Madrassas give 'education of terrorism': BJP MP Sakshi Maharaj

[Biplab Bijay]

"one man's terrorist is another man's revolutionary"

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Whether that man is a human or belongs to an Universal community ?

 

[HariPrasad]

- RSS
- VHP
- BJP
- Brahmo Samaj
- Arya Samaj
- Sang Parivar

All were trained in madarsa ....

Kash They would have been trained in Madrasas. We too would have get rid of Minorities like Pakistan.

 

[HRK]

Kash They would have been trained in Madrasas. We too would have get rid of Minorities like Pakistan.

Whether that man is a human or belongs to an Universal community ?

"Humanity is the ultimate Universal Community"

 

[Biplab Bijay]

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"Humanity is the ultimate Universal Community"

Is this stated by a Human or a man from a specific community ?

 

[HariPrasad]

"Humanity is the ultimate Universal Community"

true but all do not believe in vasudhaiv kutumbakam.

 

[HRK]

In controversial remarks, BJP MP Sakshi Maharaj .

Is this stated by a Human or a man from a specific community ?

Human can understand each other, I can understand your situation and support you ....

may God help all to evolve ....

 

[Biplab Bijay]

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Human can understand each other, I can understand your situation and support you ....

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may God help all to evolve ....

Again same statement. But no action. That is why selective about RSS, VHP but not for JuD, LeT. Is not it ? And I dont think Humanity is selective. Gujurat riots but no Godhra train Burning ? Is not it ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

She should be little bit cautious while expressing her concerns also she should come out with proof n pursue the case as per rule of law.....

Yes, I agree. But then sometimes the truth is a bitter pill that we need to swallow. There are school reforms launched almost every five years. When was the last one launched for the Madrassa boards? In such a scenario, criticism of the archaic policy is welcome.

Again same statement. But no action. That is why selective about RSS, VHP but not for JuD, LeT. Is not it ? And I dont think Humanity is selective. Gujurat riots but no Godhra train Burning ? Is not it ?

Incorrect. It's all relative.

In many matters it is wise for us to just accept that Indian and general 'Pakistani' persepectives will coincide.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Yes, I agree. But then sometimes the truth is a bitter pill that we need to swallow. There are school reforms launched almost every five years. When was the last one launched for the Madrassa boards? In such a scenario, criticism of the archaic policy is welcome.


Incorrect. It's all relative.

In many matters it is wise for us to just accept that Indian and general 'Pakistani' persepectives will coincide.

I know. That is why I asked. Lets see.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

- RSS
- VHP
- BJP
- Brahmo Samaj
- Arya Samaj
- Sang Parivar

All were trained in madarsa ....

Hmmm... let's see...

- RSS : secular cultural nationalism
- VHP : Hindu religious nationalism
- BJP : Political party with a focus on Indian nationalism
- Brahmo Samaj : Hindu reform movement, did away with rituals and even idol worship
- Arya Samaj : Hindu reform movement that did away with medieval practices
- Sang Parivar : An umbrella term that comprises many other orgs

Be it secular, cultural or Hindu etc - these folks would be ineligible to enter a madrassa let alone study in one.

There is a popular perception among many educated well to do Pakistanis, especially the liberal elite(who don't 'hate' all Indians) that RSS/VHP is the Indian equivalent of the TTP!!! It just makes me chuckle at the naive parallel.

I know. That is why I asked. Lets see.

You will get similar answers. And when people run out of answers, you will be banned. Or 'shahid' if you may say so. There is no point in proving anyone right and wrong here. Just learn the perspective and spread the message in the REAL world. This forum, on the other hand is not that important when compared to real life.

 

[HRK]

Again same statement. But no action. That is why selective about RSS, VHP but not for JuD, LeT. Is not it ? And I dont think Humanity is selective. Gujurat riots but no Godhra train Burning ? Is not it ?

Wanna go off topic ....

Dr. Amar Singh, a member of parliament from Samajwadi Party, who spoke with two of the Hindu victims of the train-burning incident in Godhra. They revealed that, "all along the journey these Ramsevaks (the Hindu militants) were behaving like Gundas (thugs). They wouldn't pay for what they had bought from the vendors. On stations they would chant anti-Muslim rhymes and slogans, insulting Muslim Holy places. There was teasing as well of both fellow passengers and women on the platforms." This fact-finding delegation, comprised of Rajbabbar (M.P. Samajwadi), Shabana Azmi (M.P.) and Aziz Burni (Editor of a leading Urdu news paper, Rashtriya Sahara), was one of the first groups to arrive in the strife-torn area. They visited the hospital and there they found these two victims (from a Hindu family) of the Godhra incident.

By the time the train reached Godhra, vendors at the town's station had already heard about the activists' antics and were prepared not to be victimized. Events played out as expected. "When the train reached Godhra, they behaved with the same bad manners. They refused to pay one tea vendor and even after beating him up, they threw him off the train," noted the Hindu eyewitnesses.

But in response to this behavior, the Hindu militants did not find passive tolerance. Instead, a number of young Muslims got on the train as it was pulling out of the station and pulled the emergency brake half a mile away from Godhra's station, right in the midst of a Muslim neighborhood. The fight began with rock throwing from both sides. The compartment carrying the militants was found stockpiled with stones.

While the stone-throwing was going on, apparently some Muslims threw a burning mattress below the compartment of these militants. But the fire spread quickly, not allowing the passengers to run since the compartment was filled with kerosene and cooking gas carried by the passengers.

The above description is based upon several reports in the Indian press. However, Muslims in the area add another point to this sad story. They say things got out of hand when the daughter of an old Muslim man with a small tea stall at the train station was kidnapped. The Hindu militants argued with this old man, beat him up and pulled his beard. The 16-year-old daughter who was also present at the station came forward as her father was being beaten and tried to save him from the Hindu militants. She kept pleading and begging to them to stop beating her father and leave him alone. But instead of listening to her woes, the Hindu militants lifted the young girl, took her inside their compartment and closed its door.

When the train started to move out of the platform of Godhra's railway station while the old man was banging on the compartment doors, pleading for his daughter to be left alone, two other vendors jumped into the last bogey and pulled the emergency break to stop the train. By the time the train halted completely, it was about one kilometer away from the railway station.

These two men then came to the bogey in which the girl was and started to bang at the door asking the militants to release the girl. Hearing the chaos, people in the vicinity near the tracks started to gather near the train. The boys and the mob (which included women) that had now gathered near the compartment requested the Hindu militants to return the girl. But instead of doing this, they started closing their windows. This infuriated the mob and they retaliated by pelting stones at the compartment.

The sections beside compartment S-6 on both sides contained VHP militants. They started attacking the mob which had gathered to save the girl, with long bamboo sticks attached to them. This is when the anger became uncontrollable and some people in the crowd started using diesel and petrol from trucks and rickshaws standing nearby and burned down the compartment.

This story of the girl's kidnapping has not been reported by any newspaper, although most of the other elements were widely reported by the media despite the BJP government's effort to tie the incident to Pakistan. Even the government-owned All India Radio reported that the whole incident was provoked by the traveling Hindu militants. The Radio staff however was reprimanded by the BJP government.

"Both sides were at fault," said a police official here, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The provocation was there and the reaction was strong. But no one had imagined all this would turn into such a big tragedy." B.K. Nanavati, the deputy police superintendent in Godhra, said the investigation does not support the contention by Gujarat's chief minister, Narendra Modi, that the assault on the train was a "terrorist attack."

What Happened In Godhra, Gujurat?


Did the fire in S6 Coach start because someone poured petrol and ignited it? - 6 witnesses tell the story - Truth Of Gujarat

Burning of S6 Coach at Godhra using ‘Petrol’- A Fabricated story - Truth Of Gujarat

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Hmmm... let's see...

- RSS : secular cultural nationalism
- VHP : Hindu religious nationalism
- BJP : Political party with a focus on Indian nationalism
- Brahmo Samaj : Hindu reform movement, did away with rituals and even idol worship
- Arya Samaj : Hindu reform movement that did away with medieval practices
- Sang Parivar : An umbrella term that comprises many other orgs

Be it secular, cultural or Hindu etc - these folks would be ineligible to enter a madrassa let alone study in one.

There is a popular perception among many educated well to do Pakistanis, especially the liberal elite(who don't 'hate' all Indians) that RSS/VHP is the Indian equivalent of the TTP!!! It just makes me chuckle at the naive parallel.


You will get similar answers. And when people run out of answers, you will be banned. Or 'shahid' if you may say so. There is no point in proving anyone right and wrong here. Just learn the perspective and spread the message in the REAL world. This forum, on the other hand is not that important when compared to real life.

I am not afraid of bans. Lets see if there is a sane voice.

 

[Black Widow]

not all madrasas create terrorists but ALL TERRORISTS CREATED BY MADRASAS

Even one madarsa create terrorist is alarming .. Madarsa should and must give education.. I advocate all madarsas to comply with CBSE .

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Wanna go off topic ....

Dr. Amar Singh, a member of parliament from Samajwadi Party, who spoke with two of the Hindu victims of the train-burning incident in Godhra. They revealed that, "all along the journey these Ramsevaks (the Hindu militants) were behaving like Gundas (thugs). They wouldn't pay for what they had bought from the vendors. On stations they would chant anti-Muslim rhymes and slogans, insulting Muslim Holy places. There was teasing as well of both fellow passengers and women on the platforms." This fact-finding delegation, comprised of Rajbabbar (M.P. Samajwadi), Shabana Azmi (M.P.) and Aziz Burni (Editor of a leading Urdu news paper, Rashtriya Sahara), was one of the first groups to arrive in the strife-torn area. They visited the hospital and there they found these two victims (from a Hindu family) of the Godhra incident.

By the time the train reached Godhra, vendors at the town's station had already heard about the activists' antics and were prepared not to be victimized. Events played out as expected. "When the train reached Godhra, they behaved with the same bad manners. They refused to pay one tea vendor and even after beating him up, they threw him off the train," noted the Hindu eyewitnesses.

But in response to this behavior, the Hindu militants did not find passive tolerance. Instead, a number of young Muslims got on the train as it was pulling out of the station and pulled the emergency brake half a mile away from Godhra's station, right in the midst of a Muslim neighborhood. The fight began with rock throwing from both sides. The compartment carrying the militants was found stockpiled with stones.

While the stone-throwing was going on, apparently some Muslims threw a burning mattress below the compartment of these militants. But the fire spread quickly, not allowing the passengers to run since the compartment was filled with kerosene and cooking gas carried by the passengers.

The above description is based upon several reports in the Indian press. However, Muslims in the area add another point to this sad story. They say things got out of hand when the daughter of an old Muslim man with a small tea stall at the train station was kidnapped. The Hindu militants argued with this old man, beat him up and pulled his beard. The 16-year-old daughter who was also present at the station came forward as her father was being beaten and tried to save him from the Hindu militants. She kept pleading and begging to them to stop beating her father and leave him alone. But instead of listening to her woes, the Hindu militants lifted the young girl, took her inside their compartment and closed its door.

When the train started to move out of the platform of Godhra's railway station while the old man was banging on the compartment doors, pleading for his daughter to be left alone, two other vendors jumped into the last bogey and pulled the emergency break to stop the train. By the time the train halted completely, it was about one kilometer away from the railway station.

These two men then came to the bogey in which the girl was and started to bang at the door asking the militants to release the girl. Hearing the chaos, people in the vicinity near the tracks started to gather near the train. The boys and the mob (which included women) that had now gathered near the compartment requested the Hindu militants to return the girl. But instead of doing this, they started closing their windows. This infuriated the mob and they retaliated by pelting stones at the compartment.

The sections beside compartment S-6 on both sides contained VHP militants. They started attacking the mob which had gathered to save the girl, with long bamboo sticks attached to them. This is when the anger became uncontrollable and some people in the crowd started using diesel and petrol from trucks and rickshaws standing nearby and burned down the compartment.

This story of the girl's kidnapping has not been reported by any newspaper, although most of the other elements were widely reported by the media despite the BJP government's effort to tie the incident to Pakistan. Even the government-owned All India Radio reported that the whole incident was provoked by the traveling Hindu militants. The Radio staff however was reprimanded by the BJP government.

"Both sides were at fault," said a police official here, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The provocation was there and the reaction was strong. But no one had imagined all this would turn into such a big tragedy." B.K. Nanavati, the deputy police superintendent in Godhra, said the investigation does not support the contention by Gujarat's chief minister, Narendra Modi, that the assault on the train was a "terrorist attack."

What Happened In Godhra, Gujurat?


Did the fire in S6 Coach start because someone poured petrol and ignited it? - 6 witnesses tell the story - Truth Of Gujarat

Burning of S6 Coach at Godhra using ‘Petrol’- A Fabricated story - Truth Of Gujarat

Cool story Pls start a thread on this and allow me to torpedo it.

The source above shows clearly that our courts are Hindu fascists. Out legislators are same. Our people who voted Modi are the same as well.
You know we are like this. Then why point it out like this? What's the point? You know we are evil, we know we are evil. So where is the difference in opinion? We will continue doing what he have been doing anyway.

 

[HariPrasad]

Wanna go off topic ....

Dr. Amar Singh, a member of parliament from Samajwadi Party, who spoke with two of the Hindu victims of the train-burning incident in Godhra. They revealed that, "all along the journey these Ramsevaks (the Hindu militants) were behaving like Gundas (thugs). They wouldn't pay for what they had bought from the vendors. On stations they would chant anti-Muslim rhymes and slogans, insulting Muslim Holy places. There was teasing as well of both fellow passengers and women on the platforms." This fact-finding delegation, comprised of Rajbabbar (M.P. Samajwadi), Shabana Azmi (M.P.) and Aziz Burni (Editor of a leading Urdu news paper, Rashtriya Sahara), was one of the first groups to arrive in the strife-torn area. They visited the hospital and there they found these two victims (from a Hindu family) of the Godhra incident.

By the time the train reached Godhra, vendors at the town's station had already heard about the activists' antics and were prepared not to be victimized. Events played out as expected. "When the train reached Godhra, they behaved with the same bad manners. They refused to pay one tea vendor and even after beating him up, they threw him off the train," noted the Hindu eyewitnesses.

But in response to this behavior, the Hindu militants did not find passive tolerance. Instead, a number of young Muslims got on the train as it was pulling out of the station and pulled the emergency brake half a mile away from Godhra's station, right in the midst of a Muslim neighborhood. The fight began with rock throwing from both sides. The compartment carrying the militants was found stockpiled with stones.

While the stone-throwing was going on, apparently some Muslims threw a burning mattress below the compartment of these militants. But the fire spread quickly, not allowing the passengers to run since the compartment was filled with kerosene and cooking gas carried by the passengers.

The above description is based upon several reports in the Indian press. However, Muslims in the area add another point to this sad story. They say things got out of hand when the daughter of an old Muslim man with a small tea stall at the train station was kidnapped. The Hindu militants argued with this old man, beat him up and pulled his beard. The 16-year-old daughter who was also present at the station came forward as her father was being beaten and tried to save him from the Hindu militants. She kept pleading and begging to them to stop beating her father and leave him alone. But instead of listening to her woes, the Hindu militants lifted the young girl, took her inside their compartment and closed its door.

When the train started to move out of the platform of Godhra's railway station while the old man was banging on the compartment doors, pleading for his daughter to be left alone, two other vendors jumped into the last bogey and pulled the emergency break to stop the train. By the time the train halted completely, it was about one kilometer away from the railway station.

These two men then came to the bogey in which the girl was and started to bang at the door asking the militants to release the girl. Hearing the chaos, people in the vicinity near the tracks started to gather near the train. The boys and the mob (which included women) that had now gathered near the compartment requested the Hindu militants to return the girl. But instead of doing this, they started closing their windows. This infuriated the mob and they retaliated by pelting stones at the compartment.

The sections beside compartment S-6 on both sides contained VHP militants. They started attacking the mob which had gathered to save the girl, with long bamboo sticks attached to them. This is when the anger became uncontrollable and some people in the crowd started using diesel and petrol from trucks and rickshaws standing nearby and burned down the compartment.

This story of the girl's kidnapping has not been reported by any newspaper, although most of the other elements were widely reported by the media despite the BJP government's effort to tie the incident to Pakistan. Even the government-owned All India Radio reported that the whole incident was provoked by the traveling Hindu militants. The Radio staff however was reprimanded by the BJP government.

"Both sides were at fault," said a police official here, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "The provocation was there and the reaction was strong. But no one had imagined all this would turn into such a big tragedy." B.K. Nanavati, the deputy police superintendent in Godhra, said the investigation does not support the contention by Gujarat's chief minister, Narendra Modi, that the assault on the train was a "terrorist attack."

What Happened In Godhra, Gujurat?


Did the fire in S6 Coach start because someone poured petrol and ignited it? - 6 witnesses tell the story - Truth Of Gujarat

Burning of S6 Coach at Godhra using ‘Petrol’- A Fabricated story - Truth Of Gujarat

Ye Samaj wadi party ka Amar sinh Zaid Hamid ssab ke amrsinh Jaisa hai.

Your post remind me the incident of 3 Ahemdia women burned alive for so called insult of Prophet on a comment of face book.

Fundamentalist mullahs discover the the reason from nowhere for the justification of Heinous crime.