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Merkel says German multicultural society has failed

Such statement coming from a head of state is dangerous. It makes her no different from any religious bigots. In countries such as India tolerance towards others culture is necessity. With globalization and in the era of War on Terrorism, the need to hour is to appreciate and tolerate other's culture and not the other way round.

Merkel would do good if she makes efforts to make Germany an multicultural society rather issuing statements which would make integration of Germany harder into International community.
 
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It's a complex issue.

While there is no doubt that xenophobes and bigots have hijacked a legitimate issue, and Merkel is only being a dangerous demagogue here, there is a kernel of truth to the whole debate.

Many conservative Muslims see integration as an either-or choice; it doesn't need to be. Integrating into Western culture doesn't mean you have to start drinking alcohol or become promiscuous. It also doesn't mean you have to give up your religous rituals. It is quite possible to be a normal, average Joe in a Western country and still not drink alcohol, keep fasts in Ramadan and continue speaking your own language outside of work.

I would say one of the best models to follow for immigrants would be Asian (specifically Chinese and Japanese) immigrants. They tend to assimilate quite well into the host culture without sacrificing their ancestral culture.

While it is true that some European countries (France, Germany, Belgium, Switzerland, Holland) have legitimized Islamophobia into national laws, that was to be expected from the continent that spawned the Holocaust. Meanwhile, the English-speaking Western countries continue to be quite liberal and tolerant and old-time Muslim immigrants in those countries should strive to set an example of integration for new migrants.

Something that German chancellor said about training Islamic scholars and I totaly disagree with it and is plainly stupid!

Actually, I quite agree with her. It makes me cringe every time I see one of these Muslim religious leaders come on national TV. These guys are a phenomenal embarrassment to the Muslim community and reinforce thousandfold the public image of Muslims as aliens.

They talk in thick foreign accents, have little knowledge of local culture and history, and woudl score a whopping zero on any public relations skills test.

All Muslim religious leaders in Western countries should be locally educated and reared -- there should be absolutely no importing of religious leaders from the old country.
 
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Such statement coming from a head of state is dangerous. It makes her no different from any religious bigots. In countries such as India tolerance towards others culture is necessity. With globalization and in the era of War on Terrorism, the need to hour is to appreciate and tolerate other's culture and not the other way round.

I agree, the increase in anti-immigrant rhetoric can end up causing problems. Merkel isn't a bigot (I don't think she is anyway) but such words can have side-effects for the immigrant families who may already be facing problems on the street.

That said, I would be very happy if the immigrants who come to Hong Kong (from Western countries and from other places in Asia, etc.), tried a bit harder to learn some Chinese. :azn:
 
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I agree, the increase in anti-immigrant rhetoric can end up causing problems. Merkel isn't a bigot (I don't think she is anyway) but such words can have side-effects for the immigrant families who may already be facing problems on the street.

That said, I would be very happy if the immigrants who come to Hong Kong (from Western countries and from other places in Asia, etc.), tried a bit harder to learn some Chinese. :azn:

I am not implying that Merkel is a bigot, but she is playing into the politics of right wing to satisfy a section of society…and yes her statement would do more harm to German as a whole than to the immigrant families.

Her statement is more than what you are implying such as learning local language and adopting local culture
 
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I'm sorry, what did you think I was implying? Are we not talking about multiculturalism?

I thought, you were implying that immigrants should learn local language and assimilate local culture. Please correct me if I am wrong

And I feel, multiculturalism has to do with respecting the difference between cultures
 
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I thought, you were implying that immigrants should learn local language and assimilate local culture. Please correct me if I am wrong

And I feel, multiculturalism has to do with respecting the difference between cultures

Ah... I see. Well you are right then, I was primarily talking about language and assimilating to local culture.

Multiculturalism isn't a big thing in Hong Kong, since 95% of us are Han Chinese. So I'm probably not very well informed about it.
 
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Merkel?? a Nazi/sympathizer??

BMW is crap???Have you ever used one??

that was just too much to take you seriously.....

I had an x5. The most royal pain on the rear end I ever had. Key problems ( I figured it out, the BMW techs couldn't), pixels on the gauge display just disappeard, altinator problems. I had much less problem owning American cars.

But the damn thing drove like hell. You can do 100 mph , and don't feel it at all ! The grip on the road is like a pit bull on a peice of meat !!

Thats why I would buy BMW again, but not an x5 though.
 
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Multiculturalism even failed the french football team.

They won the world cup in 1998
And they are now the number 1 of their group for Europe selection
They failed only because of the trainer who is much unpopular here
There is nothing to do with multi ethnicity or multi cultures...
 
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Such statement coming from a head of state is dangerous. It makes her no different from any religious bigots. In countries such as India tolerance towards others culture is necessity. With globalization and in the era of War on Terrorism, the need to hour is to appreciate and tolerate other's culture and not the other way round.

Merkel would do good if she makes efforts to make Germany an multicultural society rather issuing statements which would make integration of Germany harder into International community.
If everyone could think like you it would be no problem
But the politics they follow what is the opinion

Just my simple advice about it:
1/ France germany England : the untolerance is growing
especially towards muslims
2/ many asian people here don't speak French
but nobody is complaining about that. but if an arab or someone who is wearing scarf is not speaking French, people show they didn't like it

There is an islamophobia in Europe
But i can see o facebook or forums there is an Islamophobia in USA too. The Iranian accounts are taken by.. for exemple Liberal Democratic Party comes to our account and when it is matter of Islam what you can read is
"The true mohamadany is worth then hitlers SS. if they could (and they are heading to this ) they will get us, each of us..."
"Your prophet raped a 9yo girl"

This is true not speaking German is a problem. It shows that people don't want to live in the society they said to have choosen.
 
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many asian people here don't speak French
but nobody is complaining about that. but if an arab or someone who is wearing scarf is not speaking French, people show they didn't like it

That's the important point.

Many Europeans don't like any non-white immigrants but they are not allowed to complain about Asians, Indians, South Americans etc. So they channel all their frustrations towards the one group towards which they are allowed to be racist (Arabs) and bigoted (Muslims).
 
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That's the important point.

Many Europeans don't like any non-white immigrants but they are not allowed to complain about Asians, Indians, South Americans etc. So they channel all their frustrations towards the one group towards which they are allowed to be racist (Arabs) and bigoted (Muslims).

Some Muslims IMO refuse to follow western culture and obey laws and that makes them an easy target for prejudice.

Case in example: Drawing of Prophet Mohammed, If Muslims in Europe did not like the freedom of speech, then they should go back to place where drawing such a cartoon is a crime.
 
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Learning local language of that nation is very important and helps alot to integrate into that society. You don't have to learn nonsense.

Something that German chancellor said about training Islamic scholars and I totaly disagree with it and is plainly stupid!

Read below:
Germany announced on Thursday it would fund Islamic studies at three state universities to train prayer leaders and religion teachers more in tune with Western society than the foreign Imams preaching at most mosques here.

It is as if German Govt is trying to redefine and present their version of Islam.
Read it "in tune with Western society" What does it mean?
A flop idea it will only make things worst.

German universities to train Muslim Imams

No, I don't think she had any intention to redefine Islam. I think that all she meant was that Germany does not want Pakistani or Bangladeshi Maulvis in German mosques. Is that really that unreasonable?
 
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That's the important point.

Many Europeans don't like any non-white immigrants but they are not allowed to complain about Asians, Indians, South Americans etc. So they channel all their frustrations towards the one group towards which they are allowed to be racist (Arabs) and bigoted (Muslims).

LOL, thats very funny dude. How are these people not allowed to complain against Indians? Looking for an excuse? Fact is Indians generally mind their own business in foreign lands and do not want to turn them into religious conquests.

Its not like Indians do not receive racist or anti immigration abuse, we do.
 
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Some Muslims IMO refuse to follow western culture and obey laws and that makes them an easy target for prejudice.

Case in example: Drawing of Prophet Mohammed, If Muslims in Europe did not like the freedom of speech, then they should go back to place where drawing such a cartoon is a crime.

To be fair there is hypocrisy on both sides. The same Danish government that defended the Mohammad cartoons decided to prosecute two Arabs for 'hate speech' when they drew a cartoon mocking the Holocaust. And there were no mass exultations of support for these Arabs, no newspapers rushed to print the Holocaust cartoons, no politicians made long speeches defending their right to 'free speech'...

LOL, thats very funny dude. How are these people not allowed to complain against Indians?

How many laws and protests do you see being pursued against Indians or Hindus? How many books get published by mainstream publishers attacking Hinduism? How many locally made movies show Indian immigrants always in a negative light as criminals and welfare cheats? How many mainstream TV personalities openly stereotype all Indians and Hindus in a negative way?

Fact is Indians generally mind their own business in foreign lands and do not want to turn them into religious conquests.

So do most Muslims. They are not there to 'conquer' anything either.
And if you are talking about extremist Muslims, then there are extremist Hindus as well who want to turn the US into a Hindu country. I am not kidding!

Its not like Indians do not receive racist or anti immigration abuse, we do.

Not openly; not from the mainstream media and top level politicians including the President or Prime Minister.
 
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