Making India think " twice ".

[Spitfighter]

Attrition's the word.

Pakistan has been threatening nuclear retaliation since 1999, the only difference is now they actually have the means to deliver a tactical warhead. It is a well known fact that the IBG's would be the first to be hit, well guess what, that's exactly what they're there for. The idea is to present a target and divert attention from tier 1 cities should Pakistan choose to cross the nuclear threshold. Bear in mind that India will respond in kind and all this is taking place on Pakistani soil. India isn't 'casualty averse' like the west, we've been fighting insurgencies for decades, so massive casualties are expected.

The idea here isn't to 'destroy' Pakistan, it's simply to destabilize it and let nature run its course. As I understand it, the plan is to launch multiple, autonomous battle groups from different directions while simultaneously choking naval supply routes. The PA is too big and too strong to crush completely, but India has (or is building) the capacity to inflict severe damage. Even if the battle grinds to a stalemate, which it very well might, think about the long term consequences for the PA. Pakistan doesn't have the economy or the diplomatic clout to re-arm itself like it did when it had the states behind it. A single terrorist attack (like 26/11) will provide all the justification and world support India needs. A majority of countries have a negative view of Pakistan as it is. Even if the war wreaks havoc on the economy for a month or three, we will have a much easier time bouncing back than Pakistan. Diplomatic isolation will also be much easier. Now couple a weak economy, diplomatic isolation, homegrown Islamist movement and the TTP with a weakened PA and what do you get?

 

[KS]

Leaving aside that tactical nuclear weapons were designed for large russian armored formations and given up long ago by everyone else.

Some genius has now developed a short range nuclear device designed to be used on Indian troops "after" they have invaded Pakistan, note the flaw in the argument, if they are ever deployed Pakistan will become the first nation in history to nuke itself.

this ignores the fits the production of a roughly 20-25 kilo nuclear device is going to give security people.

Actually this SR, low yield tac nuke very much defeats the purpose it was developed for - deterrence.

India has a No First Use policy regarding nuke weapons but the declared Indian doctrine says that any First use by an enemy on any of Indian assets will be retaliated with a massive and disproportionate response seeking to cause unacceptable damage to the enemy.

Pakistan will be the first nation to lauch a tac-nuke to destroy some armored columns (that even properly directed artillery fire/MBRL fire could achieve) and inviting a massive Indian second strike on itself because Indian NFU doctrine doesnt distinguish between a Tac nuke or a High Yield (Strategic) nuke.

Now couple a weak economy, diplomatic isolation, homegrown Islamist movement and the TTP with a weakened PA and what do you get?

Add BLA to the list - anything is fair in love and war.

 

[Rafi]

IMO Nasr is an insurance policy, Azm-E-Nau (New Resolve) Exercises have proven that the PA's Conventional Deterrence Capability is considerable, and that they have the tactical mobility to respond to the threat.

Some interesting information on Pakistan Army's Netcentric warfare validation during the recent Ex. Azm-e-nau III by Brig Tughral Yamin. I thought this is more concrete than most of the other information available on what PA is working out in terms of increasing netcentric operational capability. The fact that PA is relying on net-centricity to counter the envisages Cold Start doctrine speaks to an indication that NC is on the road to get adopted quickly and across the force (obviously resource constraints apply):

One idea that was tested during the exercise was the applicability of the network-centric approach in the joint Army and Air force operations. The network-centric as opposed to platform-centric operation aims to connect all sensors to with the shooter thus reducing his OODA (Orient, Observe, Decide, and Act) loop. Network-centricity provides a Common Operating Picture (COP) to all stakeholders and facilitates its decision making process. If indeed the Indians are planning to animate a Cold Start type scenario, a net-enabled force would be able to react in a timely manner by launching appropriate responses to reduce or eliminate any advantages that might be sought through reducing the time of operations. All three services of the Armed Forces are rapidly transforming into a network enabled force.

Ex Azm-e-Nau III was the battle lab to test a number of ideas and concepts to counter the so called Cold Start offensive doctrine. Network centric operation was one concept, which emerged as a doable enterprise. It reduced the fog of war by allowing all tiers of the command from the highest to lowest field commander to look into the evolving battle picture through across the board connectivity using all means of Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) assets i.e. UAVs, aerial imagery and early warning (EW). The real time availability of information not only reduced the chance of surprise through any proactive maneuvers, it also enhanced the decision making capability of commanders at all levels. 'Cold Start' has met it nemesis!

For more details, look up "Cold Start & Net Centric Operations" in the March issue of Hilal Magazine.

The PA has both conventional and unconventional deterrence in place.

 

[third eye]

Capture of Lahore would be unacceptable and would initiate launch of Pakistani Strategic Weapons.
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It makes no military sense to capture lahore as is being talked of here or any other high value target. Merely threatening it achieves more. In 65 PA recoiled from J&K when the Ichogill Canal then out side Lahore was reached.

No army in the world will ever get into a " Stalingrad' type situation or urban warfare.

 

[JonAsad]

Okay, so what if India captures Lahore? It's not far away..Will you use your nukes?

You were suppose to have breakfast in lahore on 65- you couldn't-
What makes you think you can this time?-

 

[JonAsad]

Ok.. Indian forces are on outskirts of Lahore.. 5 Km away.. Then what?? Will you use Nukes and kill millions in Lahore along with a few thousand indian troops and tanks??

Bro the talk is about tactical nuke- with minimum yield heavy damage- Jeeezz-

I hope in the meanwhile Pakistan NASR Amritsar aswell-

 

[JonAsad]

Actually this SR, low yield tac nuke very much defeats the purpose it was developed for - deterrence.

India has a No First Use policy regarding nuke weapons but the declared Indian doctrine says that any First use by an enemy on any of Indian assets will be retaliated with a massive and disproportionate response seeking to cause unacceptable damage to the enemy.

Pakistan will be the first nation to lauch a tac-nuke to destroy some armored columns (that even properly directed artillery fire/MBRL fire could achieve) and inviting a massive Indian second strike on itself because Indian NFU doctrine doesnt distinguish between a Tac nuke or a High Yield (Strategic) nuke.

Our Declared First Use policy directly conflicts your No first use policy- so it is assured when ever some mad general of yours decide to implement CSD- the resulting conflict will be nuclear- tac or conventional-
NASR is developed for deterrence- if it failed to stop your aggression- it will be used on you-

Add BLA to the list - anything is fair in love and war.

Add all of them to our list- Most of them are already listed
Separatist movements of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[harshad]

You were suppose to have breakfast in lahore on 65- you couldn't-
What makes you think you can this time?-

its was pakistan who attacked remember 1 pakistani soldiers = 10 indian soldiers,you had to rethink the number of pakistani soldiers required after that

 

[Rafi]

its was pakistan who attacked remember 1 pakistani soldiers = 10 indian soldiers,you had to rethink the number of pakistani soldiers required after that

LoL - Pakistani Soldiers have always been outnumbered but have given a good account of themselves, 1 = 3 at least.

 

[harshad]

LoL - Pakistani Soldiers have always been outnumbered but have given a good account of themselves, 1 = 3 at least.

never said anything about being outnumbered

 

[Mech]

You were suppose to have breakfast in lahore on 65- you couldn't-
What makes you think you can this time?-

Air ticket and a visa.

 

[JonAsad]

its was pakistan who attacked remember 1 pakistani soldiers = 10 indian soldiers,you had to rethink the number of pakistani soldiers required after that

The term 1 Pakistani = 10 Indians, came after 65 WAR-
Change your history teacher- he is sh!t-

 

[JonAsad]

Air ticket and a visa.

Well - This thread is not about tourism- reply in context-

 

[harshad]

The term 1 Pakistani = 10 Indians, came after 65 WAR-
Change your history teacher- he is sh!t-

learn some history as you dont know any

 

[ARSENAL6]

Okay, so what if India captures Lahore? It's not far away..Will you use your nukes?

YES ON NEW DELHI