Mig 29 bought for BAF?

[Luffy 500]

That's because they are major non-NATO allies. Whereas, we aren't.

Bhai when did I say they don't.

Who told you this?

US is the most reluctant country when it comes to ToT. Compared to them we can have a shot
at anyone.

Many would disagree.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

By the time you get to know about Su30 and Mig29, we will be inducting Rafale...then again to catch up. Su-30MKI is way different due to its israeli and french avionics in it.

Our naval wing will be sufficient for BAF, Mig 29K, Rafale M (possible), N-LCA, by then....so forget about countering, just induct them to learn them....and may be after 2 decade you MAY counter IAF.

BD is not on a countering mission rather it's india. With current economy BD can comfortably spend 5/6 billion dollar on defense without violating international law on defense budget and raising eyebrows of international community. If you are really on the matter of countering, make some toilets and stop open defecation reducing defense budget. Then you have a possibility to catch us.

In a real war time I wonder how many iaf Rafaele, SU-30 MKI become flying coffins on their flight towards BD airspace with efficiency of their pilots and how many poor F-7s of BAF hit directly to the heart of delhi let alone BAF's SU-30, Mig-29SMT.

 

[Zabaniyah]

US is the most reluctant country when it comes to ToT. Compared to them we can have a shot
at anyone.

The US already give ToT for the F-16 to various NATO members such as Belgium and Turkey. And some limited ToT for the F-35. Ever heard of the F-4J and F-15J used by Japan? All under ToT arrangement. The same was offered for the F-18.

Apaches are also manufactured in the UK for British use.
AgustaWestland Apache - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As I said, being a major non-NATO ally is what makes the difference!

And besides, I think we are using the term 'ToT' too loosely for a machine like Gripen considering Bangladesh's lack of technology and infrastructure. Can we even make F-7s under a ToT arrangement? I doubt it.

Buy them off-shelf. Simple.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

I read in more than one report that China offered us the J-10 along with the J-17 but we went with the MiGs instead so it's not impossible the J-10 being offered to BD. Word is that Chinese domestic made fighters are rubbish. Atleast the ones they sold us. Myanmar airforce pilots truly hate the F/J-7 and that's why the MAF was in a rush to retire half of them.

Can your pilots properly operate fighters? Heard that foreigners operate your Mig-29s .

 

[alaungphaya]

Can your pilots properly operate fighters? Heard that foreigners operate your Mig-29s .

You heard wrong, son. One of the reasons MiG-29's were bought in the first place was to appease the pilots who disliked the F-7. You probably got this information from the same guy who thought Rafale's and SU-30's would fall out of the sky.

 

[alaungphaya]

The evidence(of the Chinese having surpassed the Russians) is right there, even Russian officials admit to that. Here's the excerpt I posted earlier from CIDEX(Chinese Defence Electronics expo):



Earlier, the situation was reversed with the Chinese going to the Russians to get components they could out-source.

Today the former students (the Chinese) have become the masters. Chinese industry now has the ability to produce components that the Russian electronics industry (after almost two decades of no investment by their government) is no longer capable of either designing or manufacturing. The initial failure rates on the production of transmit/receive (T/R) modules for the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars being designed for the Mikoyan MiG-35 and the Sukhoi T-50/PAK-FA 5th-generation fighter, for example, were so high that it would have bankrupted any western firm involved in a similar programme.

Not surprisingly, this year’s CIDEX show saw groups of Russian specialists going through the halls and looking for components that they could source out of China to be utilised in Russian-designed weapon systems. Russian specialists will point out that they are now at a huge disadvantage to the Chinese in two very significant respects.

One is that the commitment by the central government in resources to the defence electronics sector is both sustained and serious. “They can take a field where there is nothing but flat land and wild grass,” said one Russian company representative, “and the next thing you know there is a full-blown factory or design centre there turning out a world-class product.”

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/192696-mig-29-bought-baf-13.html#ixzz209lEr6gT

With due respect, this is not evidence. It's just a fawning, anecdotal piece about failing Russian components and what the Chinese can manufacture. There's even some throw away quote at the end by a 'Russian'. Sounds like propaganda but not Chinese propaganda. Is this from a Pakistani newspaper?

Do you have any actual evidence i.e. real world data or tangible analysis that Chinese avionics is superior or even considered superior to Russian avionics?

 

[TopCat]

You heard wrong, son. One of the reasons MiG-29's were bought in the first place was to appease the pilots who disliked the F-7. You probably got this information from the same guy who thought Rafale's and SU-30's would fall out of the sky.

How could they dislike something when they never flew anything other than F-7? If you marry a virgin she will think you are the best man in the whole freaking world. LOL

The first time I heard that a country decides a fighter based on the fun ride that their pilots like.

 

[alaungphaya]

How could they dislike something when they never flew anything other than F-7? If you marry a virgin she will think you are the best man in the whole freaking world. LOL

Are you trying to tell me you're a virgin? I can't help you, mate. BTW your point is silly. I've never driven a Ferrari but I'm sure it's a better car than the Mazda I actually drive.


* Poor analogy, I'd rather drive a Mazda than fly an F-7

Edit: It's not about the fun. The important thing is the feedback from the pilots who fly the airplanes in the first place. The F-7 is a limited fighter which has always been difficult to fly due to that funny delta wing. So it wasn't something pilots felt comfortable taking into combat.

 

[TopCat]

Are you trying to tell me you're a virgin? I can't help you, mate. BTW your point is silly. I've never driven a Ferrari but I'm sure it's a better car than the Mazda I actually drive.


* Poor analogy, I'd rather drive a Mazda than fly an F-7

Edit: It's not about the fun. The important thing is the feedback from the pilots who fly the airplanes in the first place. The F-7 is a limited fighter which has always been difficult to fly due to that funny delta wing. So it wasn't something pilots felt comfortable taking into combat.

Do you have a source where F-7 pilots are complaining? Myanmar or any other country.

As far as I know, F-7 are very good interceptor considering its speed and weight/Thrust ratio.

I heard, its not for fun ride but after Thai Smacking with F-16 your pilots thought they need Mig-29. Am I correct?

 

[boltu]

Are you trying to tell me you're a virgin? I can't help you, mate. BTW your point is silly. I've never driven a Ferrari but I'm sure it's a better car than the Mazda I actually drive.


* Poor analogy, I'd rather drive a Mazda than fly an F-7

Edit: It's not about the fun. The important thing is the feedback from the pilots who fly the airplanes in the first place. The F-7 is a limited fighter which has always been difficult to fly due to that funny delta wing. So it wasn't something pilots felt comfortable taking into combat.

As an interceptor it is the easiest air craft to fly thats what i've heard,due to its simple and slick design it can pierce through the sky at a very high speed to intercept.
Most of the new gen fighters use delta wing..see the list

Categoryelta-wing aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[alaungphaya]

Do you have a source where F-7 pilots are complaining? Myanmar or any other country.

As far as I know, F-7 are very good interceptor considering its speed and weight/Thrust ratio.

I heard, its not for fun ride but after Thai Smacking with F-16 your pilots thought they need Mig-29. Am I correct?

If you look around about F-7s and MiG-21s, you'll find that it's a difficult plane to fly. It's a very narrow body with small delta wings. I'm not an aero-engineer but that's bound to make it difficult to fly and maneuver; as the guy above said, it's mainly designed for straight interception and nothing else.

The MAF didn't get its *** kicked in 2001. The MAF didn't even get its **** together enough to scramble its fighters. A lot of airforce officers lost their job over that one. Infact, our pilots lobbied for Flankers but got MiG-29's instead. The problem with the MiG's is that they work better as a cohesive unit backed up by radar. But yes, the gov. got Fulcrums with a view on Thailand.

 

[Yogi]

self delete

 

[Icewolf]

Hi, I don't think BD will get J-10 anytime soon. J-10A/B was made when Pakistani engineers gave 1 or 2 F-16 blk 52 to China to develop a new fighter... Your government right now is anti-Pakistani, I don't think they will accept this.

 

[Yogi]

Of-course the Su-35 is much more superior than the MiG-29SMT. But it is much more expensive. Basically an Su-27 on steroids.



We really need UAVs. Especially to monitor our borders.

AWACS can be expensive. Western ones are much better than Russian/Chinese ones, but more expensive.

No doubts su35 is a better plane but u should consider that mig29 smts r also a well proven platform(which can not be said for su35) they r very cost effective in comparion to su35 n BD already operates mig29 so u can even set up a domestic industry for their repair n maintainance which will provide the much needed knw how to BD industry which u will never get with 10-12 su35
N secondly i think the money u save from opting migs can be utilized to get atleast 1-2 chinese ZDKs Awacs
pak operates 4 of them(along with saab awacs) so i think BD(considering ur economy with pak) can easily afford it
they might not be as good as the Israeli Phalcons but since China also operates them i think it not gona be that bad

N u knw even burma(if ever went for Awacs) won't get its hands on israeli tech so no problem of them getting anything superior

Or if u want something better go for Russian A-50Us that russia operates those might be a bit expensive to chinese ones but definately a more trusted platform

I think thats the best BD can do currently with 1% of gdp defense budget(which i don't see increasing anytime soon).

 

[Icewolf]

That's why PAF buying 36 FC-20's and 150 more on order.

I heard J-10B is superior/equal to F-16 blk 60