Microsoft’s default font is at the center of a government corruption case

[VCheng]

That's just your personal opinion
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I am merely pointing out the flaw in his argument, which can be exploited in a proper court of law, that is all.

 

[Cent4]

Again Sir, facts are facts, and robust compared to mere assumptions. The law is very precise.

I am not a student of law but I know this that if one thing could have happened does not mean that it id.

 

[VCheng]

I am not a student of law but I know this that if one thing could have happened does not mean that it id.

The flawed argument makes his expertise doubtful, and the conclusion unreliable.

 

[M. Sarmad]

The flawed argument makes his expertise doubtful, and the conclusion unreliable.

No, it doesn't
You are 'assuming' too much

 

[Path-Finder]

The flawed argument makes his expertise doubtful, and the conclusion unreliable.

you seem to be convinced that it is flawed thus making the entire report bogus.

any way mean time some real gems for a laugh. editing in wikipedia 2006 to 2004

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Calibri&diff=prev&oldid=789986976

another great editing skill by massi's team removing godfather from wikipedia on nawaz sharif's page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nawaz_Sharif&diff=prev&oldid=783368321

 

[VCheng]

No, it doesn't
You are 'assuming' too much

I am merely going by facts, Sir.

you seem to be convinced that it is flawed thus making the entire report bogus.

I have already clearly stated that the other points raised by the JIT are much more valid, and only the font issue is quite demonstrably frivolous.





I think I need not say anything else here. Out.

 

[Cent4]

The flawed argument makes his expertise doubtful, and the conclusion unreliable.

At best Sharif's lawyer can argue that this is circumstantial and not conclusive evidence. But with the other million things that they have dug out it does not even matter.

This is the type of evidence that even if not held up in court would destroy their public image if used properly by opposition. Even if you look at online reviews people have picked this piece of evidence because they understand this and not the other more damning stuff because that is complicated to understand.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I am merely going by facts, Sir.

You are merely parading your opinions as facts ...

 

[Syed1.]

I am merely going by facts, Sir.



I have already clearly stated that the other points raised by the JIT are much more valid, and only the font issue is quite demonstrably frivolous.





I think I need not say anything else here. Out.

So some unknown lulooo over the internet has more forensic capabilities than a UK firm who is in the business for doing forensic investigations. Shabash hai larkay sahi ja rahay ho.

 

[Imad.Khan]

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[Radd-ul-Fasaad]

I contacted Lucas Font and this was their answer:
View attachment 410744
Unless a law firm was using a beta version of a Windows it is highly improbable that the document was produced on 2006.

 

[v9s]

Please my post above regarding Calibri's history.

Calibri was designed and released in 2004 to Microsoft, and first released as a part of Windows Vista beta in Nov 2006, and RTM was in 2007 as a part of Office 2007.

Businesses do not use beta software in live environments - ever. Usually they're 1-2 releases behind the latest RTM software release.

Sir, it was designed in 2002, and the TTF files were available years before the document was written. TTF files were installed directly into Windows for use by all applications. It became part of MS Office distributions much later, but that does not preclude its use prior to that date. Those are facts. An assumption remains just that - an assumption.

Wrong. See above.

 

[Major Sam]

Please read the "expert"'s statement above and tell me whether it can be correct as written?

You are forgeting one very important aspect.

Calibiri was introduced around 2004

But

with time it got different versions. So most probably as i didnt see the document. The version of calibiri they have used in that document was not available before 2007. Bec Beta version font cant be hundred percent same as final version.

 

[Amaa'n]

Please read the "expert"'s statement above and tell me whether it can be correct as written?

Yes, It can be taken as correctly, he has specifically mentioned that "Commercially available"
nowhere in the report it states that TTF was not even available before mentioned report was drafted

As far as conclusion of the JIT is concerned, then on page 54 first para, it states that Forensic team has hand in a comprehensive analysis report on the document which is Annex I, only outline of the report is mentioned ----
Conclusions were made in the light of that report not those bullet points

It goes both ways, Defense by all means can create the doubt in the minds of Jury / Judges , in the same way Investigating team can also throw the Defense off balance by doubting the defense -----
So i stay with the Fact ---- the fact is Calibri was not commercially available prior to 2007

 

[expert]

You are forgeting one very important aspect.

Calibiri was introduced around 2004

But

with time it got different versions. So most probably as i didnt see the document. The version of calibiri they have used in that document was not available before 2007. Bec Beta version font cant be hundred percent same as final version.

Unless we see the Document Verification Report, we cannot assume their findings were flawed in any way. A forensic investigation firm specializing in document verification would surely not put their reputation at stake by being careless in such a high-profile case.

Considering the entire document is shot through with deception, it is beyond reasonable doubt that the document was forged. The JIT report indicates that ink dating was not used which suggests that they did not need to do that because they were so sure. In any case, if any doubts are raised, this can always be done.

The only instance this will be relevant of course, is when the criminal trial for forgery against Maryam Nawaz gets underway. Otherwise, when the report is taken as a whole, there is no way contesting availability of the font will help--except as political defense.