president to revive highest honour and red carpet from Xi when Trump visit China.

The German population is very anti-China as is most of Western and Central Europe.

The only reason why Germany has tried to stay neutral is because German goods are very profitable in China. However, if push comes to shove, Germany will tow the line and back the US against China.

The US is nowhere near collapsing. However, if it is, it would rather take out China with a massive nuclear strike using thousands of warheads before it collapses.

 

[HalfMoon]

nothing silly about it. it's perfectly rational and if India could do the same, it would. One piece of advice though: China probably won't fall, at worst we'll stagnate.

In that case, if you get anywhere near them, you will enjoy them stepping on your neck long before you get anywhere near their level. They learned its lesson with us, it won't ever allow another competitor to rise.

For India's sake you should be cheering China on as humanity's last hope. Otherwise you will be crushed and enslaved under a permanent global dictatorship. Remember that media is a reflection of aspirations, and there's no Indians on Star Trek.

Exactly. India's future is in being friend with China but these low IQ Indian idiots do not understand and act as slaves of the West.

 

[beijingwalker]

Germans are smart people, they never fully trust US and are preparing for the future.

Many Germans say China will overtake US as superpower: survey
JUL 14 202010:19 PM EDT

Is the United States losing its grip on world supremacy? Many people in Germany feel that it is and that China will be the country to take its place as dominant power in the coming decades, a new survey shows.

Some 42% of Germans feel that the United States is likely to slip from its position as leading world power in the next few decades, with China moving up to replace it, a survey published on Tuesday has shown.

Just 14% of those surveyed by the UK-based YouGov polling institute believed that the US would retain its supremacy. Some 23% were undecided and 22% gave no response to the survey question, "Which country, the US or China, will be more powerful in the course of the next 50 years, in your opinion?"

Opinions on the issue varied depending on which party respondents voted for. Supporters of the Left Party tended in the majority to predict China's future dominance over the US (54%), as did supporters of the business-friendly Free Democrats and the environmentalist Greens (52%).

Voters who support the far-right Alternative for Germany party were the most likely to say that the US would remain as dominant world power but even here, only 17% responded in that vein.

The survey was carried out from July 10-12, with 4,054 people aged 18 and over taking part.

https://www.dw.com/en/many-germans-say-china-will-overtake-us-as-superpower-survey/a-54173383

 

[HalfMoon]

The US hasn't been surpassed yet. And even if it has been surpassed in several areas, it is still far stronger than China because of its vast alliance system. China is quite isolated.

Why do you say China is isolated?

Do you know how many countries have signed up for BRI?

Do you know many countries including Japan and Australia are eager to sign RCEP?

EU, Russia, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Africa, South America all are supporting China.

 

[Beast]

The German population is very anti-China as is most of Western and Central Europe.

The only reason why Germany has tried to stay neutral is because German goods are very profitable in China. However, if push comes to shove, Germany will tow the line and back the US against China.

The US is nowhere near collapsing. However, if it is, it would rather take out China with a massive nuclear strike using thousands of warheads before it collapses.

Lol. What your so called many German are in fact just minority more expressive German barking online. The majority German keep quiet and they know their major source of income and growth comes from where. Merkel knows that and she is the voice of German.

If I gives u a choice to be number 2 like UK detrhrone by US. Would u still nuke me and seek kamikaze? U think China has no mean to wipe USA off the globe?

Did Soviet decide to nuke US just becos they collapse?

 

[tower9]

Why do you say China is isolated?

Do you know how many countries have signed up for BRI?

Do you know many countries including Japan and Australia are eager to sign RCEP?

EU, Russia, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Africa, South America all are supporting China.

The EU is not supporting China. The South American countries are too distant to matter. Africa is still very weak.

Japan and Australia are very hostile to China. They will join the US in waging war against China when that time comes, probably before the end of this year. The US will instigate a Gulf of Tonkin incident in the South China Sea and start a war. The US, UK, Australia, Canada, India, Japan, S. Korea, Vietnam will all join the war effort.

China doesn't have any allies that will join it in a war. Even Russia won't unless it was directly attacked.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I have no doubt that the US deep state is evil. At the same time, the PRC has done itself no favors in terms of its behavior towards weaker states and this is why it has little friends and a lot of enemies. Also, Xi overreached when much of the fundamentals were not even built. China's navy is still puny against the US but he went ahead and built islands. China's nuclear warhead count is tiny, yet he pursued a muscular foreign diplomacy. China was still heavily dependent on foreign semiconductors, yet Huawei pushed aggressively for global domination. If he was wiser, he would've spoken softly and worked harder at building a big stick. He miscalculated in thinking that the US would not take these agendas as major threats.


The US hasn't been surpassed yet. And even if it has been surpassed in several areas, it is still far stronger than China because of its vast alliance system. China is quite isolated.

Also, it is insane that China is maintaining such a tiny stockpile of warheads when conservatives are talking openly of a pre-emptive nuclear strike to wipe it out.

The Soviets had an even weaker hand during the Cuban Missile Crisis. They only had 20-75 ICBMs at the time, while the US had 170 and bombers in western Europe. Their economy was a fraction the size of the US. Didn't stop them. US still couldn't afford the risk, hence why the Cuban Missile Crisis occurred. China has a far stronger hand than the Soviets did during the Cuban Missile Crisis, just take a careful look at the numbers. Global Times was allowed to leak "1000 nukes", so the public warhead count is just the tip of the iceberg.

Huawei doesn't depend on American semiconductors either. They were banned from buying them in 2017 and have been designing their own since 2012, which is what the Kirin, Balong and Ascend chips are. They also never fabbed them using US semiconductor companies unless you think TSMC is American. What the US did was ban TSMC from using equipment it already bought and paid for, that happened to be supplied by US companies. That was an unexpected move because even the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany was not subject to this treatment. However, the important part is, the chip intellectual property is still Huawei's.

The American leadership is smart, though of mixed competence. They were the ones who destabilized the relationship in 2010 with the Pivot to Asia and a massive rampup of anti-Chinese propaganda in 2017. They would've pursued China regardless of what Xi did. Xi was forced to go aggressive, so he can get some gains and then if necessary, give up those gains. If you just keep cowering like the typical Asian doormat sidekick, you won't get the opportunity to give up gains, you'll instead be forced to give up core interests. You mistake public opinion for leadership. The tail does not wag the dog. The leadership directs the public, not the other way around.

 

[tower9]

Lol. What your so called many German are in fact just minority more expressive German barking online. The majority German keep quiet and they know their major source of income and growth comes from where. Merkel knows that and she is the voice of German.

If I gives u a choice to be number 2 like UK detrhrone by US. Would u still nuke me and seek kamikaze? U think China has no mean to wipe USA off the globe?

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Did Soviet decide to nuke US just becos they collapse?

China has 300 warheads. The US has 6000. You do the math. The US can pre-emptively fire 3000 warheads and wipe out China before it can return the favor.

 

[Beast]

China has 300 warheads. The US has 6000. You do the math. The US can pre-emptively fire 3000 warheads and wipe out China before it can return the favor.

Lol.. someone gets emotional and spew nonsense. You really trust China 300 nuke warhead theory?

Even with 300 nuke warhead. China is proven to have H-bomb and miniature warhead as demonstrates in 1967 testing with a 3.3 megaton warhead. That's equivalent to 320 atomic bomb.

Let me ask you, how many H-Bomb can US afford to eat it? A dozen, or a hundred? You can imagine the destruction of a single 3.3megaton H-Bomb and not to mention few of them. The aftermath radiation and decades of after effect are worst than instant killed by nuke bomb.

If China as what u claim as pusher just becos of small number of nuke warhead. US would have attack China now instead of petty useless economic sanction.

You think China developed DF-5B and DF-41 for fun only?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

China has 300 warheads. The US has 6000. You do the math. The US can pre-emptively fire 3000 warheads and wipe out China before it can return the favor.

In Cuban Missile Crisis, the Soviets only had 20 ICBMs vs. US 170 ICBMs, 26000 warheads and thousands of bombers in Western Europe.

US did not even try to preemptively take out the USSR.

And that's assuming 300 is accurate. Here's the original report... they have ???? for half the chart. Literally, they just put ?? as their numbers because they don't know.

They also have the number of DF-5B missiles demonstrably wrong, because 12 showed up on parade in October yet their chart claims there are only 10 total. They have DF-41 at 0, when 16 showed up at the parade. Like, their total count is less than the number that show up on TV. Basically, they have almost no idea what China's actual strategic composition is.

 

[beijingwalker]

After US losing its economic powers to China, all so called allies will leave US. Allies are the least reliable thing in the world history.

 

[tower9]

In Cuban Missile Crisis, the Soviets only had 20 ICBMs vs. US 170 ICBMs, 26000 warheads and thousands of bombers in Western Europe.

US did not even try to preemptively take out the USSR.

And that's assuming 300 is accurate. Here's the original report... they have ???? for half the chart. Literally, they just put ?? as their numbers because they don't know.

They also have the number of DF-5B missiles demonstrably wrong, because 12 showed up on parade in October yet their chart claims there are only 10 total. They have DF-41 at 0, when 16 showed up at the parade. Like, their total count is less than the number that show up on TV. Basically, they have almost no idea what China's actual strategic composition is.

The US knew that the USSR could be contained and that it was far weaker.

The US is a declining superpower now and knows that China, if it continues to grow, will surpass it. Desperation calls for desperate tactics.

Trump is crazy enough.

 

[Beast]

In Cuban Missile Crisis, the Soviets only had 20 ICBMs vs. US 170 ICBMs, 26000 warheads and thousands of bombers in Western Europe.

US did not even try to preemptively take out the USSR.

And that's assuming 300 is accurate. Here's the original report... they have ???? for half the chart. Literally, they just put ?? as their numbers because they don't know.

They also have the number of DF-5B missiles demonstrably wrong, because 12 showed up on parade in October yet their chart claims there are only 10 total. They have DF-41 at 0, when 16 showed up at the parade. Like, their total count is less than the number that show up on TV. Basically, they have almost no idea what China's actual strategic composition is.

No country in the world can blackmail China with nuke. They are seeking their own destruction only.

 

[Menthol]

war is coming, that much is guaranteed. I think China’s leaders insular attitudes and lack of understanding of foreign nations have caused them to severely miscalculate the Anglo’s obsession with maintaining primacy.

Soon or later, China will surpass USA.

Seeing China population number and how hardworking they are...

It happens naturally.


The conflict between Anglo-Saxon vs China is inevitable.

Whatever it happens today or tomorrow.

It will happen.


Deng Xiaobing already predicted decades ago.

China population is huge, even a little increase in standard of living, China easily surpasses USA.

A clash will happen.

That is why Deng Xiaobing said, the relation between China and USA will never be good, but it will also never be so bad.


USA doesn't want to be surpassed.

As well as China doesn't want to live poor and backward forever.