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karan and ramu:

First, let me compliment both of you on your spirited defense of India in the face of poor social indicators with respect to basics such as food, clothing, housing and sanitation. I admire you for your persistence, and the quality of some of the research you do and the arguments you make when challenged.

Second, let me try and dissect the contents of this and other similar threads and summarize my thoughts thus far.

As an Indian writer Anupam Mukerji wrote in an article for Fast Company, India consists of "islands of prosperity" in a " sea of poverty".

Pakistan has a similar situation, except that the islands are bigger and less prosperous, and the sea of poverty is smaller and generally less poor than in India. The rich-poor gap in Pakistan, as measured by Gini Index, is significant, with India at 36, and Pakistan at 30.

Having said that, let me argue that both India and Pakistan have very poor social indicators relative to the rest of the world. Both have a long way to go.

Let me also say that, under the current circumstances, India is more likely to make greater progress in improving its social indicators than Pakistan over the coming years.

Occasionally, I publish guest post from knowledgeable writers from South Asia on my blogs. A number of Indian authors have published on my blog during the last year on subjects related to the human conditions in South Asia.

I invite you both to write guest posts for my blog, sharing your research and data and offering arguments that I do not necessarily have to agree with. It'll make for a healthy debate on issues that matter to both Indians and Pakistanis.

In your blog can someone write pro India articles or anti Pakistani articles? If the answer is no the essentially your blog is a hate India campaign, no country in the world has only negative and nothing positive.
 
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karan and ramu:

First, let me compliment both of you on your spirited defense of India in the face of poor social indicators with respect to basics such as food, clothing, housing and sanitation. I admire you for your persistence, and the quality of some of the research you do and the arguments you make when challenged.

Second, let me try and dissect the contents of this and other similar threads and summarize my thoughts thus far.

As an Indian writer Anupam Mukerji wrote in an article for Fast Company, India consists of "islands of prosperity" in a " sea of poverty".

Pakistan has a similar situation, except that the islands are bigger and less prosperous, and the sea of poverty is smaller and generally less poor than in India. The rich-poor gap in Pakistan, as measured by Gini Index, is significant, with India at 36, and Pakistan at 30.

Having said that, let me argue that both India and Pakistan have very poor social indicators relative to the rest of the world. Both have a long way to go.

Let me also say that, under the current circumstances, India is more likely to make greater progress in improving its social indicators than Pakistan over the coming years.

Occasionally, I publish guest post from knowledgeable writers from South Asia on my blogs. A number of Indian authors have published on my blog during the last year on subjects related to the human conditions in South Asia.

I invite you both to write guest posts for my blog, sharing your research and data and offering arguments that I do not necessarily have to agree with. It'll make for a healthy debate on issues that matter to both Indians and Pakistanis.

Mr. Riaz : I trust you will appreciate that the Indians working in Foreign Countries and remitting Money to their Families in India are mainly from the Middle and Lower Classes.

As such the Doom and Gloom being perpetrated by you is a load of Hogwash as it only satisfies your ISI Masters. Read the following :

India top money recipient, remits $55 bn in 2009

You will note that this amount of Remittances is HIGHER THAN PAKISTAN'S TOTAL ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL TRADE.

At no time will I ever state that there is "NO POVERTY IN INDIA".

To make such a statement one will have to descend to your "Low Level"

Of course there is Poverty in India but the Indian Government - being an Elected Representative of the Indian People - is far more responsive and helpful to the Common Indian Citizen than your Feudal Minded Dominated Pakistani Establishment to the Common Pakistani Citizen.

No, India is not UTOPIA - at least not yet!
 
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First of all, thank you for the invitation to write on your blog..

I do broadly agree to your assessment here.. And a good anology by Mukerji on islands and sea. And I believe there is really no merit in debating about whose islands are bigger and whose seas are deeper. At the end of the day, both countries are far from where any of us want to see them..

I would really appreciate if you start a thread which discusses the ways that we feel can radically change the ball game in erradication or poverty and hunger from the subcontinent.. There we will not need to fight over who is worse off which is what we have been doing last few days. And may be some snippets from there from different members here can go into your blog as a guest article..

What say you??

Karan,

There are a number of posts by me and guest writers (including some Indians such as Rakesh Mani, Pavan Nair, Dost Mittar and others) on my blog that are focused on the solution space. I would welcome something along those lines from you.

Here are some examples:

Haq's Musings: South Asians' Primary Duty to Children

Haq's Musings: Malnutrition Challenge in India, Pakistan

Haq's Musings: Fixing Sanitation Crisis in India
 
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Riaz, I thank you for the invitation. As Karan mentioned, the current state of affairs is far from desirable. The journey to prosperity has just begun and who has a head start is inconsequential as dozens of laps lie ahead.

About your invitation in your blog, I can contribute if you have a strict policy of not editing content / views. :azn:

While I welcome and publish differing views by guest posters, I do have some basic rules about content that must be met.

So far, the guest posts that have been contributed have been published on my blogs with no edits.
 
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While I welcome and publish differing views by guest posters, I do have some basic rules about content that must be met.

So far, the guest posts that have been contributed have been published on my blogs with no edits.

Yes, ofcourse.


I am surprised to say the least that you have so many guest authors who are Indians.

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Riaz.In your blog can someone write pro India articles or anti Pakistani articles? If the answer is no the essentially your blog is a hate India campaign, no country in the world has only negative and nothing positive.
 
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Riaz.In your blog can someone write pro India articles or anti Pakistani articles? If the answer is no the essentially your blog is a hate India campaign, no country in the world has only negative and nothing positive.


I don't posts on my blog as pro or anti any country. The posts deal with issues and possible solutions in South Asia.
 
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I don't posts on my blog as pro or anti any country. The posts deal with issues and possible solutions in South Asia.

Ohh really, common Riaz its obvious what the blog intends to do. You have talked about Pakistan here and there but 99% of your focus is on India. The intentions of you and your blog are quite clear.
 
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I don't posts on my blog as pro or anti any country. The posts deal with issues and possible solutions in South Asia.

Not sure whats happened here. When I last checked out this thread there was warfare seems some sort of ceasefire has ensued. Impressive !

Riaz, Its my impression that in Pakistan there is what we can call an entrenched elite and the entrenched have nots and that they have remain entrenched in their respective classes.

Whats been the mobility from both an economic perspective and social one in Pakistan? If someone wanted to 'rise' up in life, whats his future in Pakistan. What does he do to go up the ladder?

As a reference, in India in terms of Politics there are states ruled by lower classes/castes and there is a real churning of the social couldron that India is....barriers are being broken everyday and there is great intermingling happening.A lot of work needs to happen before this intermingling can be dcescribed as complete but the pace at which changes are happening in five years time the whole social fabric could be different. Not only is this important but also essential for economic growth and stability.

I want to understand the same process wrt Pakistan.
 
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Not sure whats happened here. When I last checked out this thread there was warfare seems some sort of ceasefire has ensued. Impressive !

Riaz, Its my impression that in Pakistan there is what we can call an entrenched elite and the entrenched have nots and that they have remain entrenched in their respective classes.

Whats been the mobility from both an economic perspective and social one in Pakistan? If someone wanted to 'rise' up in life, whats his future in Pakistan. What does he do to go up the ladder?

As a reference, in India in terms of Politics there are states ruled by lower classes/castes and there is a real churning of the social couldron that India is....barriers are being broken everyday and there is great intermingling happening.A lot of work needs to happen before this intermingling can be dcescribed as complete but the pace at which changes are happening in five years time the whole social fabric could be different. Not only is this important but also essential for economic growth and stability.

I want to understand the same process wrt Pakistan.

There are classes in Pakistan, just like any other society. But there is also upward mobility for many people, and it has resulted in significant expansion in Pakistan's middle class during the last decade in particular

Pakistan does have its feudal system, but its power is declining with increasing urbanization.

Haq's Musings: Middle Class Clout Rising In Pakistan.

Unlike India, there is no rigid caste system in Pakistan.

Haq's Musings: Dalit Victims of Apartheid in India

The bottom line is that Pakistan is the most egalitarian country in South Asia, as measured by Gini Index. Pakistan's Gini index is 30 versus India's 36.

List of countries by income equality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Mr. Riaz : Do let us know as to what is the Pakistani Government's share in Pakistan's External Debt of over USD Fifty Five Billion!

Exchange fluctuation inflates external debt by Rs 90K cr: RBI

NEW DELHI: Exchange rate fluctuation has inflated India's external debt by USD 18.7 billion (about Rs 90,000 crore) during the three-month period ending December 31, 2009, according to RBI data.

However, if the US dollar had weakened against other currencies including Rupee, India's external debt would have declined by USD 10 billion during September-December 2009, said RBI's report on India's external debt.

After taking into account the valuation effect of USD 18.7 billion dollars--the changes in the value of assets India holds abroad, minus the changes in the value of domestic assets held by foreign investors--the country's external debt during the the three-month period rose by USD 8.7 billion to USD 251.4 billion dollars as on December 31, 2009.

In rupee terms, India's external debt worked out to be about Rs 12 lakh crore.

The RBI report said that at the end of December, the external debt basket comprised 52 per cent of dollar denominated debt, followed by rupee debt at 17.2 per cent, yen debt at 12.7 per cent, Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) issued by IMF at 11.4 per cent and Euro at 4.2 per cent among others.

The rupee component of the external debt include NRI deposits, Foreign Institutional Investor's (FII) investment in government and non-government securities and debt owed to Russia.

Out of the total external debt, the government's debt accounted for 26 per cent at USD 66.9 billion, while the remaining portion was on account of borrowings by corporates.

The non-government debt, it said, has increased to USD 184.46 billion at the end of December, accounting for 73.4 per cent of the total.

The ratio of the government's external debt to gross domestic product (GDP) had remained around 5 per cent in the last three years, RBI said.
 
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Japan today agreed to provide an Official DevelopmentAssistance (ODA) package to India in the form of soft loans amounting to more than Rs 10,500 crore (Yen 215.611 billion) for the financial year 2009.

An official press release said the notes in this regard were exchanged between Dr Alok Sheel, Joint Secretary, Department of Economic Affairs, and Mr Hideki Domichi, Japanese Ambassador to India here this morning.

The release said the loan would fund six major projects, including Rs 4422.84 crore (Y 90.62 billion) for Phase I of the Dedicated Freight Corridor (DFC) project. The total cost of the project appraised by the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) is Y 498.565 billion and the Government of Japan has committed Y 92.868 billion for Phase I.

The project is aimed at coping with the increasing demand for freight transport in India by constructing a new dedicated freight railway system, thereby promoting comprehensive regional economic development along the freight corridor, through improvement and modernization of inter-modal logistic system handling considerable freight traffic and poised for massive growth.

The package also includes a loan of R 2932.70 crore (Y 58.851 billion) for the Chennai Metro Project, which has been appraised by JICA at Y 378.138 billion. The Government of Japan has committed Y 21.751 billion for Phase I and Y 59.851 billion for Phase II of the project.

The project is designed to cope with the increasing traffic in Chennai metropolitan area by extending the mass rapid transportation system. It is expected to promote regional economic development and improve the urban environment through mitigation of traffic jamps and decrease of pollution caused by the increasing number of motor vehicles.

The assistance package includes a loan of Rs 1648.36 crore (Y 33.640 billion) for the Delhi Mass Rapid Transport System Project (Phase II). The total cost of Phase I of the project was appraised by JICA at Y 274.612 billion and the Japanese government has committed Y 162.751 billion. The total cost of Phase II of the project has been appraised at Y 388.670 billion and the Japanese Government has committed Y 211.976 billion. The first phase has been completed and the second phase is being implemented.

There is a Rs 1146.75 crore (Y 23.403 billion) loan for the Kolkata East-West Project Phase II. The total cost of the project has been appraised by JICA at Y 140.199 billion. The Japanese government has committed Y 6.437 billion for Phase I and Y 23.403 billion for Phase II.

The package also includes Rs 263.82 crore for the Sikkim Biodiversity Conservation and Forest Management Project and Rs 150.53 crore for the Rengali Irrigation Project.

With today's Exchange of Notes, the cumulative commitment of ODA from Japan has reached Rs 155840 crore (Yen 3116.81 billion). India continues to be the highest recipient of ODA from Japan.

Japan to provide ODA of Rs 10,500 crore to India in FY 2009 | NetIndian | India News | Latest News from India | Breaking News from India | Latest Headlines

http://www.mofa.go.jp/POLICY/oda/region/sw_asia/india_o.pdf

http://www.mofa.go.jp/POLICY/oda/region/sw_asia/pakistan_o.pdf

http://www.oecd.org/countrylist/0,2578,en_2649_34447_1783495_1_1_1_1,00.html
 
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According to Japan's ministry of finance, India has received $33 billion in soft loans and a billion dollars in grants from Japan since 1997. In 2008, Japan gave India $2.5 billion in soft loans, and $5 million in grants. By contrast, Pakistan has received $10 billion in soft loans, and $2.3 billion in grants from Japan since 1999. In 2008, Japan gave Pakistan $500 million in soft loans and $63 million in grants.

http://www.mofa.go.jp/POLICY/oda/region/sw_asia/india_o.pdf

http://www.mofa.go.jp/POLICY/oda/region/sw_asia/pakistan_o.pdf
 
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The Development Set

By Ross Coggins

Excuse me friends, I must catch my jet,
I’m off to join the Development Set.
My bags are packed and I’ve had all my shots;
I have travelers checks and pills for the trots.

The Development Set is bright and noble.
Our thoughts are deep and our vision global.
Although we move with the better classes,
Our thoughts are always with the masses.

In Sheraton Hotels in scattered nations,
We damn multi-national corporations.
Injustice seems easy to protest,
In such seething hotbeds of social unrest.

We discuss malnutrition over steaks
And plan hunger talks over coffee breaks.
Whether Asian flood or African drought
We face each issue with open mouth.

We bring in consultants whose circumlocution
Raises difficulties for every solution,
Thus guaranteeing good eating
By showing the need for another meeting.

The language of the Development Set
Stretches the English alphabet.
We use swell words like “epigenetic”
“Micro”, macro and logarithmatic.

It pleasures us to be esoteric—
It’s so intellectually atmospheric!
And though establishments may be unmoved,
Our vocabularies are much improved.

When the talk gets deep and you’re feeling dumb,
You can keep your shame to a minimum.
To show that you, too, are intelligent,
Simply ask, “Is it really development?”

Or say, “That’s fine in practice, but don’t you see,
It doesn’t really work in theory.”
A few may find this incomprehensible,
But most will admire you as deep and sensible.

Development Set homes are extremely chic,
Full of carvings, curios and draped with batik.
Eye-level photos subtly assure
That your host is at home with the great and the poor.

Enough of these verses—on with the mission!
Our task is as broad as the human condition.
Just pray God the biblical promise is true,
The poor ye shall always have with you.
 
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