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McChrystal's Unclassified Afghan Assessment

Summarizes the perspectives that he and his staff have developed since taking command. Sober reading. Many of the problems have no taken on an endemic character given that we've been listening to them for nearly eight years.

Seems that there's excellent recognition of the issues but little insight to the solutions. Of grave concern to me is how to empower the afghan governmental institutions without turning them into battlefields or mouthpieces to Karzai's party politics. Those institutions must be more enduring and rise above the day-to-day back n' forth. I'm unsure that can be accomplished given the level of political maturity displayed to date.
 
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Please read the report in full and draw your own conclusions. I'm at pg. 2-14 now. It takes a bit. Themes are emerging in the report. Some are surprising, much is not. The issue is immensely complex when laid out coherantly and in the full gory details.

One point strikes me to date in my reading- Afghan trust in our long-term presence is critical to overall success. We counsel patience as part of our long-term perspective. Good enough as there are more issues than solutions to date.

The problem here is that McChrystal has formalized what many have been saying over the last six months- a re-assessment of progress about one year down the road MUST show improvement...

...or, what, exactly? Withdrawal? If withdrawal represents a near-term option should our re-assessment not offer the requisite signs of "progress" is it any wonder that the afghans may sit the next year out to see how matters shake themselves down? Generally, those that are sitting on the fence would likely remain so.

Those are my thoughts to date. I've found few flaws of significance in assessing matters and concur with the findings so far. We'll see how it goes. The document is rather extensive so there's much here to cover.

Thanks.:usflag:
 
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In my opinion, of all the various choices / scenarios, many or most would work out more or less fairly except for one. That would be a long term presence.

A long term presence would prove disastrous no matter what brand of signs are used to gauge success. The more this war drags on, positively or negatively, the more the expense of men, material and patience. On all the sides. The rugged land devoid of any infrastructure will see to a painful war of attrition.

Therefore, though an exact time frame for an exit strategy would not be possible or wise to plan or assess at this moment, BUT, a foresight for such will make life much more easier for the military planners as well as the politicians. Not to speak of the many countless soldiers.

I have gone through it only quickly but I was disappointed by a lack of emphasis on any such vision.

I am afraid, this will not bode well for the military or the politicians. The losses will only continue to add up to an already long list while no plans to end this Theater exist.

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I therefore would be very much interested if someone highlighted this aspect in particular in further posts. Let us see what points of view the guys here hold.​


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Well, I forsee the U.S. will either continue to send troops to Afghanistan and bankrupt itself or it will make major concessions to China/Russia for support.

Oh, I guess it could also pull another Vietnam. Karzai's government would not last half a second without American support (If it can even be considered functioning right now).
 
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More troops or Afghan war lost: U.S. commander
By Peter Graff and Golnar Motevalli
KABUL (Reuters) - The Afghan war will be lost unless more troops are sent to pursue a radically revised strategy, the top U.S. and NATO commander said in a confidential assessment that lays out stark choices for President Barack Obama.
In the assessment, sent to Washington last month and leaked on Monday, Army General Stanley McChrystal said failure to reverse "insurgent momentum" in the near term risked an outcome where "defeating the insurgency is no longer possible."
A copy of the 66-page document was obtained by the Washington Post and published on its website with some parts removed at the request of the government for security reasons.
"Resources will not win this war, but under-resourcing could lose it," McChrystal wrote.
"Failure to provide adequate resources also risks a longer conflict, greater casualties, higher overall costs and ultimately, a critical loss of political support. Any of these risks, in turn, are likely to result in mission failure."
McChrystal, who commands more than 100,000 Western troops, two thirds of them American, has drafted a separate request spelling out how many more he needs but has not sent it to the Pentagon, which says it is considering how he should submit it.
Opinion polls show Americans and their European NATO allies turning against the nearly eight-year-old war.
A request for more troops faces resistance from within Obama's Democratic Party, which controls Congress, but refusing to give McChrystal what he wants would open Obama to criticism from Republicans who say he should act quickly.
In a series of interviews on Sunday Obama said he would not rush to a decision and wanted to first review his strategy for the region before considering whether to send more troops.
"I just want to make sure that everybody understands that you don't make decisions about resources before you have the strategy ready," he told ABC.
Obama does not even expect a request for more troops for "a little bit, because there's an assessment ongoing of where we are right now," spokesman Robert Gibbs added on Monday. "The president is going to focus on getting the strategy right."
McChrystal's spokesman, Lieutenant-Colonel Tadd Sholtis, said that while McChrystal does not believe he can defeat Afghanistan's insurgency without more troops, he could carry out a mission with different goals if Obama ordered it.
"The assessment is based on his understanding of the mission as it was presented to him. If there's a change in strategy, then the resources piece changes," he said. He said McChrystal had no intention of resigning if Obama denies his request.
GRIM PICTURE
In his assessment, McChrystal painted a grim picture of the war so far, saying "the overall situation is deteriorating."
He called for a "revolutionary" shift putting more emphasis on protecting Afghans than on killing insurgents.
"Our objective must be the population," he wrote. "The objective is the will of the people, our conventional warfare culture is part of the problem. The Afghans must ultimately defeat the insurgency."
In a methodical critique of the war's conduct over the past eight years, he said NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) troops often lacked basic understanding of Afghan society. He also strongly criticized the Afghan government as having lost the faith of the country's people.
"The weakness of state institutions, malign actions of power-brokers, widespread corruption and abuse of power by various officials, and ISAF's own errors, have given Afghans little reason to support their government," McChrystal said.
Among the failures: Afghan prisons had been allowed to become sanctuaries where al Qaeda and Taliban fighters recruit more followers and plan attacks.
Even the West's multibillion dollar development aid programs came in for blunt criticism: "Too often these projects enrich power brokers, corrupt officials or international contractors and serve only limited segments of the population."
In the weeks since the assessment was written, Afghanistan has held a disputed election, which makes it more difficult to persuade Western countries to send additional troops.
European allies, whose governments support the war often over public opposition at home, have begun openly wavering.
Britain has suffered its worst combat casualties in a generation, German troops called in an air strike that killed scores of people, and last week six Italian soldiers were killed by a bomb, all events that sapped European support for the war.
Thousands of Italians packed the streets of Rome on Monday for a state funeral for the soldiers, amid mounting calls for Italy to pull its troops out.
Tim Ripley, a British analyst for Jane's Defense Weekly, told Reuters fixing the war effort would be a problem far more complicated than even that faced by U.S. commanders in Iraq.
"Think of all the parts. You've got America, the president, Congress, the Pentagon. You've got the Afghan government and security forces. NATO: all the different countries. Pakistan. And that's just the people who are supposed to be on our side."
"It's one thing coming up with a smart plan. It's another thing having the ability to put it into practice. Is it beyond the reach of one individual to pull it all together?" (Additional reporting by JoAnne Allen and Andrew Gray and in Washington, and Deepa Babington in Rome, editing by Philip Barbara)
More troops or Afghan war lost: U.S. commander - Yahoo! Canada News
 
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well the usa will just run dry every bit of its energy in order to maintain its hegemonic and invincible images to deter all its so claim''evil forces'' that are going to harm usa interest groups which are having their interests existing in chaotic but still controllable regions........
 
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One solution for USA

Seal Afghanistan form all sides (put fence) let no drug going out and no weapon coming in and with in few years its enemies will have no money to pay to hired guns and no weapon to fight with.

Make great wall of Afghanistan on its boarders else keep on fighting for ever.
 
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Of grave concern to me is how to empower the afghan governmental institutions without turning them into battlefields or mouthpieces to Karzai's party politics.

stop the deaths of innocent afghans, understand afghan people and making sure people get food, water and electricity.

infact, the one things that americans ahve liberated the afghans from is exactly that, food, water electricity and LIFE.
 
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"stop the deaths of innocent afghans..."

Please quit ranting incoherancies. You conveniently pass over the salient FACTS that the taliban have killed the majority of afghans-often by targeted intent. Other times they've sheltered behind them- human shields. Then they intimidate. Schoolgirls attacked with acid?

Get off your self-righteous, sanctimonious high horse.

"...understand afghan people..."

As though you do or even afghans? I doubt highly there's much understanding (nor desire) to know about the tajiks, turkomen, hazara, and uzbeks of Afghanistan. At least not in Pakistan. All you've concerned yourselves with are the interests of Pashtuns.

That's a BIG part of the problem. Were Pakistan/ISI to have cared more for the interests of tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras, and turkomen in 1992, there's a far higher liklihood that the taliban may never have arisen. So much for the equanimity of your mentoring hand.

"...and making sure people get food, water and electricity."

Was that what Pakistan was doing when it was supplying Hekmatyar with all the artillery ammunition he needed to bombard Kabul? When Afghanistan finally gets all the food, water, and electricity it needs, btw, that'll be the FIRST time.

More sanctimonious crap.

Quit pontificating from your fourth point of contact and READ THE REPORT.
 
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"stop the deaths of innocent afghans..."

Please quit ranting incoherancies. You conveniently pass over the salient FACTS that the taliban have killed the majority of afghans-often by targeted intent. Other times they've sheltered behind them- human shields. Then they intimidate. Schoolgirls attacked with acid?

Get off your self-righteous, sanctimonious high horse.

"...understand afghan people..."

As though you do or even afghans? I doubt highly there's much understanding (nor desire) to know about the tajiks, turkomen, hazara, and uzbeks of Afghanistan. At least not in Pakistan. All you've concerned yourselves with are the interests of Pashtuns.

That's a BIG part of the problem. Were Pakistan/ISI to have cared more for the interests of tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras, and turkomen in 1992, there's a far higher liklihood that the taliban may never have arisen. So much for the equanimity of your mentoring hand.

"...and making sure people get food, water and electricity."

Was that what Pakistan was doing when it was supplying Hekmatyar with all the artillery ammunition he needed to bombard Kabul? When Afghanistan finally gets all the food, water, and electricity it needs, btw, that'll be the FIRST time.

More sanctimonious crap.

Quit pontificating from your fourth point of contact and READ THE REPORT.

S-2 in spare time do watch the movie "Charlie Wilson War" and see the ending were he wanted to do a lot more after the USSR defeat but USA pack up and left Pakistan to take things in its own hand. :coffee:


Defense Secretary Robert Gates said
Pakistani mistrust over U.S. intentions has "some legitimacy" since the United States has turned away from that country twice in the last three decades, and it will take time to win their confidence.
 
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"Pakistani mistrust over U.S. intentions has "some legitimacy" since the United States has turned away from that country twice in the last three decades, and it will take time to win their confidence."

I see this differently than the good secretary. America had no significant presence nor interests in the region prior to 1979. Peripheral, at best. Our interests between 1979-1990 was securing Pakistan and denying the Soviet Union a warm water access while making their ambitions in Afghanistan as expensive as possible. Thus an opportunity and obligation derived from the circumstances of the moment.

Following such in 1990 and given the historical enmity displayed to foreigners, most notably in the immediate past to the Soviet Union, would you not have screamed about our neo-colonialist ambitions for Afghanistan?

Quite likely as our direct role in the affairs of Afghanistan would have very uncomfortable to the ISI's direct role in such. I'm uncertain that they'd have been in harmony particularly given the political trajectory we were on with Pakistan in the early 90s. Not a good one.

Finally, it's a pleasant giggle every time I hear or read this argument about us remaining in a place to which we had no enduring and abiding interests after a brief intersection of opportunity and need. Makes no sense when viewed in proper context.

What's equally funny are the number here, though, eager to see us now LEAVE Afghanistan, as though they've some better plan. The sad fact of the matter is that our government can't leave until the Afghan gov't is sufficiently strong to withstand the predatory behavior of the Pakistani gov't.

That may take forever.
 
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"stop the deaths of innocent afghans..."

Please quit ranting incoherancies. You conveniently pass over the salient FACTS that the taliban have killed the majority of afghans-often by targeted intent. Other times they've sheltered behind them- human shields. Then they intimidate. Schoolgirls attacked with acid?

Get off your self-righteous, sanctimonious high horse.

"...understand afghan people..."

As though you do or even afghans? I doubt highly there's much understanding (nor desire) to know about the tajiks, turkomen, hazara, and uzbeks of Afghanistan. At least not in Pakistan. All you've concerned yourselves with are the interests of Pashtuns.

That's a BIG part of the problem. Were Pakistan/ISI to have cared more for the interests of tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras, and turkomen in 1992, there's a far higher liklihood that the taliban may never have arisen. So much for the equanimity of your mentoring hand.

"...and making sure people get food, water and electricity."

Was that what Pakistan was doing when it was supplying Hekmatyar with all the artillery ammunition he needed to bombard Kabul? When Afghanistan finally gets all the food, water, and electricity it needs, btw, that'll be the FIRST time.

More sanctimonious crap.

Quit pontificating from your fourth point of contact and READ THE REPORT.



the deaths of thousands (never mind the horrific injuries) of innocents is sanctimonious crap to you? - you do nothing to dispel stereotypes, what an awful attitude you have towards human life, or is it just non-western people? (dont answer that)

Mod EDIT: No personal attacks.
 
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Biggest problem is as i see it is that where is money and weapons are coming to Taliban?Ahmm ok lets assume that they are getting money from drugs or GCC but from where the hell they get their weapons from so easily and their maker? :what:

There can only be some outside authoritative forces who can help Taliban but if Pakistan is helping too than how US may not know,they aint stupid,US got alot of clout over PK so US can easily stop aiding PK if thats the case. :blink:


U.S. says Pakistan, Iran helping Taliban -- latimes.com
 
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One solution for USA

Seal Afghanistan form all sides (put fence) let no drug going out and no weapon coming in and with in few years its enemies will have no money to pay to hired guns and no weapon to fight with.

Make great wall of Afghanistan on its boarders else keep on fighting for ever.
isnt it funny we pakistanis didnt think of all this when we were interfering with afghanistan 'nd kept making things worse for them? 'nd now when they 're in need we shud isolate them completely? i as a pakistani feel very guilty for what my government has done to afghanistan 'nd i aint that scared or emotionless to let my government destroy them 'nd us isolate them. lets first make up for our mistakes/sins 'nd then think of fencing borders
 
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