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Meeting Pakistan's most feared militant

Baitullah Mehsud, who heads the loose grouping of militants known as the Pakistan Taleban, has given a rare press conference to invited journalists. They included the BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan.



The Taleban control many areas in Waziristan


"I hope your trip has been enjoyable so far," our host asks us.

Ordinary garden tea party talk except for two things - the venue and the host.

We are in Pakistan's tribal region of South Waziristan. Our host is the region's top Islamic militant, Baitullah Mehsud.

Commander Mehsud has recently been named in Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world. Newsweek has labelled him "more dangerous than Osama bin Laden".

President Pervez Musharraf accused him last year of being responsible for dozens of suicide attacks which led Pakistan into emergency rule.

The CIA says he was the brains behind the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minster Benazir Bhutto.

With such a reputation, it is not surprising that there is a sense of awe as this short, plump, bearded man greets us.



Breakneck speed

We are part of a group of journalists invited by Mr Mehsud to his stronghold to see for ourselves "the atrocities committed by the Pakistan army in its recent campaign in the area".

Pakistan's army and pro-Taleban militants led by Baitullah Mehsud have recently agreed to a ceasefire after being locked in battle for most of 2007.


Baitullah Mehsud is reluctant to be photographed

The ceasefire is part of attempts to secure a lasting peace in the area.

Earlier this month the army brought in journalists to show their successes against the militants in January.

Now it's the militants' turn to have their say.

Our journey with the Taleban had begun with a long wait for them at a petrol station in the town of Mir Ali, just inside North Waziristan.

A caravan with over half a dozen vehicles took off, travelling at breakneck speed through beautiful valleys and towering mountains.

Our escorts were on their guard, the speed is as much for security as for safety.

We saw very little of the heavy presence of troops in the area that the government talks about.

We did see plenty of abandoned check posts and bunkers destroyed by the Taleban.

In the town of Makeen in South Waziristan we switched to four-wheel drives.

Our destination was the district of Sararogha, very much the heart of Taleban territory.

Havoc

It was dark when we finally arrived at a madrassa (religious school) high up on the mountains where we stayed in a nearby house for the night.

The next morning we headed down to the valley below to be shown the damage caused by bombing raids carried out by military aircraft.

The villages were a scene of havoc, with almost all the houses having suffered some damage.

Some have been completely destroyed, leaving their owners homeless.


Buildings damaged by air force bombing

"I have no money left now," says Ali Khan, a local of Golrama village in the Kotkai area.

Mr Khan's house was bombed by jets after he had fled the fighting with his family.

"I worked in the UAE since 1980 to build this... all my life's savings."

"There are no Taleban in my house, why did the government do this?"

Many families who fled during the intense fighting have been coming home to similar scenes.

Our last stop was Spinkai market which is now a mile long stretch of rubble.

Angry shopkeepers and irate locals line up to express their anger.

"The place they said was used to train suicide bombers is, in fact, a flour mill," says Haji Khan, whose shop was also destroyed.

"We were all traders here and now our means of earning a living is gone."

As he complains, a line of vehicles passes us on its way back to the nearby hamlets and villages.

The ceasefire, it seems, is already starting to take effect.


No choice

But will it last, or go the way other deals have gone before?


The army says it has dismantled the Taleban's capacity in the region

In our garden meeting, "Amir Sahib" (honoured leader) - as Baitullah Mehsud is affectionately called by his men - smiles and shakes his head when this query is raised.

Around us, dozens of militants armed to the teeth listen intently to their leader.

"The Taleban are committed to their word," he says.

"The onus is now on the government - whether they hold to their word, or remain in the alliance with the US."

If that persists, Commander Mehsud says, the militants will have no choice but return to their path of resistance.

"We do not want to fight Pakistan or the army. But if they continue to be slaves to US demands, then we our hands will be forced.

"There can be no deal with the US."
 
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If someone uses common sense....then lets see who is to be blamed.....Mehsud saab or our Military....
I'll quote an example here to simplify this....
imagine a wolf who is killing sheep is chased down by the people of the town and during that a few other livestock gets killed...who is to be blamed now..the wolf or the shooter....
 
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Meeting Pakistan's most feared militant

Meeting Pakistan's Most chicken Terrorist who hides his face and uses Kids as his weapon.(proper Title)
 
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I saw the clip.

Mehsud had covered his head with a cloth and so one could not recognise who was it!

Unfortunate that he has his followers in the area and sympathisers in mainland Pakistan.

He deserves to be captured and jailed at the earliest!
 
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I saw the clip.

Mehsud had covered his head with a cloth and so one could not recognise who was it!

Unfortunate that he has his followers in the area and sympathisers in mainland Pakistan.

He deserves to be captured and jailed at the earliest!

Mianland.....?????
thori si roshni dalay sir is per zara...
 
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I tried to reply you, but for the whole day, I could not log in owing to some problem to log in to PDF. It was not at my end since I could log on to other fora.

My apologies. By Mainland, I meant the non insurgency affected area, where there is relative peace.

Wrong choice of words I will admit.
 
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BBC is simply full of it.

365 days a year they will whine about Pakistan not doing enough about terrorism and how these militants roam freely, and now that Pakistan is ruling with an Iron fist, the Taliban and their supporters get some precious air time to show the injustice done to them in the recent fightings.

This is such a low blow imo since under any other circumstances, the millions of Pakistanis who suffer from the actions of the Taliban goes unreported, but the collateral damage to people who support these militants is broadcast all over despite the fact that Pakistan was pretty much pressured into fighting them in the first place.

There is simply no way of keeping western media happy.
 
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BBC is simply full of it.

365 days a year they will whine about Pakistan not doing enough about terrorism and how these militants roam freely, and now that Pakistan is ruling with an Iron fist, the Taliban and their supporters get some precious air time to show the injustice done to them in the recent fightings.

This is such a low blow imo since under any other circumstances, the millions of Pakistanis who suffer from the actions of the Taliban goes unreported, but the collateral damage to people who support these militants is broadcast all over despite the fact that Pakistan was pretty much pressured into fighting them in the first place.

There is simply no way of keeping western media happy.
Dude i think we need to get out of this mindset that we will ever make anyone of these foriegners happy about what is happening in pakistan. also its not there job to be happy it is there job to report what is happening there job is to report the facts without any additional comentary and this is where they are lacking the most.
 
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There is simply no way of keeping western media happy.

Things are being done for the sake of the Pakistani nation not to keep international media happy.

If it is in the interests of the nation then I would ignore those with views like the bbc's
 
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BBC is simply full of it.

365 days a year they will whine about Pakistan not doing enough about terrorism and how these militants roam freely, and now that Pakistan is ruling with an Iron fist, the Taliban and their supporters get some precious air time to show the injustice done to them in the recent fightings.

This is such a low blow imo since under any other circumstances, the millions of Pakistanis who suffer from the actions of the Taliban goes unreported, but the collateral damage to people who support these militants is broadcast all over despite the fact that Pakistan was pretty much pressured into fighting them in the first place.

There is simply no way of keeping western media happy.

Well, what about our own media....they are the similar culprits...and need to be kicked...the only diffrence I find between these two is that the Western media is mature and ours is just a collection of "love story" writers...ofcourse with their irresponsible attitude...
 
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I think most of us miss the point with this so-called insurgency. In my view, the government of Pakistan has not used due process against those whom it accuses of being involved in terrorism. Instead, the Government of Pakistan has colluded with the US to carry out bombing raids in its own territory and has therefore shredded the relationship between citizen and state which relies on DUE PROCESS. Collateral damage is totally unacceptable, and is actually criminal when done in your own country to your own people. By bombing and killing even a single innocent civilian, the government of Pakistan has given up any right to judge anyone else from a moral high ground. What the government of Pakistan must do is apprehend those people whom it accuses and bring them to court where they would be tried and found guilty through a just process. That is what the government is supposed to be fighting to uphold, LAW & ORDER.
 
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I think most of us miss the point with this so-called insurgency. In my view, the government of Pakistan has not used due process against those whom it accuses of being involved in terrorism. Instead, the Government of Pakistan has colluded with the US to carry out bombing raids in its own territory and has therefore shredded the relationship between citizen and state which relies on DUE PROCESS. Collateral damage is totally unacceptable, and is actually criminal when done in your own country to your own people. By bombing and killing even a single innocent civilian, the government of Pakistan has given up any right to judge anyone else from a moral high ground. What the government of Pakistan must do is apprehend those people whom it accuses and bring them to court where they would be tried and found guilty through a just process. That is what the government is supposed to be fighting to uphold, LAW & ORDER.

Due Process?!?!

There is a very real and dangerous threat out there and even though there isn't a sense of urgency to deal with it you want to drag it out even more.
 
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I think most of us miss the point with this so-called insurgency. In my view, the government of Pakistan has not used due process against those whom it accuses of being involved in terrorism. Instead, the Government of Pakistan has colluded with the US to carry out bombing raids in its own territory and has therefore shredded the relationship between citizen and state which relies on DUE PROCESS. Collateral damage is totally unacceptable, and is actually criminal when done in your own country to your own people. By bombing and killing even a single innocent civilian, the government of Pakistan has given up any right to judge anyone else from a moral high ground. What the government of Pakistan must do is apprehend those people whom it accuses and bring them to court where they would be tried and found guilty through a just process. That is what the government is supposed to be fighting to uphold, LAW & ORDER.

Due process in pakistan!!! thats a interesting theory.
 
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Due process?

When military personnel tried to approach the Taliban to convince them to lay down arms, they got shot down in cold blood. So how exactly is the GoP supposed to follow "due process"?

How do you arrest hundred of militants attacking a fort with "law enforcers in it" with RPG's and mortars? I think at that point it is pretty clear that it is kill or be killed.
 
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I think its way too easy to get all pumped up with this "bomb them all" attitude, but the reality is that such actions have devastating consequences for the future and if peace is the objective, then this is definitely not the way to go. It is critical that there be no doubt about who has morality on his side and when we decide that we too are willing to kill innocent civilians, we lose any hope of morality. It becomes too easy for those who wish to exploit such circumstances to recruit more people to their causes when the government looks like it is being the oppressive and unfair one...regardless of what the truth really is. These are the very same people who have defended Pakistan during the Soviet invasion and have held our stake in Kashmir on our behalf and they never carried out such attacks against Pakistan before...this is something that has gotten out of hand and the worse way to handle it is through more brute force. Bombings and military operations have a way burying the truth and open and fair trials bring everything out into the light, so that propaganda cannot be used by any side to promote its agenda. We the public should be demanding transparency and due process rather than blood.

For those who are likely to still carry on with the "bomb them all to hell" mentality I would suggest they look at the history of the Palestinian guerilla war against its Zionist occupiers and the brutal butt kicking that the Americans got in Vietnam.....Pakistan is not even a shadow of either of these two so it is wishful thinking that our military will be able to do anything except humiliate itself and make the situation worse.
 
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