Mahaaz Kashmir LOC Pakistan |24 September 2016 - Dunya News

[Inception-06]

On LOC Pakistan should deploy upgraded 122mm MBRL in numbers to destroy heavy infantry attacks and enemy positions, with various type of munitions' and upgraded range of 40kms those are potent weapons alone with artillery and small drones' like scan eagles, combined with others resourced PA can take care of any IA attack.

The Numbers of MBRL are too low to take them out from our Strike Elements, I gues they will be more needed in the Strike Corps ! Check my post again, I have edited it. Thank you.

 

[Green Ranger]

He might show at russian exercises but that show will air after month or so

 

[Basel]

Good morning sir,

My post should now make sense to u here. post 236.
https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...-through-war-hina-rabbani-khar.436710/page-16

See the distance between both posts in the video between 5:00 to 7:00 minutes. A Pakistani infantry attack will take more than an hour to reach the Indian post. there are mines and obviously Indians can see every movement when LOC is crossed. Thats why i mentioned use of transport helicopters.

Secondly, 106mm RR Gun is a big weapon. the SPG-9 is a smaller 73mm RR gun. It needs a tripod to mount and fire.

Now the heavy weapons like mortar, RPG-7 etc will also needs rounds to be carried it. You can see the terrain, tanks cannot be used.
4 X 4 can be used on dirt tracks or roads, not cross country on mountains under fire. This makes the infantry assault more complicated.


Thank you for sharing, its a very informative video and shows the problems of LOC and conducting infantry operations in this area.

HJ-12 and infantry version of Cirit (70mm laser guided rockets with 8km range) should be procured for infantry.

 

[Inception-06]

Better trained no way. I think you heard it wrong. We are far better trained specially after war on terror even before that our training was far more better but this war on terror has taken both motivation and training to whole new level.

No there is no, we are better trained than they, forget that, this times are over, they have also expirience in fighting a counterinsurgency (just the military point of view in art of war) war since 26 years in the mountains and streets of Kashmir, they also train their troops with other nations, equipping them with high tech equipment and a large numbers of Transport planes and Helicopters. We have to take the indian as a enemy seriously, if they are so weak the whole Kashmir would have been made azad since long time !

 

[Basel]

The Numbers of MBRL are too low to take them out from our Strike Elements, I gues they will be more needed in the Strike Corps ! Check my post again, I have edited it. Thank you.

Pakistan locally produce 122mm MBRLs at KRL so number issue can be solved, and for strike cores there will be mix of 122mm & 300mm MBRLs remember they need longer and heavier fire support to punch through enemy defense lines.

 

[Inception-06]

Pakistan locally produce 122mm MBRLs at KRL so number issue can be solved, and for strike cores there will be mix of 122mm & 300mm MBRLs remember they need longer and heavier fire support to punch through enemy defense lines.

We only produce NOW the Rockets but not the launchers, prodcution did stop long time ago, Yasoob Truck was the carrierr. I cant understand that,I mean 122mm Rocket luancher is not a hightech System, we should have made 200 pieces of this.

 

[Zarvan]

No there is no, we are better trained than they, forget that, this times are over, they have also expirience in fighting a counterinsurgency (just the military point of view in art of war) war since 26 years in Kashmir, they also train their troops with other nations, equipping them with high tech equipment and a large numbers of Transport planes and Helicopters. We have to take the indian as a enemy seriously, otherwise Kashmir would have been ours since long time !

I never underestimate enemy. Pakistan due to less numbers have always focused on hard training. Our training has always been better than them in all three forces. As for counter insurgency yes they are fighting for 26 years and they would keep fighting for next 26 years. Still we are far better in training yes they can have more equipment but this war on terror has also reduced that. We have dealt far more ruthless enemy for past 10 years than any country has. What we need to focus is getting more Air Defence systems. China in past 10 years have come up with at least 15 new Air Defence systems. It's time we go for at least 6 new 3 short range and 3 medium range also we need become partners in helicopter projects of both China and Turkey and also get more from Russia.

 

[Basel]

@Ulla also scan eagle or similar drones will be great asset for battlefield commanders and specially for forward posts commanders allowing them to take rapid and correct decisions and measures.

We only produce NOW the Rockets but not the launchers, prodcution did stop long time ago, Yasoob Truck was the carrierr. I cant understand that,I mean 122mm Rocket luancher is not a hightech System, we should have made 200 pieces of this.

122mm system is built by KRL and they have upgraded it with French support now they can hit targets upto 40km and can have various type of munitions too, truck is not big issue there are many manufacturing units / companies which work with PA and on their demand can provide required truck.

 

[Inception-06]

@Ulla also scan eagle or similar drones will be great asset for battlefield commanders and specially for forward posts commanders allowing them to take rapid and correct decisions and measures.

Yes Of Course your I Idea is brilliant, I would even prefer high altitude drones or air planses, such low and slow flying assets will not remain long time in air, imagne the concentration of low air defence on both side (by the way India is producing the 40mm Bofors gun and Manpads in mass at home, they will trow all this shit ah the LOC).

Last time Pakistan did shoot down Indian drone with G-3 ^^

@Ulla also scan eagle or similar drones will be great asset for battlefield commanders and specially for forward posts commanders allowing them to take rapid and correct decisions and measures.



122mm system is built by KRL and they have upgraded it with French support now they can hit targets upto 40km and can have various type of munitions too, truck is not big issue there are many manufacturing units / companies which work with PA and on their demand can provide required truck.

Yes I know the Yarmuk Rocket very well, the Truck of course not a big deal (HINO our ISUZU), but whats about the Rocket launcher System ?

 

[Basel]

Yes Of Course your I Idea is brilliant, I would even prefer high altitude drones or air planses, such low and slow flying assets will not remain long time in air, imagne the concentration of low air defence on both side (by the way India is producing the 40mm Bofors gun and Manpads in mass at home, they will trow all this shit ah the LOC).

Last time Pakistan did shoot down Indian drone with G-3 ^^



Yes I know the Yarmuk Rocket very well, the Truck of course not a big deal (HINO our ISUZU), but whats about the Rocket launcher System ?

Dear don't underestimate drones like scan eagle, small drone like it flying above 10k feet will not be easy to detect or target by forward positions.

http://www.boeing.com/history/products/scaneagle-unmanned-aerial-vehicle.page

Yes Of Course your I Idea is brilliant, I would even prefer high altitude drones or air planses, such low and slow flying assets will not remain long time in air, imagne the concentration of low air defence on both side (by the way India is producing the 40mm Bofors gun and Manpads in mass at home, they will trow all this shit ah the LOC).

Last time Pakistan did shoot down Indian drone with G-3 ^^



Yes I know the Yarmuk Rocket very well, the Truck of course not a big deal (HINO our ISUZU), but whats about the Rocket launcher System ?

I think it is totally new system now because KRL received new tech from French company and building launchers is not big issue it is usually part of TOT.

 

[Z-A-K]

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[Inception-06]

I never underestimate enemy. Pakistan due to less numbers have always focused on hard training. Our training has always been better than them in all three forces. As for counter insurgency yes they are fighting for 26 years and they would keep fighting for next 26 years. Still we are far better in training yes they can have more equipment but this war on terror has also reduced that. We have dealt far more ruthless enemy for past 10 years than any country has. What we need to focus is getting more Air Defence systems. China in past 10 years have come up with at least 15 new Air Defence systems. It's time we go for at least 6 new 3 short range and 3 medium range also we need become partners in helicopter projects of both China and Turkey and also get more from Russia.

If we are better trained, than you have to explain me our training in defence of our billion dollar assets, the training should have been called:"Base defence, against enemy airborne operations" What we could not do in 1965 India have done it now, explain me where was our training better, when this morons from the Hell destroyed and damaged the ZDK Awacs, Saab Awacs and P3C-Orions:

Would you please so kinde and list me the Type and numbers of assets which have lossed during the Base attacks of TTP, I have forget it, and ah yes dont forget the Lose of the Breguet atlantic plane,which was shoot down by India, where were this Commanders and Generals trained and how good ?

Sorry for off topic, I have lost my self controll, maybe I for my part will never accept this losses !

Dear lovely Brother, my wish list is maybe longer than yours, when it come to military shopping for Pakistan, but I have realized 10 years ago, that we have to use and worke with the assets which we already have. For example, station retired AA Guns in Bunkers at the LOC, bu thats not all what I wanted to write you, I would like now to see you also in the economy section and topics of PDF, because thats the key to get a bigger budge and maybe your SU-35 SSKM !

Sorry for off topic, maybe I for my part will never accept this losses !

regards

 

[Zarvan]

If we are better trained, than you have to explain me our training in defence of our billion dollar assets, the training should have been called:"Base defence, against enemy airborne operations" What we could not do in 1965 India have done it now, explain me where was our training better, when this morons from the Hell destroyed and damaged the ZDK Awacs, Saab Awacs and P3C-Orions:

Would you please so kinde and list me the Type and numbers of assets which wenhave lossed during the Base attacks of TTP, I have forget it, and ah yes dont forget the Lose if the Breguet atlantic plane,which was shoot down by India, where were this Commanders and Generals trained and how good ?



Dear lovely Brother, my wish list is maybe longer than yours, when it come to military shopping for Pakistan, but I have realized 10 years ago, that we have to use and worke woth the assets which we already have. For example, station retired AA Guns in Bunkers at the LOC, by thats not all what I wanted to write you, I would like now to see you also in the economy section and topics of PDF, because thats the key to get a bigger budge and maybe your SU-35 SSKM !

Sorry for off topic, I have lost my self controll !

regards

We were better trained that is how we managed to kick *** in Chawinda. We were better trained that is why MM ALAM took out 5 Indian jets even though India had better Jets. We were better trained that is why despite being most stupid and ill planned operation known as Kargil and despite India using 40000 soldiers and Air Force we still have two highest peaks in Kargil area. We are better trained that is why in 2002 we didn't lost 2000 soldiers like India did without fighting a major war. We are better trained that is why in any attack we didn't took more than few hours to take out enemies unlike out great neighbors who took three days to get rid of 10 terrorists during 26/11. Now as for loosing AWACS and Oil Tanker well that is because first due to inside help secondly because SSW are newly raised unit and they were not that much trained by than and in Naval base attack also it was inside help.

 

[Inception-06]

We were better trained that is how we managed to kick *** in Chawinda. We were better trained that is why MM ALAM took out 5 Indian jets even though India had better Jets. We were better trained that is why despite being most stupid and ill planned operation known as Kargil and despite India using 40000 soldiers and Air Force we still have two highest peaks in Kargil area. We are better trained that is why in 2002 we didn't lost 2000 soldiers like India did without fighting a major war. We are better trained that is why in any attack we didn't took more than few hours to take out enemies unlike out great neighbors who took three days to get rid of 10 terrorists during 26/11. Now as for loosing AWACS and Oil Tanker well that is because first due to inside help secondly because SSW are newly raised unit and they were not that much trained by than and in Naval base attack also it was inside help.

post edited !

@Zarvan by the way The Breguet Br.1150 Atlantic is a long-range maritime patrol aircraft designed and manufactured by Breguet Aviation.

 

[Ghazwa e Hind]

the only showed the basic small arms, they'll never show anything heavier.
the TOWs and HJ-8s would be better bunker busters, they probably have them but there not showing them.

MBRLs, ATGMs, Field Artillery are kind of weapons which can escalate the situation into a war. They retaliate with light weapons.
The anti-aircraft shown in this program is deployed in very small numbers to neutralize indian dominated points. However, if Indians want to create a limited war on LoC like what they did in last 2 years, we will have right to reply with field artillery and Bofor anti-aircraft guns.