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Taliban in Pakistan Targeting U.S. Troops

By NICK SCHIFRIN, March 18, 2009
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Three of the most dangerous Taliban leaders in Pakistan, once arch-enemies, have formed an alliance that could threaten thousands of American troops set to arrive across the border in Afghanistan this year, according to an exclusive interview with one of the commanders.

Maulvi Nazir, one of the leaders of the newly established Council of the Mujahedeen Union, said U.S. troops in Afghanistan were "absolutely" the group's target. "We have readied suicide bombers for them, they cannot escape us," he said in the interview, sitting in front of the mountains that separate Pakistan and Afghanistan, a black turban wrapped around his head. "We, Baitullah, Hafiz Gul Bahadur [the third commander] and all our friends reached the conclusion that organizations have created mistrust and discrimination among us -- the CIA, Mossad, and especially Pakistani organizations," he told an ABC News cameraman, referring to the American, Israeli, and Pakistani spy agencies. "All these divisions, cracks and mistrust were created by the enemy. Baitullah, Hafiz Gul Bahadur and I understood this and reached this conclusion and put all differences aside and united against the enemy."

"These networks have been allowed to operate," says Samina Ahmed, the Pakistan country director for the International Crisis Group. "They have fought with the government and the government security agencies. And yet we see after all these years, not only are their networks intact, they can forge open alliances, and declare war on Afghanistan and American troops -- from Pakistani territory."

Nazir did not mention Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban in Afghanistan, during the interview. But one-page announcements distributed in mosques across North and South Waziristan have mentioned him, likely indicating that the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban have never been more united against a common enemy.

Nazir and Bahadur lead fighters from the Wazir tribe in South and North Waziristan, respectively, and much of their animosity with Mehsud comes from their differences with the Mehsud tribe. At one point Bahadur joined Mehsud, but the two had a falling out, according to Jane's Terrorism and Security Monitor. Nazir never joined Mehsud, and some of the Uzbek fighters that Mehsud was sheltering fought with Nazir as early as April, 2007. At one point Nazir was once dubbed a "pro government" Taliban leader for his attacks on Mehsud's fighters. But Pakistani analysts say that unmanned CIA drone strikes in Waziristan -- and reported support for them by the Pakistani government -- have helped alienate Nazir from the Pakistani authorities, helping push him toward the alliance. The alliance also gives Mehsud access to the Afghanistan border for the first time -- both Nazir and Bahadur's land is between Mehsud's territory and the border.

But despite the potency of such an alliance, there is no indication that the Pakistani military has any intention to try and confront it.

There is an unwritten agreement between the Taliban and the military not to attack each other in Waziristan, according to the provincial government that oversees Pakistan's Northwest Frontier Province.

"There was certain pressure on us to accept the agreement in Waziristan between the militants, led by Baitullah Mehsud, and the military," said Bushra Gohar, senior vice president in the Awami National Party. "The agreement was … that they will not operate inside Pakistan, but they would be free to operate outside, anywhere." Gohar says the agreement was made in early 2008, but state patronage of Taliban training camps has existed for much longer than that, despite claims to the contrary by Pakistani authorities.
"When Pakistan says militants' training camps are going to be closed, then we must mean that we're going to close those camps," she said. "And for the past 8 to 10 years we've all seen that those camps have received state patronage. So this duplicity of policy needs to come to an end."

Publicly, the military denies a deal was ever made. But senior military officials are privately thankful that there is no fighting in Waziristan at the same time as paramilitary troops continue to battle the Taliban in the tribal areas north of Waziristan.

Each of the Taliban fighters have focused most of their energies on Pakistan and Afghanistan, though in the interview, Nazir had a message of global jihad.

"Infidels … attack innocent people with drones on our land, and pain the innocent people of Afghanistan, and martyr innocent people and 400 to 500 children in Palestine," Nazir said in the interview. "Hence we will do jihad against the infidels and America. This is a large burden and problem for us. So we will confront them."

ABC News: EXCLUSIVE: Taliban Commander Says U.S. Troops are Being Targeted

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This interview by Maulvi Nazir explicitly confirms that Pakistani soil is being used to harbor groups that attack US and other forces in Afghanistan. So there is no doubt that the PA is NOT stopping the use of FATA for cross border attacks into Afghanistan. Of course we already know that but some here at the forum seem to deny this is happening or that Pakistani Taliban are involved.
 
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There is one conflicting message from maulvi, he mentions that the three spy agency (CIA, Mossad, and ISI) created mistrust and discrimination among the three groups,

We, Baitullah, Hafiz Gul Bahadur [the third commander] and all our friends reached the conclusion that organizations have created mistrust and discrimination among us -- the CIA, Mossad, and especially Pakistani organizations,"

but has an agreement with the pakistanie government for protection.

There is an unwritten agreement between the Taliban and the military not to attack each other in Waziristan, according to the provincial government that oversees Pakistan's Northwest Frontier Province.

I am trying to put two things in order, First of all he has a safety net of Pakistan GoP, yet he is complaining about ISI intervensions. Maybe Hon. member can explain better on this dycotamy.
 
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The agreement is old news, truthseeker. You are supposed to have understood these new conditions and adjusted your attitude accordingly over the intervening weeks since it's announcement and this particular article.;)

This is a fact of life and we shall likely never see the Pakistani army enter the Waziristans. You've seen the 60 MINUTE video, correct?

Lt. General Jeffrey Schlosser, commander RC-EAST is interviewed towards the end of the video. He makes clear that he's a professional soldier and follows orders. Also clear is that, if unconstrained, there are choices about operations along the border that he might make differently.

He certainly makes the point that we've fired into Pakistan. Adamantly so.

I think that with the correct leverage we can again turn Nazir, Bahadur, and Mehsud against one another and, who knows, maybe even the GoP. Just need to get those C.I.A., Mossad, and RAW guys cranked up and paying some folks off.

Grease the right hands and anything's possible.:D
 
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I think that with the correct leverage we can again turn Nazir, Bahadur, and Mehsud against one another and, who knows, maybe even the GoP. Just need to get those C.I.A., Mossad, and RAW guys cranked up and paying some folks off.

Grease the right hands and anything's possible.

Mods:

Notice how oppenly and shamelessly this guy is talking against Pakistan and suggesting the cooperation betwen CIA, Mossad and Raw. This is not something new, we know US, Israel and India are actively conspirating against Pakistan. However, on this forum, there should be a limit of how far a member can go with his anti-Pakistan agenda.
 
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"we know US, Israel and India are actively conspirating against Pakistan."

Mr. Think-tank, most such targeted nations should be so lucky to have us conspire against them in the manner you so seriously suggest. It's not our habit to dispense aid dollars to those whom we conspire against.

Typically, it's missiles. Please rope yourself in and attempt to develop a sense of humor. I wasn't at all serious and was playing on the hysterical and over-ambient feelings on display here.

You simply were the first to show your open sores...

I support my government. We're your friends. I know so because my government tells me so.

Ergo, I'm your friend because my government is your friend. Besides, I really personally like a few of you.

Absolutely and truly..:agree::smitten:
 
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Well, S-2, I, myself, posted the first report of the flyer circulating about the new combined front of the Pakistani Taliban supporting al Qaeda in N and S Waziristan. So, yes I know that it is "old news". What is new is that the ABC report is of a face to face interview with Maulvi Nazir during which he states for the record the "old news". I thought it was worth putting on the PD Forum so that all could see that Pakistani Taliban were owning up to their deeds and intentions. Partly I was trying to counteract some of the opposing debate you (S-2) have been experiencing over your point that Pakistan had ceded Pakistani sovereignty in FATA to these groups. This ABC interview with Maulvi Nazir confirms your position in this debate with some of our Pakistani colleagues here at the PDF.
 
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Seriously these three and Fazlullah have really outlived the normal life expectancy of terrorist scum.

I think some sort of hit squad should be organized that specializes in sneaking into their areas and kill their top leaders. Let's get their hierarchy in rotation, that would lead to further splintering, and weakening of these organizations when there are power grab wars fought within themselves.

Although I do not agree with the assessment that Pakistan has ceded any territory. It's just a very a dangerous situation down there. The government institutions and their writ on those lands can easily return once calm has been established. Of course we can't even allow our soil to be used against foreigners either. So I think in all these peace deals there should be a clause like "We'll give you safe passage to Afghanistan, where you can do whatever you want". Hopefully you guys will be ready to jump on them as soon as they arrive.
 
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"Hopefully you guys will be ready to jump on them as soon as they arrive."

They will get through. Kasrkin is correct that it's probably impossible to perfectly seal the border. Our troops still seem eager, though, to find, fix, fight, and finish the enemy.

We'll see 17,000 more but if I had my choice they'd be used to help secure elections, attack Helmand and Kandahar, introduce ourselves to Nimroz and Farah, and provide more trainers to the Afghan army.

By trainers, I mean combat units that can work with a parallel structure on a continuing basis. That way we're training and fighting at the same time.

The border's a beast. We've deep respect for the terrain and the enemy.
 
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"Hopefully you guys will be ready to jump on them as soon as they arrive."

They will get through. Kasrkin is correct that it's probably impossible to perfectly seal the border. Our troops still seem eager, though, to find, fix, fight, and finish the enemy.

We'll see 17,000 more but if I had my choice they'd be used to help secure elections, attack Helmand and Kandahar, introduce ourselves to Nimroz and Farah, and provide more trainers to the Afghan army.

By trainers, I mean combat units that can work with a parallel structure on a continuing basis. That way we're training and fighting at the same time.

The border's a beast. We've deep respect for the terrain and the enemy.

yes S-2,i'm wondering why is it taking u so long to put together a reliable Afghan Army who can take on Taliban on own its in near future??

Considering the fact u guys went to Afghanistan before Iraq it should have been a top priority and its sheer oversight that US willfully choose to ignore Afghanistan and kept itself busy in a self created quagmire called Iraq.It just recently its waking up to realities of Afghanistan.

Sometimes i think different US lobbies (both business & political) tried their best to gain from 9/11 terror attack and used it to further their personal agendas which only gonna create more trouble for everybody.
 
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Khajur,

"why is it taking u so long to put together a reliable Afghan Army who can take on Taliban on own its in near future??"

This reads less like a question than an accusation. Much has to do with the poor military foundation that Indian army advisors provided to key N.A. commanders during the civil war. They've grown to command levels with some unusual notions.

We've had to conduct some de-programming.:agree:

This takes time.

OTOH, the Kandaks coming on line have done well. We're generally pleased with their demonstrated skills. They need augmentation but their battle performance is both tactically sound and spirited from all I've seen and read, to include videos I've posted elsewhere here.

We simply need more of them. Further, in addition to augmenting their battlefield assets, they lack basic institutional underpinnings yet. Maintenence, logistics, finance, personnel, and training facilities/personnel are not a part of their mix yet. It's part of the problem of raising forth an army that's simultaneously engaged in battle.

As to your other dissembling comments, they're off topic and I don't agree generally with your POV.

Thanks.:)
 
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"Do you ever take any responsibility?"

Profound. The ANA give battle daily against the same enemies your senior military leaders seemingly choose to avoid and do so with an army far smaller and less experienced.

How do you care to view that fact? Alternatively, what conclusions might you draw?

I've a few privately-held thoughts which come to mind...

Can you provide some performance analysis of the ANA that would dispute the issues I've raised that stand as impediments to their development? Doing so would be preferable to simply more ad hominem assaults from somebody proving otherwise completely incapable of offering incisive analysis on this issue.

What amazes me most, roadrunner, is that on this thread of all, you've the gall to discuss assuming responsibility. Perhaps you might wish to consider the obligations as such for your nation in assuming a bit of responsibility for the comments provided by Mr. Nazir?

That way, of course, we can stay on topic. Please respect the thread's discussion.

Thanks, roadrunner.:)
 
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What amazes me most, roadrunner, is that on this thread of all, you've the gall to discuss assuming responsibility. Perhaps you might wish to consider the obligations as such for your nation in assuming a bit of responsibility for the comments provided by Mr. Nazir?

Why should a nation be held responsible for the word of 1 person. Don't be so idiotic.

I made a valid point. You would probably blame your toilet seat for having a hole in it were you to fall through it.
 
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You've had your chance, sir. You persist in ad hominem attacks here instead of addressing your concerns about my views of the ANA or even this thread's topic.

This is where you and I dis-engage.

Thanks, roadrunner.:)
 
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This interview by Maulvi Nazir explicitly confirms that Pakistani soil is being used to harbor groups that attack US and other forces in Afghanistan. So there is no doubt that the PA is NOT stopping the use of FATA for cross border attacks into Afghanistan. Of course we already know that but some here at the forum seem to deny this is happening or that Pakistani Taliban are involved.

I for one am not denying that pakistan supports the taliban and hope they carry on doing so until the US and its poodles are kicked out.
It is the correct thing to do for pakistan in the long run if it wants peace on its border,if anything pakistan should merge the pushtoon part of afghanistan into the pak federation.
 
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