Merkel says German multicultural society has failed

[Ras]

Multiculturalism is a failed concept and it only destroys the countries culture and makes people angry.

The only reason the western world has multiculturalism is because more people = more money for companies. Despite the populations of each country saying "We don't want multiculturalism" governments continue to mass immigrate people into the country and they continue to say "our people love multiculturalism" when they really don't.

Funny coming from an Australian...multi-culturalism can hardly be as bad as completing overwhelming the aborigines in their own country is it?

 

[r3alist]

lets get things straight

before talking about muslims in europe lets talk about the guys who allowed them in!!!


my worry is in 10-20 years time europe will be so heated about muslims that they will face the backlash

 

[Hussein]

lets get things straight

before talking about muslims in europe lets talk about the guys who allowed them in!!!


my worry is in 10-20 years time europe will be so heated about muslims that they will face the backlash

1/ Europe colonized so they got back some colonized people
for exemple for france the "harkis" are algerians who wanted to come to france when Algeria was independant
2/ Europe had a good economy period and they needed people
For exemple France in the 50s 60s was taking ten thousands of algerian and marocan people because it was not enough French people

There are many points which changed since then:
1/ a big increase of north africa people because the socialist government allowed easily mariage with foreigners and make the family come: so many algerian root people mary an algerian girl and she comes and then all family comes and so on
2/ it was a change since the 9/11 in some people behavior
from both side: from the people who forgot to understand French is laic
from the French people who changed their vision on Islam that before they didn't care

the very easy point to see the point 2 above is about the fascist parti of France : Front National
Before they said the ennemy was the foreigner: any foreigner because they were taking the so called real French people job
Now they say it is Islam the problem

 

[r3alist]

1/ Europe colonized so they got back some colonized people
for exemple for france the "harkis" are algerians who wanted to come to france when Algeria was independant
2/ Europe had a good economy period and they needed people
For exemple France in the 50s 60s was taking ten thousands of algerian and marocan people because it was not enough French people

There are many points which changed since then:
1/ a big increase of north africa people because the socialist government allowed easily mariage with foreigners and make the family come: so many algerian root people mary an algerian girl and she comes and then all family comes and so on
2/ it was a change since the 9/11 in some people behavior
from both side: from the people who forgot to understand French is laic
from the French people who changed their vision on Islam that before they didn't care

the very easy point to see the point 2 above is about the fascist parti of France : Front National
Before they said the ennemy was the foreigner: any foreigner because they were taking the so called real French people job
Now they say it is Islam the problem

you make some good points, but then the flow has continues pretty much non-stop.

therefore SOMEONE is allowing this to happen

someone is setting up a monumental clash, immigration is meant to be measured.


opening the doors is an invitation to trouble - so who is doing it?

 

[Coltsfan]

Are you kidding me? Going to court is not a Sunday picnic. It takes time, money and drains you emotionally -- even if you win the court case. And who has the means to keep taking time off from work to fight court battles even if they are right?

If it is worth fighting for then one should be willing to make sacrifices.

That is the whole debate and you have reached the verdict before even considering the case. The Islamophobes want to equate Islam with terrorism and, by extension, every Muslim is a potential terrorist until proven innocent. It defies the very basis of justice.

That is the very definition of Islamophobes, I hope you don't imply that I subscribe to that POV. I am just saying that incidents of Islamic militants in west are an important factor in the way west reacts of Muslims.

Again, you are condemning an entire community for the actions of a few extremists. By your logic, all Christians are guilty of 'tacit approval' every time a Christian commits a crime. Or a Hindu. Or a Jew.

It's ridiculous to hold an entire segment of your community accountable for the actions of some criminals.

Do you believe that the moderates in the community have a responsibility to rise up to the extremist radical elements in their society?

Case in point: When Pastor Jones threatened to burn Koran on 9/11 there was an over-whelming criticism of him. That is the way moderate elements stand up to the fringe extremists.

The moderate elements in a society can't just blame it on a few bad apples and wash away their hands. Unfortunately, unless the moderate Muslims take a stand against the few radical elements, things are only gonna get worse.

 

[Cheetah786]

Yeah its muslims fault and not german policies why multiculture is a failed idea the whole system is designed to make sure immigrants cant get ahead or feel at home to a point where immigrants are not allowed to buy a property.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

That's not a fair comparison to say that they are not as bad as the Wahhabi regimes. The better comparison would be against moderate Muslim countries, and I would state unequivocally that non-Muslims in moderate Muslim countries are treated better than Muslims are in the West.

That's right. Moderate Muslim countries are far more tolerant of religious diversity than Western countries. We don't have the mainstream media working 24/7 to stigmatize and demonize them for every petty crime. We don't have demagog politicians using them as scapegoats during election campaigns. And we don't have federal laws, national media campaigns and lynch mobs to oppose constuction of their prayer halls. They don't face job discrimination or harassment on the streets because of their dress.

Whatever communal violence there is against religious minorities is not disproportional compared to criminal activity in general -- it is more a manifestation of lack of law and order rather than organized targetting of specific groups.



Yes, the threat comes from extremist elements, not the mainstream community. By stigmatizing and demonizing an entire segment of the population, the West is only exacerbating the situation.

Twelve year old schoolgirls wearing the headscarf is not a 'threat'; building a minaret is not a 'threat'; wearing a headscarf while teaching school is not a 'threat'; wanting to enact conservative dress codes in a swimming pool for one hour a month in a heavily Muslim neighborhood is not a 'threat'.



Anybody who advocates violence should be dealt with severely by the authorities. It is a law and order problem, not a clash of civilizations.



Well, it depends what they want to 'train'. I didn't hear about this US push to have women giving azaans but we can agree that they shouldn't change any Islamic principles. The kind of training I would like to see would be things like encouraging education, work skills, social work, language learning, history, culture, etc. Things that the foreign-born mullahs, used to the dogmatic, authoritarian approach in the old country, don't bother with.



I was talking about the ones in Australia. Most of them have strong Lebanese accents and are not very strong on public relations skills. The point is that the Islamophobes want to portray Muslims as aliens who cannot integrate into Western society. We need to counter that image by presenting public figures who are 100% local and are indistinguishable from the average man on the street.

This ties in with a fundamental tenet of Westen liberalism where, some decades ago, a prominent supporter of multiculturalism strongly advocated showing positive images of non-whites in mainstream media. That is why you will almost always see blacks, Asians, Latinos and others in a positive context in Western media. The only groups that are consistently shown in negative light, other than white males, are Arabs and Muslims.



Are you kidding me? Going to court is not a Sunday picnic. It takes time, money and drains you emotionally -- even if you win the court case. And who has the means to keep taking time off from work to fight court battles even if they are right?



That is the whole debate and you have reached the verdict before even considering the case. The Islamophobes want to equate Islam with terrorism and, by extension, every Muslim is a potential terrorist until proven innocent. It defies the very basis of justice.



Again, you are condemning an entire community for the actions of a few extremists. By your logic, all Christians are guilty of 'tacit approval' every time a Christian commits a crime. Or a Hindu. Or a Jew.

It's ridiculous to hold an entire segment of your community accountable for the actions of some criminals.

well all the points you make is a result of increased perception in the West of all Muslims who come as immigrants being radical and fundamentalists in their views towards the western way of living....and according to western observers in high administrative positions ....such immigrants wish to enjoy western facilities and benefits without any compromise on their tradition/culture as they were accustomed to in their respective homelands......

so here let me raise a question....how many of these cases of discrimination on a religious basis did anyone encounter before 9/11 happened ?......there would hardly be many examples ......

for several decades Persians , Arabs , South Asian muslims have been immigrating to the west .....and the visa officials have never before been hesitant.....today the Indian & Pakistani diaspora 's considerable size in the states and the Bangladeshi diaspora 's size in the U.K is ample proof that such discrimination is a recent phenomenon......
resulting from increasing threat perceptions at the govt levels of the west....and also to an extent among the general populace......

but since history ( 9/11 ,7/7 ,other extremist actions) cannot be altered or their memory cannot be erased ......

such occurrences and such public displays of paranoia are something we all are forced to live with......all the affected have no choice but to take such reactions in their stride.... for fear often turns common sense on its head.......

 

[Desert Fox]

Don't know what you are talking about, but multiculturalism is alive and thriving in Canada. Of course everyone here has a decent command of English, perhaps because most of the immigrants are from nations where English is widely used already. Perhaps the French and German should learn a thing or two from canucks about how to implement multicultural policies properly.

or perhaps they should stop the immigration flow into their country.

LINK-Immigrant Rioting Flares in France for Ninth Night

LINK-Immigrant youths riot in Sweden, burning down school

And what happens in France:

http://www.********.com/view?i=078_1275256429

 

[Kambojaric]

or perhaps they should stop the immigration flow into their country.

LINK-Immigrant Rioting Flares in France for Ninth Night

YouTube - BBC: Paris riots

LINK-Immigrant youths riot in Sweden, burning down school

YouTube - Immigrant Riot Wave in Sweden.

And what happens in France:

********.com - Dark skinned french man slaps innocent girl on the street

All of these riots can be stopped if the 2nd, 3rd generation immigrant youth are given jobs. I noticed you gave an example of riots in Sweden. Well i have lived in Sweden most of my life and can question you why wasnt there any riots 10 years ago? because there were no gangs of unemployed youth out on the streets who had nothing to do. In the end this frustration comes out that a Mr. Svensson will be preferred for a job even if a Mr. Martinovski or Mr. Abdullah are better qualified to do that job. Its not these 2nd, 3rd generations immigrants fault that they'r parents, grandparents decided to move to this country. And to tell them to go back to their country of origin wont make any sense to most of these youth, because as far as they know they are swedish, they were born here, speak swedish etc.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I hope you can see why some people in the west do not wish to have Muslims, perhaps because Muslims do not assimilate in western culture very well.

The only word to describe that is discrimination.

Some Western politicians who have the Geert Wilders or BNP mentality, want to ban Muslim immigration, but have no problem with Buddhist/Hindu/Christian/Atheist immigration.

That is the very definition of discrimination.

 

[gambit]

The only word to describe that is discrimination.

Some Western politicians who have the Geert Wilders or BNP mentality, want to ban Muslim immigration, but have no problem with Buddhist/Hindu/Christian/Atheist immigration.

That is the very definition of discrimination.

Is it easy for a white or black to become a Chinese citizen?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Is it easy for a white or black to become a Chinese citizen?

I grew up with friends who were ethnically British, Indian, and even Japanese. And yes they are fellow citizens, after all they were born here.

You would be surprised to see how well some South Asians can speak Chinese. In fact, probably the most famous Mandarin-language teacher in China is called "Da shan", and he is a white Canadian.

I'm not sure what it has to do with my post above, do you agree or disagree with that post, in which I say banning Muslim immigration is discrimination?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I had an x5. The most royal pain on the rear end I ever had. Key problems ( I figured it out, the BMW techs couldn't), pixels on the gauge display just disappeard, altinator problems. I had much less problem owning American cars.

But the damn thing drove like hell. You can do 100 mph , and don't feel it at all ! The grip on the road is like a pit bull on a peice of meat !!

Thats why I would buy BMW again, but not an x5 though.

My brother has an M6.... And its awesome! lol

Multiculturalism is awesome. I used to live in New York City. Pretty much everyone from around the globe lives there.

 

[Coltsfan]

The only word to describe that is discrimination.

Some Western politicians who have the Geert Wilders or BNP mentality, want to ban Muslim immigration, but have no problem with Buddhist/Hindu/Christian/Atheist immigration.

That is the very definition of discrimination.

How many bomb blast did we have by the extremist followers of Buddhist/Hindu/Christian/Atheist religions?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

How many bomb blast did we have by the extremist followers of Buddhist/Hindu/Christian/Atheist religions?

How is your average Muslim responsible for any of that?