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Meet the Arjun: The Tank That Took India 35 Years to Build
Saturday, April 27, 2019
By: National Interest

Source Link: CLICK HERE



  • 3_img127419172209.jpg


The decision to produce an indigenous Indian tank was made in 1972, shortly after the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971.

In the mid-1970s, India began development on a totally new, advanced main battle tank that would satisfy the needs of the country’s Armored Corps. An impressive combination of firepower, armor protection and mobility, the tank was to be India’s first indigenously produced tank—and one of the best in the world. The service date for the tank, known as Arjun, was confidently set for 1985.

Instead, the Arjun suffered a tortuously long development period spanning two centuries. The final result, introduced into the army twenty-six years later than originally planned, is a mess of a tank that not even the Indian Army wants.



The Indian Army’s Armored Corps has been in existence for seventy-four years, tracing its roots to the Second World War, and has fought in every one of India’s wars with neighbor and rival Pakistan. The Corps has across has sixty-three armored regiments (the equivalent of battalions), spread across eight armored and mechanized divisions and another seven armored and mechanized brigades.

The decision to produce an indigenous Indian tank was made in 1972, shortly after the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. In 1974, the state-run Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) was tasked with developing the tank. It was to be a forty-ton vehicle, armed with a 105-millimeter gun. It would be small enough to be strategically mobile, capable of being shuttled on internal lines (roads and railroads) to vital sectors along the long border with Pakistan.

DRDO decided to make the tank, called Arjun, a mostly Indian design. The Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment, part of DRDO, was to design the hull, armor, turret, gun and running gear. The main gun and engine would be imported. Unfortunately, India’s defense-industrial base was nowhere near capable of creating such a vehicle. As if that weren’t enough of an obstacle, India’s world-famous bureaucracy and red-tape machine was another enemy to progress.

Today, the Arjun Mk 1 is a sixty-two-ton tank, complete with a 120-millimeter gun, advanced composite armor, a 1,400-horsepower turbocharged engine, and advanced fire control and thermal sights. Although the tank’s specifications are impressive, the actual product leaves a lot to be desired.

By 2009, thirty-five years after it was originally conceived, Arjun was “ready” for production. Despite shortcomings revealed in testing, the Indian Army was forced to buy 124 Arjuns—enough to equip just two armored regiments—to keep state tank production facilities open. By mid-2015, two years after the purchase was complete, nearly 75 percent of the Arjun force was inoperable due to technical problems.

Arjun’s armored protection evolved significantly over thirty-five years. The tank is fitted with Kanchan armor, a locally designed composite blend that is allegedly similar to British Chobham armor. Kanchan is rumored to be capable of shrugging off point-blank shots from the 125-millimeter gun of Indian T-72 tanks. Arjun is so well protected that its weight ballooned from the original forty-ton specification to sixty-two tons.

This increase in protection came at a cost—decreased tactical and operational mobility. As originally specified, a forty-ton tank with a 1,400-horsepower engine would have an impressive 35-to-1 horsepower-to-weight ratio. Unfortunately, Arjun’s weight ballooned from forty to sixty-two tons, with no corresponding increase in engine power. DRDO finally settled on a German-made MTU 1,400-horsepower water-cooled diesel engine, complemented with an Indian supercharger. Arjun’s horsepower-to-weight ratio sank to a mediocre 22.5 to 1. The vehicle’s weight also means it cannot be used in Punjab and the northern deserts of India in India’s “Cold Start” offensive strategy against Pakistan.

The Arjun’s development period was so long that major design decisions became completely obsolete. The 105-millimeter gun, perfectly adequate in the 1970s when stacked up against the NATO-standard 105-millimeter L7 gun (the M68 in U.S. Army service), and the 115-millimeter gun of the Soviet T-62 tank, were obsolete by the early 1990s.

In the end, the Arjun ended up with a 120-millimeter rifled barrel gun, capable of firing High Explosive, Armor-Piercing Discarding Sabot rounds, High Explosive Anti-Tank rounds and, perhaps not unusually for a former British colony, High Explosive, Squash Head rounds. DRDO conducted test firings of the Israeli-made LAHAT long-range antitank missile, which offered a high probability of kill against armored vehicles out to six thousand meters, but the round was dropped in 2014. DRDO claims it will develop an indigenous equivalent.

How did Arjun, which took decades to develop, end up being such a disappointment? The tank took so long to develop that technologies not even invented when Arjun was first proposed had to be added to the tank. GPS navigation, laser warning receivers, non-explosive-reactive armor and other innovations were merely research papers in 1974, but by the early 2000s were must-have inventions that added to the tank’s complexity, weight and cost.

The inability of DRDO to put its foot down and admit that it could not build the tank on time and on schedule doomed the tank. India’s state of the military art was such that a new tank would out of necessity face a prolonged development time. The more the tank project dragged on, the more the tank needed to be redesigned to incorporate new technologies. The tank was trapped for decades in a development death spiral, and the end product is correspondingly mediocre.

DRDO is busy at work designing Arjun Mk II, which will allegedly contain many improvements over the original Mk I. The Indian Army for its part is adamant it wants no part of the Mk II until prototypes perform satisfactorily, and would much rather buy an overseas tank. The army, for now prefers the Russian T-90 tank and may express interest in the brand new T-14 Armata tank. Russian state media has reported that India is interested in the Armata as the basis of a new, localized tank. Whether that’s true remains to be seen.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/Meet-the-Arjun-The-Tank-That-Took-India-35-Years-to-Build-584377
 
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Meet the Arjun: The Tank That Took India 35 Years to Build
Saturday, April 27, 2019
By: National Interest

Source Link: CLICK HERE



  • 3_img127419172209.jpg


The decision to produce an indigenous Indian tank was made in 1972, shortly after the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971.

In the mid-1970s, India began development on a totally new, advanced main battle tank that would satisfy the needs of the country’s Armored Corps. An impressive combination of firepower, armor protection and mobility, the tank was to be India’s first indigenously produced tank—and one of the best in the world. The service date for the tank, known as Arjun, was confidently set for 1985.

Instead, the Arjun suffered a tortuously long development period spanning two centuries. The final result, introduced into the army twenty-six years later than originally planned, is a mess of a tank that not even the Indian Army wants.



The Indian Army’s Armored Corps has been in existence for seventy-four years, tracing its roots to the Second World War, and has fought in every one of India’s wars with neighbor and rival Pakistan. The Corps has across has sixty-three armored regiments (the equivalent of battalions), spread across eight armored and mechanized divisions and another seven armored and mechanized brigades.

The decision to produce an indigenous Indian tank was made in 1972, shortly after the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. In 1974, the state-run Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) was tasked with developing the tank. It was to be a forty-ton vehicle, armed with a 105-millimeter gun. It would be small enough to be strategically mobile, capable of being shuttled on internal lines (roads and railroads) to vital sectors along the long border with Pakistan.

DRDO decided to make the tank, called Arjun, a mostly Indian design. The Combat Vehicles Research and Development Establishment, part of DRDO, was to design the hull, armor, turret, gun and running gear. The main gun and engine would be imported. Unfortunately, India’s defense-industrial base was nowhere near capable of creating such a vehicle. As if that weren’t enough of an obstacle, India’s world-famous bureaucracy and red-tape machine was another enemy to progress.

Today, the Arjun Mk 1 is a sixty-two-ton tank, complete with a 120-millimeter gun, advanced composite armor, a 1,400-horsepower turbocharged engine, and advanced fire control and thermal sights. Although the tank’s specifications are impressive, the actual product leaves a lot to be desired.

By 2009, thirty-five years after it was originally conceived, Arjun was “ready” for production. Despite shortcomings revealed in testing, the Indian Army was forced to buy 124 Arjuns—enough to equip just two armored regiments—to keep state tank production facilities open. By mid-2015, two years after the purchase was complete, nearly 75 percent of the Arjun force was inoperable due to technical problems.

Arjun’s armored protection evolved significantly over thirty-five years. The tank is fitted with Kanchan armor, a locally designed composite blend that is allegedly similar to British Chobham armor. Kanchan is rumored to be capable of shrugging off point-blank shots from the 125-millimeter gun of Indian T-72 tanks. Arjun is so well protected that its weight ballooned from the original forty-ton specification to sixty-two tons.

This increase in protection came at a cost—decreased tactical and operational mobility. As originally specified, a forty-ton tank with a 1,400-horsepower engine would have an impressive 35-to-1 horsepower-to-weight ratio. Unfortunately, Arjun’s weight ballooned from forty to sixty-two tons, with no corresponding increase in engine power. DRDO finally settled on a German-made MTU 1,400-horsepower water-cooled diesel engine, complemented with an Indian supercharger. Arjun’s horsepower-to-weight ratio sank to a mediocre 22.5 to 1. The vehicle’s weight also means it cannot be used in Punjab and the northern deserts of India in India’s “Cold Start” offensive strategy against Pakistan.

The Arjun’s development period was so long that major design decisions became completely obsolete. The 105-millimeter gun, perfectly adequate in the 1970s when stacked up against the NATO-standard 105-millimeter L7 gun (the M68 in U.S. Army service), and the 115-millimeter gun of the Soviet T-62 tank, were obsolete by the early 1990s.

In the end, the Arjun ended up with a 120-millimeter rifled barrel gun, capable of firing High Explosive, Armor-Piercing Discarding Sabot rounds, High Explosive Anti-Tank rounds and, perhaps not unusually for a former British colony, High Explosive, Squash Head rounds. DRDO conducted test firings of the Israeli-made LAHAT long-range antitank missile, which offered a high probability of kill against armored vehicles out to six thousand meters, but the round was dropped in 2014. DRDO claims it will develop an indigenous equivalent.

How did Arjun, which took decades to develop, end up being such a disappointment? The tank took so long to develop that technologies not even invented when Arjun was first proposed had to be added to the tank. GPS navigation, laser warning receivers, non-explosive-reactive armor and other innovations were merely research papers in 1974, but by the early 2000s were must-have inventions that added to the tank’s complexity, weight and cost.

The inability of DRDO to put its foot down and admit that it could not build the tank on time and on schedule doomed the tank. India’s state of the military art was such that a new tank would out of necessity face a prolonged development time. The more the tank project dragged on, the more the tank needed to be redesigned to incorporate new technologies. The tank was trapped for decades in a development death spiral, and the end product is correspondingly mediocre.

DRDO is busy at work designing Arjun Mk II, which will allegedly contain many improvements over the original Mk I. The Indian Army for its part is adamant it wants no part of the Mk II until prototypes perform satisfactorily, and would much rather buy an overseas tank. The army, for now prefers the Russian T-90 tank and may express interest in the brand new T-14 Armata tank. Russian state media has reported that India is interested in the Armata as the basis of a new, localized tank. Whether that’s true remains to be seen.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/Meet-the-Arjun-The-Tank-That-Took-India-35-Years-to-Build-584377

One of the aspect of delay in scientific development is due to lack of participation of PVT sector in defence industry...On top of that DRDO is not so impressive in R&D of defence equipment..
Forget about tank, if we have to depend on outside country for Rifle that DRDO cam not build for army, then tank is much more difficult for them..
 
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And Old Post from 2011 :

An Interesting Comment ... if u Appreciate Arjun ... ( Yes its a piece of Openion by an Israeli )

#1 Arjun is getting massive Israeli help and NOT 6 as being reported in many places in media, but 8 rolled out recently. There are some Armour and rifling techniques which Isreal has taken from India as they were truly impressive. Other than that a lot of contribution from Israel. NO I CAN NOTprove this right now.


This is what i know after discussing Arjun with a high ranking scientist who is a member of the Foreign defense services board (rough translation from Hebrew) who have worked on Arjun for the last 9 months. I personally witnessed a really cool addition to the recent 8, it employs the exact same copy of the HW and SW as the Abrams self diagnostic system...not only does it tell you when the tank is not feeling well but also tells you which part.

there is also a battle management system deployed....the funniest part was how decked up the CO's Arjun was...the seats are amazing, even the Russian contingent (overpaid pricks) were emotionally moved to see the interior with all the widgets - and went the best capitalist tank (being sarc. and all)

...i think i will be able to SOMEDAY get pictures of the ARJUN M2 and let you folks see what i have seen...it a true comfort to drive that tank
I walk among diffrent circles compared to many out here on the forum and intend to build a reputation where people believe me without much fuss...

as i will not always be able to post links (actually i am too deep into defense to rely on media and links to prove myself). Anyway i am off to a hunting trip organised my some army chaps here in India..will defanately take pictures and post that


#2 You really will have a problem ...say in a desert coming close to this machine. This is a really good machine...the main gun beats the Merkava any day.


Bloody hell the shear energy at extended range in ft.lb delivered with the accuracy is truly astonishing...i personally think this main gun is a accidental find for Indian's. the saboy round penetrated the hull of a t-55 derelict then went through the second one behind it and the place where it pierced the sand dune had a formation of glass crystals around the sand.

I have an idea (to how the Pakistanis can get it)...when the crew falls to sleep driving this beast - due to its crew comfort...you could run to it and shove some tnt between the hull and the chaise

#3 I just saw the interior picture of Al khaled. You have a serious problem here. Is that a prototype or the finished product? I am serious , i really need to know this.

I truly hope that it is not a finished product. If it is, my god " the very Question that arjune is a better tank is a understatement. You have no idea what you have here lads. Even if the idea is a "will get the job done and cheap to produce" Al Khaled can be mass produced is the idea of Pakistani Armour....etc etc....WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING?

Someone here tell me what is the purpose of Al-k...isit supposed to take on the inferior Indian tanks and put the t-80 against the arjun (still crazy - Russian admit it will eat the t-90) ok maybe its a attempt by Pakistan to atleast get hold of technologies to create a tank..etc etc
the nuts and bolts in alkhalid will kill the crew if a HESH round even nicked it. moreso the LR-APFSDS will cut like butter the armour....you guys better get some good reactive armour on this tiny thing. please any experts here..
i really wish to ask some questions on the al-khaled.

#4 Incidentally my father worked on a series of Merkava tanks (yes yes i am a Jew) i too graduated with honors in Armour. but right now in a slightly different objective in India. anyway i agree with you maneuver is imp.

BUT THEN AGAIN in all the discussion i have seen here maneuver is something gone a miss here. i havent driven a al -k but this arjun is as maneuverable as a Abram M2(spent a lot of my time with these tanks) ..no bloody difference, i dont know maybe al-khalid is much better compared to A-M2 in maneuver.


You will outrange it...by what 5000m from a reflexes Chinese copy of soviet projectile...do you think no one here thought of ATGM and countermeasure. This is the classified bit in electronics Israeli gave to Arjun. I am telling you buddy, someone better get serious about countering Arjun...its mere prototype passed direct hits from t-90 AP rounds (new round), it passed fragmented top attack munitions, You want to kill it.

a) you need to get it tracks off
b) in some way get the electronics off
c) hit it at less than 200 m from something like a Milan 3 repeatedly in hopefully the same area or
d)put a huge mine under it (has counter electronic to detect it...direct contribution from what is to be a Merkava 4 system)
e) i would have a serious debate going against this tank on a Merkava 3 and i am honors in armour and spent a few.


I think the brits will be very very interested in the armour these people have developed or even the rednecks....thats the level and quality you are looking at..

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/arjun-mark-ii-an-israeli-view-must-read.95660/
 
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Indian scientists at DRDO know how to milk their government. They have developed a talent to start and finish their carrier on a single project.

It all starts with one little story line; "India is developing state of the art defence equipment..." :drag:
  • It starts by putting down "state of the art" specifications...
  • RFIs are issued across the globe...
  • India considers them all, put everything on the table, who gives what commission, who earns what...
  • After wasting 3-4 years, India decides to develop those systems locally...
  • A decade is spent developing those sub-systems and technologies, which still perform below expectations...
  • A supportive decision is made, let's buy those sub system finally off the shelf, but let's buy the best systems available out there...
  • New sub-systems make some aspects of the project shine, but there is considerable asymmetry... project works for some aspects and lapses for others...
  • Tweaks are applied for another 3-4 years until Government decides to start the next version without finishing the one under development...
  • New set of state of the art specifications are written for the next version...
  • ...
1970
1980
1990
2000
2010
2020
  • ... And India is still developing state of the art equipment! :coffee:
 
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Indian scientists at DRDO know how to milk their government. They have developed a talent to start and finish their carrier on a single project.

It all starts with one little story line; "India is developing state of the art defence equipment..." :drag:
  • It starts by putting down "state of the art" specifications...
  • RFIs are issued across the globe...
  • India considers them all, put everything on the table, who gives what commission, who earns what...
  • After wasting 3-4 years, India decides to develop those systems locally...
  • A decade is spent developing those sub-systems and technologies, which still perform below expectations...
  • A supportive decision is made, let's buy those sub system finally off the shelf, but let's buy the best systems available out there...
  • New sub-systems make some aspects of the project shine, but there is considerable asymmetry... project works for some aspects and lapses for others...
  • Tweaks are applied for another 3-4 years until Government decides to start the next version without finishing the one under development...
  • New set of state of the art specifications are written for the next version...
  • ...
1970
1980
1990
2000
2010
2020
  • ... And India is still developing state of the art equipment! :coffee:

So cute see some one bothering about "milking" when his own nation is PRACTICALLY BANKRUPT. lol.

Regarding Military, Have you ever bothered to calculate the cost of SINGLE... SINGLE MILITARY project taken up by US , USSR and China which are Dumped / Abandoned at a later stage ?

Hint : Combine ALL Indian Projects .. their costs and still many of the "pilot" / "experimental" projects by these nations would have greater money poured.

The Irony being that you still have the audacity to speak with ZERO R & D base in your own country.

Its Like, India telling US that they are wasting money on F35 while we could build Marut in 70s.
 
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Indian scientists at DRDO know how to milk their government. They have developed a talent to start and finish their carrier on a single project.

It all starts with one little story line; "India is developing state of the art defence equipment..." :drag:
  • It starts by putting down "state of the art" specifications...
  • RFIs are issued across the globe...
  • India considers them all, put everything on the table, who gives what commission, who earns what...
  • After wasting 3-4 years, India decides to develop those systems locally...
  • A decade is spent developing those sub-systems and technologies, which still perform below expectations...
  • A supportive decision is made, let's buy those sub system finally off the shelf, but let's buy the best systems available out there...
  • New sub-systems make some aspects of the project shine, but there is considerable asymmetry... project works for some aspects and lapses for others...
  • Tweaks are applied for another 3-4 years until Government decides to start the next version without finishing the one under development...
  • New set of state of the art specifications are written for the next version...
  • ...
1970
1980
1990
2000
2010
2020
  • ... And India is still developing state of the art equipment! :coffee:
Loool This is actually true. Indian projects suffer a lot due to poor project management. But overall I feel like things are improving and we are getting things done.
 
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So cute see some one bothering about "milking" when his own nation is PRACTICALLY BANKRUPT. lol.

Regarding Military, Have you ever bothered to calculate the cost of SINGLE... SINGLE MILITARY project taken up by US , USSR and China which are Dumped / Abandoned at a later stage ?

Hint : Combine ALL Indian Projects .. their costs and still many of the "pilot" / "experimental" projects by these nations would have greater money poured.

The Irony being that you still have the audacity to speak with ZERO R & D base in your own country.

Its Like, India telling US that they are wasting money on F35 while we could build Marut in 70s.

Can you name the failed Indian projects?
 
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Indian defence planners inducted 125mm and 120mm together. Who thought that would be a bright idea.
 
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DRDO should hire independent project managers who should have the powers to hire and fire to keep the projects on track.. Even if Arjun cannot be used on Punjab regions, it still can be used in deserts... So I am not sure even after it has beaten T90 in comparative trials what more the IA needs?!
 
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And Old Post from 2011 :

An Interesting Comment ... if u Appreciate Arjun ... ( Yes its a piece of Openion by an Israeli )

#1 Arjun is getting massive Israeli help and NOT 6 as being reported in many places in media, but 8 rolled out recently. There are some Armour and rifling techniques which Isreal has taken from India as they were truly impressive. Other than that a lot of contribution from Israel. NO I CAN NOTprove this right now.


This is what i know after discussing Arjun with a high ranking scientist who is a member of the Foreign defense services board (rough translation from Hebrew) who have worked on Arjun for the last 9 months. I personally witnessed a really cool addition to the recent 8, it employs the exact same copy of the HW and SW as the Abrams self diagnostic system...not only does it tell you when the tank is not feeling well but also tells you which part.

there is also a battle management system deployed....the funniest part was how decked up the CO's Arjun was...the seats are amazing, even the Russian contingent (overpaid pricks) were emotionally moved to see the interior with all the widgets - and went the best capitalist tank (being sarc. and all)

...i think i will be able to SOMEDAY get pictures of the ARJUN M2 and let you folks see what i have seen...it a true comfort to drive that tank
I walk among diffrent circles compared to many out here on the forum and intend to build a reputation where people believe me without much fuss...

as i will not always be able to post links (actually i am too deep into defense to rely on media and links to prove myself). Anyway i am off to a hunting trip organised my some army chaps here in India..will defanately take pictures and post that


#2 You really will have a problem ...say in a desert coming close to this machine. This is a really good machine...the main gun beats the Merkava any day.


Bloody hell the shear energy at extended range in ft.lb delivered with the accuracy is truly astonishing...i personally think this main gun is a accidental find for Indian's. the saboy round penetrated the hull of a t-55 derelict then went through the second one behind it and the place where it pierced the sand dune had a formation of glass crystals around the sand.

I have an idea (to how the Pakistanis can get it)...when the crew falls to sleep driving this beast - due to its crew comfort...you could run to it and shove some tnt between the hull and the chaise

#3 I just saw the interior picture of Al khaled. You have a serious problem here. Is that a prototype or the finished product? I am serious , i really need to know this.

I truly hope that it is not a finished product. If it is, my god " the very Question that arjune is a better tank is a understatement. You have no idea what you have here lads. Even if the idea is a "will get the job done and cheap to produce" Al Khaled can be mass produced is the idea of Pakistani Armour....etc etc....WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING?

Someone here tell me what is the purpose of Al-k...isit supposed to take on the inferior Indian tanks and put the t-80 against the arjun (still crazy - Russian admit it will eat the t-90) ok maybe its a attempt by Pakistan to atleast get hold of technologies to create a tank..etc etc
the nuts and bolts in alkhalid will kill the crew if a HESH round even nicked it. moreso the LR-APFSDS will cut like butter the armour....you guys better get some good reactive armour on this tiny thing. please any experts here..
i really wish to ask some questions on the al-khaled.

#4 Incidentally my father worked on a series of Merkava tanks (yes yes i am a Jew) i too graduated with honors in Armour. but right now in a slightly different objective in India. anyway i agree with you maneuver is imp.

BUT THEN AGAIN in all the discussion i have seen here maneuver is something gone a miss here. i havent driven a al -k but this arjun is as maneuverable as a Abram M2(spent a lot of my time with these tanks) ..no bloody difference, i dont know maybe al-khalid is much better compared to A-M2 in maneuver.


You will outrange it...by what 5000m from a reflexes Chinese copy of soviet projectile...do you think no one here thought of ATGM and countermeasure. This is the classified bit in electronics Israeli gave to Arjun. I am telling you buddy, someone better get serious about countering Arjun...its mere prototype passed direct hits from t-90 AP rounds (new round), it passed fragmented top attack munitions, You want to kill it.

a) you need to get it tracks off
b) in some way get the electronics off
c) hit it at less than 200 m from something like a Milan 3 repeatedly in hopefully the same area or
d)put a huge mine under it (has counter electronic to detect it...direct contribution from what is to be a Merkava 4 system)
e) i would have a serious debate going against this tank on a Merkava 3 and i am honors in armour and spent a few.


I think the brits will be very very interested in the armour these people have developed or even the rednecks....thats the level and quality you are looking at..

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/arjun-mark-ii-an-israeli-view-must-read.95660/
off to rest room
 
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It's still being built upon guys....come on.....35 years!? Dayum....here we're aiming for at least a 50 or a century!

That's right!! By the time I'm dead (or should be, according to the lifespan estimates of country I live in), this project will still be going on.....I say that's a world record!

Now only if that tank was to combat tested....well that'll be another half a century then!

jk....this is all a joke :D....pls no angry muffins, ok?




or is it a joke? :lol:

Indian army and there military projects remind me of this movie

Wow....just wow....that trailer had me laughing lol...even tho it's a pre-2000 movie...I'm gonna watch it! :enjoy:
 
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Indian scientists at DRDO know how to milk their government. They have developed a talent to start and finish their carrier on a single project.

It all starts with one little story line; "India is developing state of the art defence equipment..." :drag:
  • It starts by putting down "state of the art" specifications...
  • RFIs are issued across the globe...
  • India considers them all, put everything on the table, who gives what commission, who earns what...
  • After wasting 3-4 years, India decides to develop those systems locally...
  • A decade is spent developing those sub-systems and technologies, which still perform below expectations...
  • A supportive decision is made, let's buy those sub system finally off the shelf, but let's buy the best systems available out there...
  • New sub-systems make some aspects of the project shine, but there is considerable asymmetry... project works for some aspects and lapses for others...
  • Tweaks are applied for another 3-4 years until Government decides to start the next version without finishing the one under development...
  • New set of state of the art specifications are written for the next version...
  • ...
1970
1980
1990
2000
2010
2020
  • ... And India is still developing state of the art equipment! :coffee:
When you pull in pvt sector companies, the time lines and delivery schedule improves more like the delivery of K9 vajra was improved by 2 months, We have successful projects as well which no likes to share, our nukes, ABM, BM's, ASAT, or nuclear submarines, Our rockets and satellites, what about them? the problem is corruption and our mindset, its got nothing to do with our intelligence and work ethics, Private sector companies are booming because they want to see results and govt agencies are not bothered about when the results are achieved ...
 
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