MiG Crash in Russia Freezes Further Indian Buys

[SQ8]

In fact Rafale is not Ski jump fighter and AFAIK we are getting such carriers which can only carry Ski jump fighters..

The EF had a ski jump naval variant in its future roadmap once.. wonder if its still there.
and I believe IAC-2 will use catapults..

 

[DacterSaab]

Hi check this out I came across it on net couldn't find it anywhere on forums either.

Pirates Kill Indian Carrier

May 5, 2011: India announced that it delaying, indefinitely, plans to build any more aircraft carriers. This is being done for several reasons. Most immediately, there is a growing problem with Somali pirates operating off the west coast of India and throughout the Indian Ocean. To deal with this problem, which doesn't appear to be going away soon, Indian warships and land based patrol aircraft have to spend more time patrolling. This is expensive. Another problem is that India has two aircraft carriers entering service in the next few years, and this may be more expensive than planned. Then there is the costly nuclear submarine program, which is getting more pricey, and time consuming, each year.
At the moment, India has only one carrier in service, the 29,000 ton INS Viraat. This ship returned to service two years ago, after 18 months in a shipyard for upgrades and refurbishment. The refurbished Russian carrier Gorshkov (now the 44,000 ton INS Vikramaditya), is supposed to enter service next year. India is also building a 42,000 ton carrier, or Air Defense Ship (ADS) and was planning on starting construction of a second one once the first one was launched. The first ADS ship is expected to enter service in 2012, and the second one was to be ready by 2017. But now, there won’t be a second ADS for at least a decade.

India has operated carriers for half a century, having initially acquired INS Vikrant from Britain in 1961. Vikrant was decommissioned in 1997. India acquired a second carrier, the Viraat, also from Britain, in 1986. When it enters service in 2012, the Vikramaditya will operate sixteen navalized MiG-29 fighters, plus some helicopters. The ADS ship will have a similar aircraft complement to the Vikramaditya.

Naval Air: Pirates Kill Indian Carrier

 

[sancho]

In fact Rafale is not Ski jump fighter and AFAIK we are getting such carriers which can only carry Ski jump fighters..

There is no ski jump fighter, because there is nothing really special that a fighter needs to take off via ski jump. The only important point is, if the fighter has enough thrust to take off from such a short distance, with a certain weight (weight of the fighter + loads). That means, you just need a carrier fighter with good thrust and in case of such heavy class fighters like the Su 33, a deck that is long enough.
Taking off from a CATOBAR carrier on the other side requires some changes, because the frontgear and the airframe needs to be more strenghtened to withstand the forces during the catapult take off.
The arrested landing is the same for both types of carriers and requires the same changes, so the only reason why a Rafale M shouldn't be able to take off from INS Vikramaditya, or IAC 1, but by the fact that it is lighter than the Mig 29K and has a similar TWR, I don't think it would be a problem. The only downside of the Rafale M is, that it don't have folding wings, which means it requires more space to be parked and on the elevators, so this could be more problematic than the take offs and landings.

The EF had a ski jump naval variant in its future roadmap once.. wonder if its still there.
and I believe IAC-2 will use catapults..

It's not on it's future road map, but the UK made some studies to redesign the EF to use them on their new carriers and these studies are the base for the Sea Typhoon that is on offer for IN in their MMRCA competition. No other partner, or potential export customer shows interest in this version, because it would be highly expensive and not very capable. The EF was simply not designed to be a carrier fighter and while the gear and airframe could be strengthened to make it at least usefull for STOBAR carriers, there would be too many changes needed to make it a real alternative.

 

[DacterSaab]

The UK, Spain and Italy wanted to operate F-35s from their carriers. But the F-35B STOVL/VTOL varient is on a 2-year probation and may get cancelled. Meanwhile the UK decided to increase the size of their carriers and decrease the number of operational carriers. The increased size allows them to operate F-35C CATOBAR varient they may configure one out of 2 to operate Sea Typhoon was designed for the naval MRCA as Indian is sure to operate atleast 2 STOBAR carriers.
Should the F-35B get cancelled then What will happen 2 the two new STOVL carriers constructed by both Spain and Italy unless they can somehow operate Sea Typhoons from it.

 

[nomi007]

it was better for Indian to induct naval tejas for new carrier
why they purchase mig-29 from Russia instant of advance jets
Indian air force highlight 14 defects in mig-35
even russian air force grounded all migs last year

 

[DacterSaab]

you mean Mig-29K is not advanced jet?????

N-LCA is a work in progress and is a light weight / short range fighter.
Mig-29K is a medium weight / moderate range fighter..... So we'r gonna operate both from Vikramaditya as well as Vikrant.

 

[MrIndianSikh]

i hope the crash was not because of a technical flaw in the aircraft because IN has already inducted MiG-29k and MiG-29KUB variants last thing we need is another crash or accident the media will sure create a backlash and bring back the "flying coffin" episode

 

[Tshering22]

I think this was pilot error. With due respect to the deceased pilots, I meant that anyone can make a mistake in the air. Not necessary that it has to be an old aircraft. The F-22 (one or two) That crashed had developed tech issues as well despite being state of the art. There has to be some other reason. Machines are made by humans and humans make mistakes.

Let the investigation be over and we shall see what can be done about this. By that measure, Tejas is doing pretty good I'd say. Has a spectacular record. Had US not sanctioned GE engines then, we would have already got it in IAF at least.

 

[koushik]

Mig 29 is good but not as great as the Kevari powered Tejas MK-II with turbo fin parallel thrust vectoring
If we can increase the size of the panels on kevari engine and add plastic bolts,it would not only increase its life span but also make it stealthier.
Chief Justice of delhi high court is being elevated to Supreme Court and Congress along with BSF hasnt shown any reservations and if we can somehow bring IPL on board then i am sure ISRO wont object to inter transfer of major ram as Sq leader Ram..if he can drive arjun then what the big deal if he is the chief test pilot for tejas and that will place a check on such crashes

Ja churail,ja churail,ja ja churail.........go to hell..

 

[DacterSaab]

Mig 29 is good but not as great as the Kevari powered Tejas MK-II with turbo fin parallel thrust vectoring
If we can increase the size of the panels on kevari engine and add plastic bolts,it would not only increase its life span but also make it stealthier.
Chief Justice of delhi high court is being elevated to Supreme Court and Congress along with BSF hasnt shown any reservations and if we can somehow bring IPL on board then i am sure ISRO wont object to inter transfer of major ram as Sq leader Ram..if he can drive arjun then what the big deal if he is the chief test pilot for tejas and that will place a check on such crashes

dude seriously by the time i finished reading this it'd changed so much that i couldn't remember where we had started and is it just me or none of this makes any sense??????????

 

[Zabaniyah]

dude seriously by the time i finished reading this it'd changed so much that i couldn't remember where we had started and is it just me or none of this makes any sense??????????

Guy is a certified troll. Ignore him.

 

[sancho]

The UK, Spain and Italy wanted to operate F-35s from their carriers. But the F-35B STOVL/VTOL varient is on a 2-year probation and may get cancelled. Meanwhile the UK decided to increase the size of their carriers and decrease the number of operational carriers. The increased size allows them to operate F-35C CATOBAR varient they may configure one out of 2 to operate Sea Typhoon was designed for the naval MRCA as Indian is sure to operate atleast 2 STOBAR carriers.
Should the F-35B get cancelled then What will happen 2 the two new STOVL carriers constructed by both Spain and Italy unless they can somehow operate Sea Typhoons from it.

That's not correct, those carriers have still the same size, they just changed the deck layout from STOVL to CATOBAR. This was the initial layout for the UK:

While the French wanted this, based on the same platform:

Also the Brithish government confirmed that they will build both carriers, while only one of them get F35C fighters and the other could be used as a helicopter carrier at the start. During Aero India the British defence minister stated:

being asked about the new naval variant of the Eurofighter Typhoon as a potential naval fighter for the Royal Navy, the Minister emphatically rejected the notion and reaffirmed his commitment to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter programme as a naval fighter for U.K.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...k-rejects-eurofighter-naval-favor-f-35-a.html

So that is out of the question as well, Sea Typhoon will only have a chance to be reality, if EF wins MMRCA, but even then it is too costly and limited capable imo, to pay for it's development, when latest Rafale and F18 SHs are available and proven.

 

[tvsram1992]

Guy is a certified troll. Ignore him.

Oh Rickshaw driver upgraded to version 2.0!!!
But rejected by PDF again.
Who knows he might have more id's in this forum with other names.

 

[DacterSaab]

That's not correct, those carriers have still the same size, they just changed the deck layout from STOVL to CATOBAR. This was the initial layout for the UK:

So that is out of the question as well, Sea Typhoon will only have a chance to be reality, if EF wins MMRCA, but even then it is too costly and limited capable imo, to pay for it's development, when latest Rafale and F18 SHs are available and proven.

thanks i may have been wrong about the size change part. But if the F-35B is on probation and may be cancelled then the two new STOVL carriers of Spain and Italy are two small to operate F-35C????

And then Sea Typhoon will never fly cause we wont buy it it's not fit for CATOBAR operation.

 

[DV RULES]

India can't terminate this deal and i think that after examining and solution of fault, issue will solve.