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OK. Why not.
But all the words are important : Gripen defeat SU35 in A simulated game war.
A simulated game about how many? 10? 100? 2?

The article does not say, but if the simulation is properly done, a variety of scenarios have been simulated and then an average is presented.
The article claims that an F-35 will shoot down 2.4 Su-35s for every loss in WVR combat,
but the source it is referring to claim it is the other way around.
The Su-35 will kill 2.4 F-35s in WVR combat for every loss.
The source is an article from 2016, and is not neccessarily correct.
 
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...rca-results/story-R8CwczuejelV5SP9tMaphM.html

IAF to select 110 fighters after multi-role combat aircraft results
Strapped with an ageing and depleting fighter fleet, IAF had  floated a Request for Information (RFI) – a global tender – to buy 110 fighters.
Sudhi Ranjan Sen
The process to select 110 fighters for the Indian Air Force (IAF) will draw upon the field evaluation results of the now-cancelled Medium Muti-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) purchase deal to shorten and hasten the process, senior officials in the ministry of defence who aren’t authorised to speak to the media said.

In 2015, the Narendra Modi-led National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government at the Centre scrapped the US$ 20 billion (approx INR 140 billion) MMRCA project. Instead, it opted to buy 36 Rafale aircraft from French defence manufacturing giant Dassault through a government-to-government contract with France. The ~58,000 crore deal has triggered a major political controversy, with the Opposition alleging corruption and wrongdoing in the purchase of the aircraft which the government has vehemently denied.

Strapped with an ageing and depleting fighter fleet, IAF had  floated a Request for Information (RFI) – a global tender – to buy 110 fighters. Of the 110 jets, around 85% will have to be built in India under the ‘Make in India’ programme in partnership with an Indian manufacturer under the Strategic Partnership (SP) route.

“What was tested earlier and proved will not be put to test again,” the officer said. “When we evaluate fighters now, only new additions, systems of the aircraft, and modifications made to the aircraft, if any, will be put to test. We have decided not to go through the entire process again. This will substantially cut down the time,” the first defence ministry officer said.

What may come as a relief to IAF is that all six global manufacturers who have responded to the RFI – Lockheed Martin F-16 and SAAB Gripen with single-engine fighters, and Boeing F-18, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and United Aircraft Corporation MiG-35 with twin-engine fighters – were also contenders for the previous MMRCA deal.

The air force is now in the process of finalising the Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQR) – a list of must-have capabilities and parameters – for the aircraft. “We are ensuring that ASQR takes into account the disruptive and transformative technologies that are likely to be a reality in the coming decades. The ASQR will be complete in the next few weeks,” a second official involved in the acquisition process said.

“We hope to get a nod from the ministry (of defence) by March 2019,” the officer added.

With a new government expected to be sworn in next May, the IAF is keen to complete as much of the process as possible before that.

“We hope to start the process of field evaluation by next June and complete it as early as possible, so that commercial negotiation can start,” the second officer said.

Commercial negotiations are precurser to signing a contract.

The IAF spokesperson was not available for comment. Experts and former IAF test pilots who were involved in the acquisition of aircraft, however, said “using previous test results” is practical but advised caution at the same time.

“It is not necessary to test proven points in the QSR again; all previous points on which a platform was found to be non-complaint should be checked,” Air Marshal RK Sharma (retd), former Vice Chief of IAF and test pilot, said.

“Importantly, when checking fresh add-ons, modifications to a platform the IAF must ensure is that they check all parameters that the modification will affect,” he said

“The process that follows the selection of the aircraft like commercial negotiations, etc, should also be completed quickly,” he said.

First Published: Nov 26, 2018 07:20 IST
 
Minus MiG and Typhoon. There is zero chance that IAF will buy MiG. MiG doesn't have the Technology to fulfill the RFI/RFP.

Rafale has high chance considering commonality of spares and knowledge.

Cost and Technology wise Gripen pack a punch but Lockheed Martin will fight tooth and nail before let it go. TASL will lobby hard before give up.

Lets hope IAF select Gripen based on Technology stack.
 
Minus MiG and Typhoon. There is zero chance that IAF will buy MiG. MiG doesn't have the Technology to fulfill the RFI/RFP.

Rafale has high chance considering commonality of spares and knowledge.

Cost and Technology wise Gripen pack a punch but Lockheed Martin will fight tooth and nail before let it go. TASL will lobby hard before give up.

Lets hope IAF select Gripen based on Technology stack.

This tender is Rafale's to win. The 36 jet deal already gives Dassault too much of an advantage.
 
Minus MiG and Typhoon. There is zero chance that IAF will buy MiG. MiG doesn't have the Technology to fulfill the RFI/RFP.

Rafale has high chance considering commonality of spares and knowledge.

Cost and Technology wise Gripen pack a punch but Lockheed Martin will fight tooth and nail before let it go. TASL will lobby hard before give up.

Lets hope IAF select Gripen based on Technology stack.
Gripen E is the sole real new competitor.
But : in a frontal concurrence versus Tejas, and is made of a lot of US technolgy. Not so good for it.
F16 is definitively out. IAF made a lot of criticism about it earlyer.

It would be a huge disappointment not to see rafale as the winner, for a lot of reasons. the RFI was tailored made for it.
 
Gripen E is the sole real new competitor.
But : in a frontal concurrence versus Tejas, and is made of a lot of US technolgy. Not so good for it.
F16 is definitively out. IAF made a lot of criticism about it earlyer.

It would be a huge disappointment not to see rafale as the winner, for a lot of reasons. the RFI was tailored made for it.

The IAF has been told that India cannot afford it.
If India was putting the Rafale in the lead position, there would be no need to restart the MMRCA.
India could just restart negotiation with Dassault/France.
The only chance for Rafale to win is by cutting cost to what India can afford = 30-40%.

The Big Question is why India, with desperate need for fighters, has plans for delivery which 100% matches the time when they can expect deliveries of the Gripen E.
 
The IAF has been told that India cannot afford it.

Not true. This was only specific to MMRCA because HAL added $23M to the flyaway cost of the jet. It was retarded to go ahead.

If India was putting the Rafale in the lead position, there would be no need to restart the MMRCA.

We are experimenting with the Strategic Partnership Model, and this requires tenders.

India could just restart negotiation with Dassault/France.

This was contemplated and a GTG for 90 jets was considered to be cheaper than starting an entirely new tender process. But GoI opted for the SPM process.

The only chance for Rafale to win is by cutting cost to what India can afford = 30-40%.

No. Becoming shortlisted is more important. If Gripen's cost advantage is to come into play, then the aircraft has to get shortlisted first. Even after that T1, ie, the best jet, gets a 10% cost advantage.

Plus if the tech differences are big, then the whole tender can be junked and the best jet can be chosen directly if necessary. That's what happened in the competition between Ka-226T and Fennec. The Ka-226T was overwhelmingly superior, and naturally more expensive, so the GoI junked the tender and signed up for it directly with Russia.

The Big Question is why India, with desperate need for fighters, has plans for delivery which 100% matches the time when they can expect deliveries of the Gripen E.

The Mig-35 timeline matches Gripen's as well. So does the Su-35 and Typhoon with upgrades. The SH Block 3 will also come in around the same time, and so will the F-16 Block 70. The Rafale F4's first block upgrade will also come in around 2023.

The IAF is not expecting first delivery before 2027 anyway.
 
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27-November, 2018 16:57 IST
Recent Reforms in Transport Sector to benefit Transporters and reduce Pollution

Major initiatives have been taken in the transport sector, by increasing the Axle load of trucks by 20 to 25 per cent, their load carrying capacity has increased phenomenally. It has not only added to the income of transporters, but has also resulted in lesser pollution.

Modern technology in automobiles, fitness test requirement for vehicle has been changed. In place of the earlier provision of yearly tests, now they need to get it done every two years. Another major step is total exclusion of new vehicles from mandatory fitness tests.

The transporters are now free to paint their trucks in the colour of their choice, instead of the mandatory brown colour. They can now utilize this space for advertisements, etc further adding to their income. This will also bring cleanliness in trucks,. Further, all vehicles are required to be kept completely covered to avoid pollution from dust etc.

Mandatory fixing of fastags in all new vehicles and transport vehicles has started showing saving in time – as they do not need to stop at toll plazas, and money – as they get 5% rebate. Tracking of vehicles is now easy, and the drivers do not need to carry cash for payments etc. The system is proving beneficial for toll operators, with better collection of toll and reduced pollution.
 
Not true. This was only specific to MMRCA because HAL added $23M to the flyaway cost of the jet. It was retarded to go ahead.

No. Becoming shortlisted is more important. If Gripen's cost advantage is to come into play, then the aircraft has to get shortlisted first. Even after that T1, ie, the best jet, gets a 10% cost advantage.

Plus if the tech differences are big, then the whole tender can be junked and the best jet can be chosen directly if necessary. That's what happened in the competition between Ka-226T and Fennec. The Ka-226T was overwhelmingly superior, and naturally more expensive, so the GoI junked the tender and signed up for it directly with Russia.

The Mig-35 timeline matches Gripen's as well. So does the Su-35 and Typhoon with upgrades. The SH Block 3 will also come in around the same time, and so will the F-16 Block 70. The Rafale F4's first block upgrade will also come in around 2023.

The IAF is not expecting first delivery before 2027 anyway.

IAF was told that India could not afford the Rafale much after the MMRCA was dead.
The Gripen now has an AESA and the US are much more prepared to do ToT on F-16 and F-18 so they are much stronger.
10% is not much, if you are 30% too expensive.
F-16 Block 70 is more or less available today.
Rafale F4 will not be available for the tests by IAF.

I doubt the extension of the single fighter procurement is anything more than protection from political backstabbing.
India realizes that the single engine is what they can afford.
 
The Gripen now has an AESA and the US are much more prepared to do ToT on F-16 and F-18 so they are much stronger.

AESA is simply a small part of the equation. If you recall, even the SH and F-16 failed, and this is even before ToT came into the picture.

10% is not much, if you are 30% too expensive.

You will be surprised how much of a difference it will make for the Rafale considering Dassault will already have an assembly line in India even before MMRCA 2.0 starts. They plan to set it up with the second order of 36 jets, and they are expected to win the navy's MRCBF also. And Dassault will already have a spares industry set up. So most of the industrial costs will have already been amortised and can be removed from Dassault's bid. The customisation contract has also covered up any gaps the Rafale had versus the new competition.

My bet is the Gripen won't even be shortlisted. Because of the single engine. Lot of points lost there.

Rafale F4 will not be available for the tests by IAF.

The French can make it available for tests in 2021. A lot of stuff for F4 is already being tested today through older programs. Plus, since Rafale was already shortlisted once before, they don't have to prove much except new systems.

I doubt the extension of the single fighter procurement is anything more than protection from political backstabbing.
India realizes that the single engine is what they can afford.

That's where the 200+ LCA Mk2 will come in.
 
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