Major breakthrough on naval reactor + propulsion system

[Basel]

those are VLF, under construction in Balochistan



5 1/3 and 2

How you know they are VLF not ELF??

 

[Screambowl]

plz let me refresh your memory below is your post where you were establishing your argument of '14 vessel' on the basis of an article (quoted by you in your post: The Consequences of a Pakistani Sea-Based Nuclear Second Strike Capability | The Diplomat) which is actually debating about the Pakistan's requirement of AIP base submarines not about the Nuclear submarine. (as debated in my previous post # 112 & post # 119 )



this shows non seriousness as you don't read even your own quotes, secondly lack of basic knowledge & understanding, therefore from my side this s the end of debate with you about your flawed 14 vessel argument.

In a vast IO region, a submarine alone cannot create a threat level unless until supported by NCW capabilities. And this is only achievable when assigned in a Battle group.

 

[HRK]

In a vast IO region, a submarine alone cannot create a threat level unless until supported by NCW capabilities. And this is only achievable when assigned in a Battle group.

 

[Screambowl]

How you know they are VLF not ELF??

ELF radars deployments require kms and earth itself is a part of radar. Any such development cannot be hidden.

 

[Basel]

ELF radars deployments require kms and earth itself is a part of radar. Any such development cannot be hidden.

hmm and your military share every thing with public??

 

[Screambowl]

hmm and your military share every thing with public??

something which cannot be hidden is waste of time to be shared or not. haha.

 

[Screambowl]

Do you have proof that we dont?. So far there is still NOTHING to show that 14 vessels are needed. The rest is all as is shown in later posts; clutching at straws. So unless you really have something to add beyond the usual baseless parroting, we are done here.

For an attack submarine to operate efficiently it needs to be integrated into a battle group and takes part in operation, training and exercises.

During gulf war the US submarines showed how efficient a submarine could be for launching SLCMs in an integrated naval task force, when data is communicated to them through other vessels.

For surveillance operations, if a Submarine is not in a battle group /amphibious strike group/ amphibious ready group the whole idea of surveillance and the line of sight close to the action point remains a failure.

 

[SQ8]

For an attack submarine to operate efficiently it needs to be integrated into a battle group and takes part in operation, training and exercises.

During gulf war the US submarines showed how efficient a submarine could be for launching SLCMs in an integrated naval task force, when data is communicated to them through other vessels.

For surveillance operations, if a Submarine is not in a battle group /amphibious strike group/ amphibious ready group the whole idea of surveillance and the line of sight close to the action point remains a failure.

Not really. For years US SSNs patrolled independantly near Soviet bases in the constant hunt for Russian SSBNs(and vice versa). You have essentially taken the example completely opposite in order to somehow make it suit your flawed narrative. It is a naval battlegroup that is most effective when combined with underwater support and cover via Submarines. Their surveillance capablities only add to the battlegroups capabilities and becomes essentially a two way street. Moreover, during enduring freedom one of the first strikes was carried out by an independant Ohio SSGN without direct coordination with a battlegroup.

Even more ridiculous is you trying to somehow justify your baseless 14 ship idea for a SSBN by giving the example of Attack Subs who have a very different purpose.

As I said before; CLUTCHING AT STRAWS.
So if you really have nothing more to add than pointless tangents, I would suggest you not.

 

[Screambowl]

Not really. For years US SSNs patrolled independantly near Soviet bases in the constant hunt for Russian SSBNs(and vice versa). You have essentially taken the example completely opposite in order to somehow make it suit your flawed narrative. It is a naval battlegroup that is most effective when combined with underwater support and cover via Submarines. Their surveillance capablities only add to the battlegroups capabilities and becomes essentially a two way street. Moreover, during enduring freedom one of the first strikes was carried out by an independant Ohio SSGN without direct coordination with a battlegroup.

Even more ridiculous is you trying to somehow justify your baseless 14 ship idea for a SSBN by giving the example of Attack Subs who have a very different purpose.

As I said before; CLUTCHING AT STRAWS.
So if you really have nothing more to add than pointless tangents, I would suggest you not.

During cold war, the NCW capabilities were not as what they are now. More over, let us forget the 14 vessel, ELF, all sort of technical details. Still I am pretty sure that Pakistan Navy is not going to have any SSN even in the next 10 years from today. And SLBM capability not before 8 years. Pakistan may have few Building blocks but turning them into an SSN is not yet possible for Pakistan.
Yes, PN may get on lease a chinese SSN in the coming 10 years. That is highly possible.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Have heard from a very good source, that the miniaturized reactor/naval propulsion system and the various electrical systems have recently completed a key testing and reliability test, brothers assisted with various technical assistance.

It is all coming on line - with a version of S3, being further developed with MIRV the first SLBM.

Congratulations to the whole nation, for the effective birth of Pakistan Navy Strategic Force Command.
NSFC and our Second Strike Capability.

Pakistan Paindabad.

I knew about our nuclear sub plans and work since 2009, here is my only hint in 2012.

Can Pakistan produce/acquire these kinds of subs?

It's not that Pakistan announced it's own nuclear powered sub one day after indian laucnh as a knee jerk reaction. Neither the indian sub was a surprise nor Pakistan's decision to announce it's own nuclear sub ambitions a leap in the dark.
Pakistan has been working on this project for a very long time and the decission to buy/build Agosta subs in Pakistan and then retro-fit of MESMA Air Independant propulsion system was aslo part of the same long term vision.
Purely from my estimates, Pakistan's own 100% indiginous nuclear propulsion could already be under testing....

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whatever floats your bloated ego mate, let us worry about our stuff. btw how many years before india inducts LCA or Arjun or buys Rafael?

During cold war, the NCW capabilities were not as what they are now. More over, let us forget the 14 vessel, ELF, all sort of technical details. Still I am pretty sure that Pakistan Navy is not going to have any SSN even in the next 10 years from today. And SLBM capability not before 8 years. Pakistan may have few Building blocks but turning them into an SSN is not yet possible for Pakistan.
Yes, PN may get on lease a chinese SSN in the coming 10 years. That is highly possible.

Probably that's the information he wanted by persistent (apparent) trolling (but in reality baiting some naïve - my dick is bigger than yours, come see it for yourself) and you fell for it. Bravo.

We have an ELF station at Jinnah Naval base. Perhaps it will satisfy someone ego's who repeatedly asking weather Pakistan has one or not

 

[Screambowl]

I knew about our nuclear sub plans and work since 2009, here is my only hint in 2012.

Can Pakistan produce/acquire these kinds of subs?


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whatever floats your bloated ego mate, let us worry about our stuff. btw how many years before india inducts LCA or Arjun or buys Rafael?

This topic is basically about submarine. India took decades, no one disagrees. But as said by the fellow members from Pakistan, the procurement of weapon by Pakistan is very different, so it would not take any much time. When procuring an SSN was approved in 2006-07, then it's been eight years , buy now It would have been on trials. As the pakistan mastered the miniaturisation of reactor in mid of last decade only.

I am quite sure that Pakistan will install an 58-65MW reactor on it's first submarine, but again it will take 10 years before you get it.

 

[Thorough Pro]

do you have a fetish with 14 vessels and 10 years? your flawed arguments are a perfect example of ignorant denial.

This topic is basically about submarine. India took decades, no one disagrees. But as said by the fellow members from Pakistan, the procurement of weapon by Pakistan is very different, so it would not take any much time. When procuring an SSN was approved in 2006-07, then it's been eight years , buy now It would have been on trials. As the pakistan mastered the miniaturisation of reactor in mid of last decade only.

I am quite sure that Pakistan will install an 58-65MW reactor on it's first submarine, but again it will take 10 years before you get it.

 

[Screambowl]

do you have a fetish with 14 vessels and 10 years? your flawed arguments are a perfect example of ignorant denial.

for the 14 vessel you can search your self. I gave the link on that post. And I also gave a good clarification on the effectiveness of SLCM launched from a Sub, when inducted in a task force through NCW.

 

[SQ8]

During cold war, the NCW capabilities were not as what they are now. More over, let us forget the 14 vessel, ELF, all sort of technical details. Still I am pretty sure that Pakistan Navy is not going to have any SSN even in the next 10 years from today. And SLBM capability not before 8 years. Pakistan may have few Building blocks but turning them into an SSN is not yet possible for Pakistan.
Yes, PN may get on lease a chinese SSN in the coming 10 years. That is highly possible.

And Enduring freedom happened during the cold war strawman?

So with the 14 vessels being proven spurious so far, and the ELF capability an unknown. What other avenues do you have to prove your timeline? After all, that was the original question..
And the PN has no need or want for SSNs.. that is a doctrinal certainty I have. A SSBN or even a SSBK is a different matter.

 

[Screambowl]

We have an ELF station at Jinnah Naval base. Perhaps it will satisfy someone ego's who repeatedly asking weather Pakistan has one or not

That is a VLF transmitter with one tower and other cluster of 9 radars, too small for ELF transmission.