Manufacture of the first Saudi-Brazilian turbo jet engine

[Oublious]

Yep. I just tagged him to point to an insider 'joke' ... literally everything I say on Quwa, it seems the likes of UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt etc, are doing it (e.g., working with Brazil, Ukraine, etc), while Pakistan is either silent (for a good reason, or because it's not taking advantage of these opportunities. or can't for reasons outside of its control).

It is a licence product, if you give them billions of dollar you could make it pup out. To big for a cruisemissile, not enough power to use in uav. Old generation engine. Good luck...

https://www.polaristec.com.br/products.html

 

[Philip the Arab]

It is a licence product, if you give them billions of dollar you could make it pup out. To big for a cruisemissile, not enough power to use in uav. Old generation engine. Good luck...

https://www.polaristec.com.br/products.html

Wrong website, they specifically list it as for cruise missiles. And you have no way of knowing if its licensing or TOT, the latter which is more likely. "licensing" would not take over a few years, it would take months.

https://www.turbomachine.com.br/
Scroll down to TF-1200.

 

[Darth Vader]

Not sure if the engine matters that much for range. It does, but a cruise missile is basically an aircraft, so the more room you have for fuel, the longer the range. Of course, there's probably also a max weight engines of varying sizes and power output can handle. I do think Pakistan is making a turbojet in-house, with so many cruise missiles and now a high speed target drone, it'd make a lot of sense.

If you add more fuel , it will also add more weight and than you need a slightly more powerful engine.

Pakistan does need to do some JV with china, turkey with help of private sector so gov has to pour less investment.

With Projects and needs Pakistan even a small continues project will help in many aviation fields.

One thing which triggers me is why Pakistan is not taking Space Race seriously.

IT will the be the game changer for future of Pakistan. I can bet if Pakistan invest in Sparco rather than searching oil it will give more benefits in future

 

[Philip the Arab]

 

[Indos]

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Look like the combustion is still not optimal.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Look like the combustion is still not optimal.

Could be old pictures that were in work, and finally fixed this month and finished.

 

[Philip the Arab]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1197618484374577170

@Indos

 

[Philip the Arab]

@Turan09
I image translated these so it might be rough but you can probably analyze information given.



Design of the building of the selection of jet engines and supply of test platforms
Achievement
Annual achievement
Total
100%
100%
History
05/10/2017
10/2019
Expiry date
Get started
clerk
E is the management of
The main objectives of this project are:. Establish and improve the performance of logistics centers. • Increasing the percentage of local content in non-oil sectors. • Facilitate doing business (from an organizational point of view)
Particular). | . Transfer and localization of the technology of building designs and testing of engines
The jet.
. performance
The project is a structural design of jet engines with the processing, supply and installation of its test platforms, to reach the test building and analysis of the overall performance of all turboprop engines, by national cadres trained and qualified in cooperation with the Brazilian company Turbo Machine to contribute to the achievement of the objectives of the "Vision Saudi Arabia 2030" . The test engine building consists of two test platforms with a double control room, where the building is designed with modern specifications with soundproof walls to reduce the noise level to the lowest level within the perimeter of the building, and the control room is equipped with full digital touch screens and connected to 60 channels high-speed To transfer data from the test platform to the displays, in addition it is equipped with double and bulletproof windows. Note that this building will be located in the research station of King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology in the eye and a total area of 10,000 square meters.
Highlights:. Finished designs and blueprints needed to set up a test building
Fully jet engines. • Receive all components (control system and data collection units)
Sensors, connectors, displays) test building.





________________

1: 40 pm Mon ۲۱ October
C ۱۱%
,
Achievement
Annual achievement
Total
100%
80%
01/01/2017
08/07/2019
\ History
starting date
Finished
High air pressure rate up to (2
. 3:
1) At each stage, instead of (1
. 6: 1) in normal air compressor. It is worth mentioning that the project has been implemented at all stages by trained and qualified national cadres in cooperation with the Brazilian company Turbo Machine, in order to contribute to the achievement of the objectives of the vision of Saudi Arabia
2030
The project is a research, development and manufacture of turboprop engine
TKF - 500 Turbofan) has a Tandem Blades Compressor and a low fuel consumption (SFC). This engine can be used in several applications, such as: private aircraft, small personal aircraft, drones, guided missiles. The engine has been carefully selected for its advanced technical specifications
. 35
The total weight (96 kN)
The engine speed reaches 0. 9 times the speed of sound, where the maximum number of engine cycles to (27000)
rpm). The dimensions of the engine are (1005 mm), and the outer diameter (360)
mm). | The project also includes two different types of air compressors: Type I: Conventional Axial Compressor Type II: Tandem Blades Axial Compressor Compressor.
The project aims to. Study, design and manufacture of turbo-type engines
Fan), especially those with a dual pneumatic compressor
Tandem Blades Compressor. . Training and qualifying national cadres of engineers and technicians to become
Specialists in the field of jet engines. • Increasing the percentage of local content in non-oil sectors. • Transfer and localization of jet engine technology to build national potential.
Highlights: The completion of the manufacture of all components and parts of the first industrial model of the turbocharged engine
TKF - 500 Turbofan.
29
King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology


The intellectual property is also apparently 100% Saudi






________________

VISION 203O
Turbofan engine
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
TKF-500
Developed and lost in conjunction with the company TurboMachine Brazil
Intellectual property rights are fully Saudi
Patented for blade axial compressor technology

________________
Technical characteristics of the 500-TRF turbocharged engine
2030
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
It has a maximum thrust of 545 kg
It is characterized by the technology of axial compressors synonymous with blades
Turbofan
Single shaft The maximum engine speed is mach 0.95
Works in all difficult and in operational conditions
Temperatures between (-40 to 55) degrees Celsius
It features a combination of hot gases with cool air
Integrated Digital Engine Control (FADEC)
Low fuel consumption of 380 kg / h at top speed

 

[Turan09]

@Turan09
I image translated these so it might be rough but you can probably analyze information given.



Design of the building of the selection of jet engines and supply of test platforms
Achievement
Annual achievement
Total
100%
100%
History
05/10/2017
10/2019
Expiry date
Get started
clerk
E is the management of
The main objectives of this project are:. Establish and improve the performance of logistics centers. • Increasing the percentage of local content in non-oil sectors. • Facilitate doing business (from an organizational point of view)
Particular). | . Transfer and localization of the technology of building designs and testing of engines
The jet.
. performance
The project is a structural design of jet engines with the processing, supply and installation of its test platforms, to reach the test building and analysis of the overall performance of all turboprop engines, by national cadres trained and qualified in cooperation with the Brazilian company Turbo Machine to contribute to the achievement of the objectives of the "Vision Saudi Arabia 2030" . The test engine building consists of two test platforms with a double control room, where the building is designed with modern specifications with soundproof walls to reduce the noise level to the lowest level within the perimeter of the building, and the control room is equipped with full digital touch screens and connected to 60 channels high-speed To transfer data from the test platform to the displays, in addition it is equipped with double and bulletproof windows. Note that this building will be located in the research station of King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology in the eye and a total area of 10,000 square meters.
Highlights:. Finished designs and blueprints needed to set up a test building
Fully jet engines. • Receive all components (control system and data collection units)
Sensors, connectors, displays) test building.





________________

1: 40 pm Mon ۲۱ October
C ۱۱%
,
Achievement
Annual achievement
Total
100%
80%
01/01/2017
08/07/2019
\ History
starting date
Finished
High air pressure rate up to (2
. 3:
1) At each stage, instead of (1
. 6: 1) in normal air compressor. It is worth mentioning that the project has been implemented at all stages by trained and qualified national cadres in cooperation with the Brazilian company Turbo Machine, in order to contribute to the achievement of the objectives of the vision of Saudi Arabia
2030
The project is a research, development and manufacture of turboprop engine
TKF - 500 Turbofan) has a Tandem Blades Compressor and a low fuel consumption (SFC). This engine can be used in several applications, such as: private aircraft, small personal aircraft, drones, guided missiles. The engine has been carefully selected for its advanced technical specifications
. 35
The total weight (96 kN)
The engine speed reaches 0. 9 times the speed of sound, where the maximum number of engine cycles to (27000)
rpm). The dimensions of the engine are (1005 mm), and the outer diameter (360)
mm). | The project also includes two different types of air compressors: Type I: Conventional Axial Compressor Type II: Tandem Blades Axial Compressor Compressor.
The project aims to. Study, design and manufacture of turbo-type engines
Fan), especially those with a dual pneumatic compressor
Tandem Blades Compressor. . Training and qualifying national cadres of engineers and technicians to become
Specialists in the field of jet engines. • Increasing the percentage of local content in non-oil sectors. • Transfer and localization of jet engine technology to build national potential.
Highlights: The completion of the manufacture of all components and parts of the first industrial model of the turbocharged engine
TKF - 500 Turbofan.
29
King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology


The intellectual property is also apparently 100% Saudi

If SA got the intellectual property of it, I would just say, ''Well done,'' This would be great for them. You can produce more and more subsystems in SA and sell it as you wish... But other than that, I am gonna tell you my honest opinion. This looks too good to be true.
Let me give you an example. TEI was established in 1975. But their one of the most famous work happened after 1980's... In 80's F-16 came to TuAF. Turkish newspapers write about F-16 a lot, and they told Turkish Socialty that Turkey produce all this F16's in Turkey. ''First Turkish Made Jet: F16''
They said, ''look we even produce engine in Turkey. A Turkish Company, TEI produce it...''
But of course it was too good to be true. Because it wasn't the truth. We just assamble it, we couldn't produce it our own wish. We couldn't sell it. And if US emborgo us, it would be a great problem for us. This engines wasn't ours. But of course it must be felt good to believe it was Turkish made...
And I believe, it is the same for SA... Sure it must be good to think, they produce all in SA... but most probably realty is different.

 

[Philip the Arab]

@Turan09
Could be lies but this states all IP is in hands of Saudis. If true wouldn't that most likely allow exports?

 

[Turan09]

@Turan09
Could be lies but this states all IP is in hands of Saudis. If true wouldn't that most likely allow exports?

If they really get the IP rights. Right, in theory you can export it. But, like I said, It looks to good to be true. States won't give up their IP rights so easly... And engine technology is so valuable.
We will see it in future if SA, successfully integrated it with a cruise missile... Only time will tell.

 

[Philip the Arab]

KSA has setup some sort of MRO of turbojets. I will post tweets explanation under each picture.

A series of tweets about the aircraft engine parts repair center that it established and opened Saudi Arabia, the first center of its kind in the Middle East.

Welding workshop, sheet repair and heat treatment workshop to carry out repairs to many engine parts such as turbine exhausts, replacement of titanium shields and turbine support covers made of titanium, stainless steel or aluminum.

Machining Shop
The company has established a workshop equipped with the latest digital technology CNC to work all kinds of scraps where these techniques and modern machines can be used to repair the parts of aircraft engines as well as support the manufacture of engine parts.

One of the most important technical processes for repairing engine parts is the grinding process of repairing the engine's core blades.
The workshop has an electrochemical grinding machine and a machine specializing in the lapping process, which helps grind carbon-made pieces.

To test and repair the fuel nozzle for all types of engines
And test and check the fuel pipes for all kinds of engines.
And the gearbox pressure test. Follow9

 

[Uguduwa]

Update me on a list of aircrafts this engine is supposed to fitted with so I can avoid flying on them.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Update me on a list of aircrafts this engine is supposed to fitted with so I can avoid flying on them.

You stupid or something? Its made specifically for cruise missiles.

What can Sri Lanka make? A pair of shoes maybe?

@Turan09
It seems production could be handed over to MEPC which has been servicing engines for a fairly long time. Those images up there are of MEPC facilities, and logical step would be mass production at an established center like that.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1585811/business-economy

https://mepcsa.com/pages/product-service/

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

It seems that a lot of people in this thread have forgotten about the fact that KSA has the best ranked universities in the entire Muslim world, that KSA spends more on education than any other Muslim country (both in terms of the actual sum and the percentage of the state budget, almost 10%), that 100.000’s (if not over 1 million by now) nationals have degrees from leading universities in the World, that 10.000’s of Saudi Arabians are working home and abroad in every imaginable technical field and for world-renowned firms spanning from NASA, Aramco to Novo Nordisk.

https://www.nature.com/articles/532...2&spJobID=903461217&spReportId=OTAzNDYxMjE3S0

Not to forget tons of money (KEY) to invest with and one of the yougest populations in the world (no lack of local manpower like in some smal GCC states).

That and tons of money being invested in establishing a succesful and vibrant local arms industry. This is just the beginning. Tons of strategic projects are being worked on spanning from nuclear energy to jet engines to ballistic missiles. Some in the mainstream news, otters not.

Another huge step forward.