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Middle Eastern Christians Flee Violence for Ancient Homeland of Orthodoxy

Turkey and Qatar are where the FSA is based and where it draws most of its money. It would collapse tomorrow without these two countries.


So overthrowing Saddam is bad but overthrowing Assad would have been good? The two are not that different except in one thing:their religion. It looks to me that that is the main thing Gulf States care about and this is why the Western public wants nothing to do with the so called "moderate" rebels.

No, it was not bad. Did I say that? Or are you just spreading nonsense as usual when you discuss ME matters that you have little clue about?

It's widely known and accepted that the removal of Saddam gave rise to fundamentalism in the region. Without that invasion there would be no Daesh for instance. Christians also lived much better during Saddam's rule.

Al-Assad has no legitimacy left and only absolute fools want him to remain in power. The FSA have no problems with Christian Arabs.

There is nothing called "Gulf States".

For your information then FSA is going to be trained in KSA, Qatar and Turkey in the not so distant future. All coordinated with our Western allies.
 
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No, it was not bad. Did I say that? Or are you just spreading nonsense as usual when you discuss ME matters that you have little clue about?

It's widely known and accepted that the removal of Saddam gave rise to fundamentalism in the region. Without that invasion there would be no Daesh for instance. Christians also lived much better during Saddam's rule.

Al-Assad has no legitimacy left and only absolute fools want him to remain in power. The FSA have no problems with Christian Arabs.

There is nothing called "Gulf States".

For your information then FSA is going to be trained in KSA, Qatar and Turkey in the not so distant future. All coordinated with our Western allies.
You clearly think it was bad (as do I) because you correctly point out it led to a rise in fundamentalism in the region and the ethnic cleansing of Christians. Why do you imagine overthrowing Assad would lead to anything different?
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You clearly think it was bad (as do I) because you correctly point out it led to a rise in fundamentalism in the region and the ethnic cleansing of Christians. Why do you imagine overthrowing Assad would lead to anything different?

No, it was not bad because Saddam was a brutal dictator. A dictator that the West helped in power. Just like many other dictators across the world. It was bad for most people. The Christians were better off though because Iraq was a stable country outside of the Iraq-Iran war which mostly took place inside Iran. Today this is another discussion.

This is not about whether Saddam was good or whether the current situation is good. Both are bad. You fail to realize this it seems.

Syrians and Arabs as a people have lived together with minorities for 1400 years without major problems from Morocco to Yemen. Long before that too. When the Al-Assad family took power some 50-40 years ago they did not change that approach nor did they improve it. Once Al-Assad is gone (he has lost his legitimacy which is a consensus in the West) this will not change. The only problem is that such a bloody civil war has given rise to fundamentalism and mistrust between the various sects and groups in the society.

The world, including regional powers here, are all at fault because they should have acted much earlier to prevent the bloodshed and rise of Daesh.

Now there is talk of aiding Al-Assad in the fight against Daesh and then what? Give the throne to Al-Assad again? What do you think that the vast majority of Syrians will think about such a move? Those well over 100.000 people that he murdered and their relatives?

It's like pissing in your pants to keep warm. It might serve the purpose for a short while but on the long run it's not a wise or pleasant move.

Once again, FSA and most parts of the Syrian opposition have no problem with Christian Arabs whatsoever. There are several Christian brigades and units within FSA.

FSA is also having cordial ties with the West's darlings, the Kurds while Al-Assad is busy carpet bombing Kurds in Al-Hassakah.
 
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Refugees flee Syria and Iraq to Midyat, Turkey, which clings to its diminished role as the heartland of the ancient Orthodox faith.


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The fifth-century Mor Barsaumo church in Midyat, Turkey, draws Syriac Christians in what was once the faith's heartland, as well as refugees fleeing violence in Syria and Iraq.


MIDYAT, Turkey—On most afternoons, Mor Barsaumo, a honey-colored, fifth-century stone church nestled in a warren of slanted streets, draws a crowd. In the narrow courtyard, old men smoke cigarettes and drink coffee, while children kick a soccer ball across the stone floor. In a darkened classroom, empty except for a few desks, a teacher gives private lessons in Syriac, derived from Aramaic, the language of Christ.

And now, the refugees also come.

Advised by relatives or other refugees, newcomers to Midyat often make the steps of the church their first stop. Midyat and its environs—known in Syriac as Tur Abdin, “mountain of the servants of God”—are the historical heartland of the Middle East's widely dispersed Syriac Orthodox Christian community. Now the region has become a haven as the fighting in Syria and Iraq has forced Christians to flee their homes.

“All Syriac Christians come here. Most of the aid is delivered from here,” says Ayhan Gürkan, a deacon at Mor Barsaumo and a member of the Tur Abdin Syriac Christians Committee, set up to look after Midyat’s Christian refugees.

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Only four of Midyat’s eight churches are still used. Mor Barsaumo is the most central, and hence the easiest for newcomers to find. Its courtyard and schoolroom serve as a de facto community center for local Christians and refugees alike. Gürkan, smoking a cigarette by the church gate, is flanked by two Syrian refugees, Yusep Souleman and Nahir Mirza. Souleman’s grandchildren play alongside local children in the courtyard.

Gürkan estimates that of the 500 Syriac Christians in Midyat, about a hundred are refugees—most from Syria, with a handful from Iraq. Midyat is in southeastern Turkey, just 32 miles (52 kilometers) north of the border with Syria. Although an official refugee camp for Christians exists in Midyat, built on land donated by nearby Mor Abraham Monastery, few have chosen to live there. This is due partly to the poor provisions, says Gürkan—tents are no defense against the region’s cold winters—but also to the success of the Syriac Christian community at looking after its own.


“They are our brothers,” cuts in Mirza. “They take care of us.”

This care is material and spiritual, says Father Ishak Ergun, Mor Barsaumo’s priest, who is also on the refugee committee. Refugees find housing in the neighboring Syriac Christian Cultural Center, in monasteries such as Mor Gabriel or Mor Jacob, or in apartments the committee helps them rent in the city center.

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Ayhan Gürkan, a deacon in the Syriac Christian faith, reads from a religious book before teaching a Syriac lesson, as children toss a ball in the courtyard of Mor Barsaumo Church.
The day before, he tells me, another Syrian family came to Mor Barsaumo. He helped them rent a flat from a Christian landlord at a greatly reduced rate; community members furnished the apartment. The committee raises funds—soliciting donations from abroad as well as from wealthier members of the community—to subsidize rent when families are unable to pay. He and Gürkan also help refugees assimilate: accompanying them to hospitals and registration centers and filling out paperwork with them, including applications for asylum in Europe.

For many refugees, pastoral care is no less important. “We pray for them,” Ergun says. Not long ago, the community held a three-day fast to “call upon God to stop the pressure and to show a peaceful way forward.”

Ergun had just counseled a family that had trouble sleeping because of “the death, murder that they faced in their eyes,” he says. He provided a Bible in Arabic and encouraged them to read the Lord’s Prayer before bed. “After they read the Bible,” he says, they started to find some comfort.

Fear for the Future

Once, Christians dominated Tur Abdin. Monasteries dating to the fourth century dot the landscape: from Mor Gabriel, just outside Midyat, to Mor Hananyo, near Mardin. But Christianity has virtually vanished from the region. From the 1890s through the 1920s, the Ottoman Empire killed tens of thousands of Syriac Christians, a massacre known in Syriac as Sayfo, which mirrored the slaughter of Armenians and Greeks.


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Children in a classroom at Mor Barsaumo Church study the Syriac language, derived from Aramaic, the language Christ spoke. Because Syriac Christians aren’t a recognized minority in Turkey, their language can’t be taught in the public schools.


Today, Midyat’s Christians are uneasy about their culture’s chances for survival. Because Syriacs, unlike Armenians or Kurds, are not officially recognized minorities in Turkey, they cannot teach their language in public schools. And their status as Christians also marks them as separate from their Muslim neighbors.

“Midyat used to be a Syriac city,” says Gürkan. “Before the 17th century, there was not one single Muslim, not one single Kurd in this area. You see how it has changed. In 1960, there were 1,600 Christian families in the Midyat city center, plus many thousands more in villages. Now there are not even 120 families in Midyat.”

Tensions between Midyat’s Christians and their neighbors rarely boil over into outright violence, but Gürkan remains afraid. “Whenever there is anti-Islamic action in the West, we are blamed,” he says. “We pay the price. According to Muslims, a Christian is a Christian. We are all infidels to them.”

Christians in Midyat have been targeted when tensions flare elsewhere, such as the conflicts in 1968 on Cyprus between Greek Christians and Turkish Muslims and the crisis in 2005 when many Muslims worldwide protested the satirical depiction of the Prophet Muhammad in cartoons in a Danish newspaper.

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Gürkan reads from a religious text written in the Syriac language in a classroom adjacent to the Mor Barsaumo church before a service begins.
In 1968, Gürkan says, “they decided who would raid which house, who would seize whose daughters.” The intervention of sympathetic Muslim neighbors, who tipped the Christian community off and helped guard the churches, calmed the situation. “But we don’t forget that trauma. We still have those images.”

Father Daniel Savci, a monk at the Mor Jacob monastery, was kidnapped by hostile Muslim locals in 2007, although he was later released. Two years ago, Gürkan says, a service at Mor Barsaumo was interrupted by an Islamist who unfurled a Turkish flag. “He could have exploded a bomb.”

The Christian community now suspects the same man of having started a fire at nearby Mor Gabriel. “We know what happened in Syria, in Iraq ... we know what the Christian community faced,” says Gürkan. He fears that sympathizers of the Islamic State (ISIS) or other organized groups exist in Turkey.

Just Passing Through Midyat

Many of the Syrian refugees now arriving in Midyat are the descendants of refugees forced to leave Tur Abdin during Turkey’s Sayfo. They return, Gürkan says, with a sense of fear, one that he himself shares. “There is no guarantee that it won’t happen again tomorrow,” he says.

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A priest at Mor Barsaumo church is surrounded by worshippers who are singing select passages from the Bible. In an Orthodox service, nearly the entire celebration is sung.
Gürkan and Ergun do their best to encourage refugees to stay in Midyat, hoping the influx could bring new life to their dwindling community, but their efforts are often unsuccessful. “We tell them to stay here but they don’t want to,” sighs Ergun. “There are so many Syriac Christian villages in the region; they are empty now. I am telling them that the future of Europe is not clear, either. ISIS can attack in Europe too.”

A former Syriac language teacher who has been in Midyat for 13 months, Mirza is anxious to leave; he believes that his application for asylum in Germany, where his mother and sister live, is on the verge of being approved.

Mirza invites me to join him for tea at his apartment at the cultural center, which he shares with his wife and three children. As we walk through the courtyard, he points out another refugee: a man in his early 20s, recently arrived from Aleppo. He stands on the terrace, listening to music on his iPod. He keeps to himself, Mirza says.

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George Mirza helps his parents in the kitchen of the family’s temporary apartment in the Mor Barsaumo cultural center, where they wait to learn whether they’ll be allowed to move to Germany. The Syriac community has given them food and accommodations.
The apartment is small but well-kept, although little light makes it through the kitchen window. The family members gather in plastic chairs around a computer on the kitchen table, where Mirza shows me his Facebook page in Arabic, along with clips and images he has recently shared, nearly all promoting Syriac culture.

He shows me a chart detailing the similarities between the first ten letters of the Syriac alphabet and Arabic numerals—proof, he says, that our numerical system derives from Syriac. He plays me a YouTube video: a song in Syriac with images of Syriac monasteries.

There is not much else to do here, he says. He cannot work—one Syriac language teacher at Mor Barsaumo is more than enough—and he is prohibited from teaching in schools. His children do not play with local children, even Christians; he feels they do not understand one another. Nor does he feel able to send them to school. “It’s for Muslim people,” he says. “Not for us.”

He waits anxiously for the papers that will allow him to move to Germany. “We can’t be citizens here. We have no jobs; our children can’t go to school; we have no future for our children; and we can't go back to Syria,” he says. “So the only option is to go to Europe.” But his heart, he says, is still back home.

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Worshippers touch a cross when they enter and leave Mor Barsaumo Church. The gesture is to remind them that they have responsibilities as a baptised Christian and that the church is a sacred space, separate from the outside world.



Middle Eastern Christians Flee Violence for Ancient Homeland

the middle east and other citadels of peace will become pure only after the removal of these impurities !v good job. now lets protest against a bunch of cartons and burn a few furnitures. if u don't agree u are suffering from islamophobia!!!
 
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Please,all kind of conspiracy theories can be considered later.Think about the thousands of innocent human beings who are getting butchered.
impurity have to leave the land of pures . today or tomorrow.
 
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How about answering my entire post instead one little sentence?

FSA is not mentioned with a single word in that article. FSA is not Daesh or Al-Nusra. Those two terrorist groups are more busy killing FSA off than fighting the Al-Asshead regime.

In 2012 Al-Asshead released all the imprisoned Islamists to weaken the opposition. The leader of Al-Nusra was released by no other than Al-Asshead.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631

Assad regime released extremists from jail, says former intelligence official | The National

There have been zero massacres of Christians in Syria by the FSA. The only thing FSA has done is fighting against Al-Assad regime forces who are killing them and shelling their towns and killing their families. The FSA do not care about whether those regime supporters are Alawis, Sunnis or Christians.

Nor would you if you were in their position.

Stop trying to paint FSA as radicals when that's not the case. Once again, FSA has several Christian brigades and units fighting for them.

Also what's with all this talk about Christian Arabs? Do you really care about them? The West does not. Are they more important than other Syrians?
 
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Also what's with all this talk about Christian Arabs? Do you really care about them? The West does not. Are they more important than other Syrians?
I can't say I care a huge amount but I certainly don't want to contribute to their hardship. Nor should you.
 
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Yes,Syriac Christians of Kerala are concerned but we cannot do anything here. th

well, unlike the anti-communist tibetans given "refuge" in india, the syrian christians don't have tactical value for indian establishment.

impurity have to leave the land of pures . today or tomorrow.

no doubt, the muslim refugees from syria are also "impure"...
 
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well, unlike the anti-communist tibetans given "refuge" in india, the syrian christians don't have tactical value for indian establishment.



no doubt, the muslim refugees from syria are also "impure"...
u must have got the impurity message from the hotline of god right ?
 
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