Maryam Nawaz is the first responsible person of Dawn Leaks - Investigation Report

[Farah Sohail]

So you think toppling an electing govt and installing ik as puppet is his domain... but missile tests are not??

If you would have read posts in this thread and discussion, that was going on....you wouldnt have said this

 

[Mrc]

If you would have read posts in this thread and discussion, that was going on....you wouldnt have said this

This thread is based on a ?news with no source provided... and it implies that after leak of a secret meeting ... the investigation into that leak.... has also been leaked...without providing a source

 

[PakSword]

if there are to be any 'talks' with India

Just read your first sentence and didn't go beyond that.. I can assure you that no one cared about India or talks with India..

Actually, to tell you the truth, India was well taken care off at the security council by China.. And another truth that will hurt you, if Pakistan tomorrow releases Hafiz Saeed, China will again back Pakistan..

The matter is purely internal, nothing to do with your country..

Exactly, well put sir, people u need to understand that the establishment has never compromised national security uptil now, most people dont understand these decisions but that is why most people are not entrusted with that responsibility, the afghan jihad by zia was not to help afghanistan but to save pakistan from an inpending russian invasion and separation of balochistan so zia acted in national interest yet most simplr minded people now blame him for working for americans but in reality we used the americans just as much if not more than they used us, than the musharaf scenario escapes most people too, they say he sided with america to kill brother afghans while in reality he just played along to save pakistan from an american invasion as back than our missles were not able to reach israel which is now a major deterent of an american attack on pakistan, than he used the afghan talis to give america some of what we gave to the russians and now america has left with a bloody nose with the talis controlling most of the country again with kabul soon to fall, the american end game too was disintegration of pakistan via afghanistan via ttp and bla and now the army is avoiding sanctions right when an economic boom is underway, so what if we put hafiz under house arrest, we will lift the ban after a year or so no harm done, similarly the army is obviously using this to defame the govt and they mayeven be acting infront of the govt like they really are under pressure blah blah, shakeel afridi's release is just a statement as of now, we will see when he is released snd even if he is so what??, he's useless to us now, u see states are not run by emtional idiots, its all profit and loss to professionals, big picture shit, army will kill two birds with one stone, pmln loosing elections and avoiding sanctions etc, its these deep games that have led the world to fear and respect the isi, right now nothing is more imp than getting this back stabber noora out of pm house now, our own pm is anationak security threat, to hell with hafiz and afridi, our own state is at threat, what if india attacks tmrw, will noora back the army up or will he secede and run away like kargil and declare our own army as rebels..

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Exactly my friend, that is exactly why the isi has kept national security matters in thier own hands rather than in emotional stupid civilian administrations, nothing is above this islamic republic except Allah, not ik, not noora, nor hafiz, nor afridi, nir maryam..

Agree with most of your comment..

I along with other members like @Farah Sohail sometimes don't like the modus operandi. Sometimes even I think that something is wrong with the decision making process.

Well, they are all humans and mistakes happen at the procedural level. But there is no compromise on the security of our country.

How Musharraf handled the issue of Afghan war, I didn't like at all. But very few people know that it was not Musharraf's decision alone, it was Army's decision to help Americans. I still don't like how we handled the situation because a Muslim within me can't accept what happened in Afghanistan. But when I am asked what was our options, I become clueless. We sent delegations to Afghanistan to request Taliban to hand over Bin Laden, but they simply refused. We requested US to show some patience, they refused.

Actually, I firmly believe that the whole fiasco was created to trap Pakistan because of its nuclear weapons (which are still very much a worry for the entire world, and I don't know why). But due to the emergence of new power in the region (China) and change in the geopolitical situation, plus our role in Afghanistan really made the war inconclusive and secured our nuclear weapons. Now, Taliban are again taking over, and Pakistan, China and Russia are trying to bring them into the mainstream. They have also learnt some good lessons. Good thing is that US and India are becoming irrelevant.

But again saying, a different set of decisions might have saved our > 50,000 lives, plus many more Afghan lives. Which decisions? I think I am not that qualified to comment...

 

[Tiger Genie]

Just read your first sentence and didn't go beyond that.. I can assure you that no one cared about India or talks with India..

Actually, to tell you the truth, India was well taken care off at the security council by China.. And another truth that will hurt you, if Pakistan tomorrow releases Hafiz Saeed, China will again back Pakistan..

The matter is purely internal, nothing to do with your country..

do you see your situation now?

 

[Lavrentiy]

The mighty Corps Commanders are whining against a woman for hurting their delicate egos (aka security breach). What a joke !

 

[mingle]

The mighty Corps Commanders are whining against a woman for hurting their delicate egos (aka security breach). What a joke !

Ha ha they she should think before running cell from Abba jee house .She is baby doll for them nothing more .

 

[Verve]

@Farah Sohail

I give you an example..

1 - Data collected over the years by a particular institution's secret agency suggests that a particular family is working against the interest of a country. The data includes recordings of phone calls, text messages, emails, business relations with enemies that create the conflict of interest etc..

2 - There is an objective to safeguard all the interests of a country, including its security.

3 - A goal is set to pave the way to remove that particular family from the government.

4 - Procedures are discussed, which may include DIRECT CONFRONTATION: (a) Martial law or (b) Pressurizing government to resign and INDIRECT ACTIONS: (a) Push the government without anyone knowing to take steps that hit their popularity if the elections are near (b) Help the opposition by not helping government.

If the institution decides that direct confrontation is not a solution because it may attract some international players and may be detrimental to the economy of Pakistan so it is decided, (a) is not possible (b) is not possible

The rest of the options are decided to be adopted, and then everyone works in different ways to (1) Achieve the goal first in order to (2) achieve the objective

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This is now happening... and government can't stop these guys.. This is called indirect action, when they help the opposition by not helping the government.

Also, it hits where it hurts the most.. that is the popularity..

Well put!! Now add the COAS decision to provide troops for census and that's another nail in the coffin the corrupt elite are dreading. Timing of this decision must be noted. Establishment is playing this game very well.