Mechanised Divisions Pakistan Army

[Raja Porus]

In the first picture, does the cage serve to sand bags as additional protection or just to carry supplies.

In this picture it's being used to carry sand bags.

 

[iLION12345_1]

In the first picture, does the cage serve to sand bags as additional protection or just to carry supplies.
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In this picture it's being used to carry sand bags.

Can be used for carrying stuff too but in these cases, protection. M113 cannot stop HMG rounds (12.7) from the side. Only upto 7.62MM. So heavier sniper and HMG bullets remain a threat, hence the sandbags. Keep in mind sandbags are extremely effective at stopping bullets so even just one sandbag there is going to stop any small arms ammo, it’s obviously not ideal but it’s definitely an upgrade. In PA the other versions of M113 (Saad) have increased armor at the sides too to help with this, and the VCC variants even mount ERA in some cases for further increased protection.

At the end of the day all of this is less ideal than actual Modern APCs, but any benefit is better than none, especially considering the BMPs used by the adversary’s dont fare better in this regard.

 

[Raja Porus]

PA doesn't like to use side skirts in exercises perhaps.

Commander Bahawalpur Corps Visits Bridge Company at Asrani


The Commander visited the Bridge Training Area, where he was welcomed by GOC Mechanized Division. He was also briefed about the conduct of bridge training being conducted as part of operational readiness cycle.

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The 2nd set of images is of the time when Sher Afgun was the corps commander thus must be of before 2018.
Also it seems that 26 mech has AK-1, AK, as well as Type-85II.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Can be used for carrying stuff too but in these cases, protection. M113 cannot stop HMG rounds (12.7) from the side. Only upto 7.62MM. So heavier sniper and HMG bullets remain a threat, hence the sandbags. Keep in mind sandbags are extremely effective at stopping bullets so even just one sandbag there is going to stop any small arms ammo, it’s obviously not ideal but it’s definitely an upgrade. In PA the other versions of M113 (Saad) have increased armor at the sides too to help with this, and the VCC variants even mount ERA in some cases for further increased protection.

At the end of the day all of this is less ideal than actual Modern APCs, but any benefit is better than none, especially considering the BMPs used by the adversary’s dont fare better in this regard.

M113 can stop 12.7 mm rounds from all sides.

Sandbags are mainly there to protect the crew compartment from RPG and SPG 9 rounds by decreasing their effectiveness.

 

[MilSpec]

M113 can stop 12.7 mm rounds from all sides.

Sandbags are mainly there to protect the crew compartment from RPG and SPG 9 rounds by decreasing their effectiveness.

M113, A1 and A2 variants, Which is the bulk of your fleet are rated for protection againt 7.62x51 and shell fragmentation.

Even The M113A3 was designed to provide protection against a standard 7.62mm threat.

The M113’s minimal armor offered protection against small arms and artillery fragmentation but not against hits from weapons of 14.5mm and higher. Although appliqué armor could be applied, it never became standard issue.

 

[PanzerKiel]

M113, A1 and A2 variants, Which is the bulk of your fleet are rated for protection againt 7.62x51 and shell fragmentation.

Even The M113A3 was designed to provide protection against a standard 7.62mm threat.

The M113’s minimal armor offered protection against small arms and artillery fragmentation but not against hits from weapons of 14.5mm and higher. Although appliqué armor could be applied, it never became standard issue.

Of course, 14.5 would be an issue.

I said about 12.7 mm, they all are rated for against these calibers. M113 can protect itself against 12.7 mm. It had been a norm for them to get hit from 12.7 mm weapons of terrorists, but they're has not been one instance in which they have been even disabled by 12.7 weapons.

12.7 mm weapons are available with normal infantry units on both sides. No one would like to induct a platform giving protection against 7.62 only.

 

[Signalian]

In the first picture, does the cage serve to sand bags as additional protection or just to carry supplies.
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In this picture it's being used to carry sand bags.

Is that a LMG on mount ?

In the first picture, does the cage serve to sand bags as additional protection or just to carry supplies.
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In this picture it's being used to carry sand bags.

Considering this a COIN Ops, supplies shouldn't be an issue. Added protection is a requirement. Have you seen cages installed around Stryker or M-113 serving in Iraq and Afghanistan ? same solution.

 

[MilSpec]

Of course, 14.5 would be an issue.

I said about 12.7 mm, they all are rated for against these calibers. M113 can protect itself against 12.7 mm. It had been a norm for them to get hit from 12.7 mm weapons of terrorists, but they're has not been one instance in which they have been even disabled by 12.7 weapons.

12.7 mm weapons are available with normal infantry units on both sides. No one would like to induct a platform giving protection against 7.62 only.

COL William T. Nuckols Jr. and Dr. Robert S. Cameron

https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/eARMOR/content/issues/2016/JAN_MAR/1Nuckols-Cameron16.pdf

United States General Accounting Office Report to Congressional Committees

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[PanzerKiel]

COL William T. Nuckols Jr. and Dr. Robert S. Cameron
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https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/eARMOR/content/issues/2016/JAN_MAR/1Nuckols-Cameron16.pdf

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Again, I'll repeat, I did not talk about 14.5. I'm talking about 12.7.

 

[iLION12345_1]

COL William T. Nuckols Jr. and Dr. Robert S. Cameron
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https://www.benning.army.mil/armor/eARMOR/content/issues/2016/JAN_MAR/1Nuckols-Cameron16.pdf

United States General Accounting Office Report to Congressional Committees

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Panzerkiel is also correct, because of the many thousands of the M113s in service with the PA, more than half are Talha, Saad or VCC variants which Do have protection from 12.7mm, they have been up-armored (the local ones with thicker armor in general and the Italian ones with add on armor and ERA).
Whereas the regular M113 that were bought from America are only rated for 7.62MM at the sides, it has been noted in actual combat they can usually stop 12.7MM (thank angles for the reason!), but the added side armor as sandbags is there for this reason on these base M113s, to ensure nothing gets through.

Is that a LMG on mount ?

Considering this a COIN Ops, supplies shouldn't be an issue. Added protection is a requirement. Have you seen cages installed around Stryker or M-113 serving in Iraq and Afghanistan ? same solution.

Yep, MG3 on the mount.

 

[Raja Porus]

Yep, perhaps for higher rate of fire, more ammo and easier rotation.

Is that a LMG on mount ?

 

[Signalian]

Yep, perhaps for higher rate of fire, more ammo and easier rotation.

perhaps avoid collateral damage.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Yep, perhaps for higher rate of fire, more ammo and easier rotation.

MG3 is used on M113 once army is deployed in cities on IS duties in order to avoid more damage.....12.7 mm AA HMG can play havoc inside a city,

 

[Raja Porus]

 

[Signalian]

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Formation sign wasnt covered.