MC-21 from Russia Shows Why Russia is a Major Contender in Aviation

[Bilal9]

look at this
Net orders, produced, and deliveries[141][142]

Year	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020	Total
Net orders	30	0	0	0	15	0	22	0	2	13	58	28	28	106	24	59[143]	385
Produced	—​		1	3	1	2	5	12	24	36	18	19	33	24	18	11	207
Deliveries	—​						5	8	14	27	21	21	25	28	6	12	167

the number of delivered reduced after 2018
Russia have problem sourcing component for the aircraft and also every body who bought it have problem with maintenance

A National Disappointment: What Went Wrong With the Sukhoi Superjet 100 - The Moscow Times

Opinion | On the night of May 5, a Sukhoi Superjet 100 operated by Russia’s national carrier Aeroflot took off from Moscow heading for Murmansk, only to return to the airport about 30 minutes later, where it made a hard emergency landing with full fuel tanks, which caused a fire that claimed the...

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Part of the problem with the SSJ-100 were that the current engines were manufactured in JV with SNECMA, which was designed after the CFM-56 (smaller version) which powers the B737. When SNECMA cut off parts supply, Russians suffered.

That is why they decided to develop their own engine, the Progress PD-8, which will be presented next year and fitted to the new SSJ-100.

After the great success of the Sukhoi SuperJet .......




Oh wait.

There is nothing wrong with the design of the plane.

The JV engine was part French and the French (SNECMA) cut off spares supply.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Part of the problem with the SSJ-100 were that the current engines were manufactured in JV with SNECMA, which was designed after the CFM-56 (smaller version) which powers the B737. When SNECMA cut off parts supply, Russians suffered.

That is why they decided to develop their own engine, the Progress PD-8, which will be presented next year and fitted to the new SSJ-100.

Russian engines aren't known to be reliable/easy maintenance to compete with Boeing/Airbus. But I guess they will have to start somewhere.

 

[Bilal9]

Russian engines aren't known to be reliable/easy maintenance to compete with Boeing/Airbus. But I guess they will have to start somewhere.

That is conventional wisdom from a decade or so ago.

Modern Russian engines are vastly different and are far more reliable. Once you read about it, you will realize.

Russians specialize in Titanium metallurgy (they have a large portion of global reserves) and have historically led with cutting edge engine fan blade manufacture e.g. making molded blades from softened Titanium in one rapid impact action, rather than machining a solid block as done in the West.

Aviadvigatel PD-14 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[VCheng]

They are not trying to be anything major globally, just import substitution is fine for now. Two-bit is a strong word. Judge the company without bias. Just because they are in Russia takes nothing away from their quality.

Given the state of Russian engines and avionics by comparison, and the relative lack of an extensive service support structure, the most I can do is four-bit.

 

[Skull and Bones]

That is conventional wisdom from a decade or so ago.

Modern Russian engines are vastly different. Once you read about it, you will realize.

Aviadvigatel PD-14 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I would rather see the market adaptation the engine rather than just looking at the spec sheet to believe in its reliability.

 

[VCheng]

There is nothing wrong with the design of the plane.

And yet it was never the commercial success it was hoped to be, not by a long shot.

 

[Bilal9]

And yet it was never the commercial success it was hoped to be, not by a long shot.

Like I said, no one in Russia "hoped" that the airplane would become a rip-roaring success.

The only objective was to have a viable alternative to the imported airliners.

 

[epebble]

There is a good MBA case study on Indigo and SpiceJet in Indian business school. Both being in the budget airline category, Indigo makes much higher profit than SpiceJet. Once of the argument was Indigo has its entire fleet based on Airbus, while SpiceJet has a mix of Airbus/Boeing/Others, hence increasing its maintenance cost, and pilot/support staff training.

Secret behind Southwest's consistent profitability while the Big Three swing with business cycles. All B737 fleet allows them to run the company line a Bus line. They are so standardized that many of their jobs are also interchangeable in a pinch.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Secret behind Southwest's consistent profitability while the Big Three swing with business cycles. All B737 fleet allows them to run the company line a Bus line. They are so standardized that many of their jobs are also interchangeable in a pinch.

Absolutely, I mentioned the very point as my starting argument. Its near impossible to break Airbus/Boeing duopoly.

 

[VCheng]

Like I said, no one in Russia "hoped" that the airplane would become a rip-roaring success.

The only objective was to have a viable alternative to the imported airliners.

Then why create the pseudo-Westernized versions except for marketing attempts, and then tour other countries, up to that last crash in Indonesia? The Russofied version may be for the internal market only, of course.

 

[TruthHurtz]

Many people don't understand that the reason many Russian and Chinese airliners source foreign parts isn't necessarily a lack of capability to make those parts, but to fast-track the certification process so they can fly internationally without special approval. This can even apply to components as simple as airplane wheels. Building Russified or Sinofied production lines for these jets is no problem, but flying them regularly over pernickety countries like Germany will not be trivial like it is for Airbus or Boeing jets.

 

[topsail]

Nice plane. However politics plays a big role in securing aircraft orders. As things stand at the moment not too many airlines outside of Russia and her friends will be lining up to buy these beautiful aircraft.

 

[Bilal9]

Then why create the pseudo-Westernized versions except for marketing attempts, and then tour other countries, up to that last crash in Indonesia? The Russofied version may be for the internal market only, of course.

Trying to sell overseas is just lip service in some manner of speaking, that makes the party stalwarts in the Kremlin look good. Most Russians know their aerospace products (esp. regional jets) are for use in Russia and Eastern Europe.

In any case, it is clear that some of you have very little information about the recent advances in Russian aerospace and aviation. Russians nowadays are not very keen on putting out stories on these, except for internal consumption. We should never judge something without having enough information.

Some guy was saying Russians don't make any of their avionics.

Well here is the motherlode. Seems these websites are blocked because of treasury dept. sanctions. Maybe folks in Pakistan will have better luck.

Concern Radio-Electronic Technologies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bilal9]

After covid, the low passenger turnout killed many prospective aircraft programs, even in a country like Japan.

Mitsubishi SpaceJet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This was really sad. Only a country like China with robust local passenger population can support new airliner programs.

Then why create the pseudo-Westernized versions except for marketing attempts, and then tour other countries, up to that last crash in Indonesia? The Russofied version may be for the internal market only, of course.

The crash in Indonesia was 100% due to pilot error who was distracted talking to a customer. He ignored multiple warnings as evidenced by the black box recording.

 

[Turingsage]

Bilal9 should make every effort to get Biman Air to scrap western junk and buy these MC-21 planes immediately since Bangladesh is now the superpower in South Asia.