Madras High Court stays execution of Rajiv Gandhi killers

[ashokdeiva]

It seems you have a big heart, but you cannot expect the same from each and every Indian especially those of the family members of victims.

I personally is all for the abolition of capital punishment and instead have the European style 400-500 yrs jail (solitary confinement) with no option for parole type of punishment. I heard in US maximum security prisons the solitary confinement prisoner's only contact with human beings is the hands of the Guard and is allowed out the cell(which has no windows) into a small opening for 2 hours daily in which the prisoner can see nothing but open sky. I think this type of punishment is much more brutal than the capital punishment which will end the suffering in one single stroke.

The purpose of punishment is to make a person to realize that he has done a mistake and has to seek for forgiveness. I am not saying that a person who seeks forgiveness should be freed, but should be evaluated for a longer time, should be given/taught a fair chance of survival when he returns to the society and should be taught the values of contribution. I think that most people who end up in the wrong end of the society by indulging in crimes are product of the society we live in, look around us are we providing moral values to the children at schools, we put them under pressure to score marks in Physics, Chemistry, Maths, etc. but we do not give them the moral value to them that will make them better people.
Apart from Moral values, we have created a society that shows examples of betrayal, hatred, etc. people who do crime to be occupying higher positions in society as examples with tends the young minds to take the wrong path.

 

[ashokdeiva]

Tamils deserve equal rights in Lanka . To that end we all agree and we will do everything to make sure that happens but we can not support a separatist movement in a country which has not done that to India ever in the past .

Pakistan is a different case , They supported the movements in Punjab and still are supporting Kashmir , hence i believe if we are supporting the Balochis it would be the right thing to do . But Sri lanka has never done that to us in the past . In Sri lanka we should just worry about ensuring a good life for Tamils .

Brother, its not like you do some thing to me, I'll do the favaour when my chance comes. The state of East Bengal was given a new name not because of that, its because of the injustice and the growing concern of Genocide and ethnic clensing. If INDRA and MGR lived for another 10 years of their life, Eelam would have been a reality and next to Bangladesh we would have made Eelam a new member of the UN.
Also to your information, if Rajiv had not done the blunders that he did, The Tamils of SL would have been the best friends and asset to INDIA when compared to the hostile Bangladeshi people who breath freedom under our blanket and sacrifise.

 

[cyphercide]

It's unfortunate that the ruling of the Supreme Court is being held hostage by the petty interests of one regional group.

 

[ashokdeiva]

It's unfortunate that the ruling of the Supreme Court is being held hostage by the petty interests of one regional group.

No one is against the Suprem Courts judgment, not even the TN CM comments on the Judicial procedings. And to your info its not one regional group, its almost 40% of a state population.

 

[cyphercide]

No one is against the Suprem Courts judgment, not even the TN CM comments on the Judicial procedings. And to your info its not one regional group, its almost 40% of a state population.

And so to accommodate their preference,the verdict should be scaled back?Thank god it doesn't work that way.There isn't a shot in hell that the Home Ministry is going to advice the President to endorse a pardon.

 

[harpoon]

Brother, its not like you do some thing to me, I'll do the favaour when my chance comes. The state of East Bengal was given a new name not because of that, its because of the injustice and the growing concern of Genocide and ethnic clensing. If INDRA and MGR lived for another 10 years of their life, Eelam would have been a reality and next to Bangladesh we would have made Eelam a new member of the UN.
Also to your information, if Rajiv had not done the blunders that he did, The Tamils of SL would have been the best friends and asset to INDIA when compared to the hostile Bangladeshi people who breath freedom under our blanket and sacrifise.

Whats the guarantee that once Eelam was created, they will not try to 'liberate' TN from India just like some Bangladeshis are dreaming of 'Greater Bangla'? There are enough nutjobs in TN(eg: Vaiko) high on Tamil nationalism and with the help of Tamil Tigers they could stir up troubles in TN. It would like Bhindranwale episode all over again.

 

[ashokdeiva]

And so to accommodate their preference,the verdict should be scaled back?Thank god it doesn't work that way.There isn't a shot in hell that the Home Ministry is going to advice the President to endorse a pardon.

No where in my post I have claimed because of the number of people who demand mercy petition should be the deciding factor. The president should take into consideration of the Prison autorities recomendations on the three convicts behaviour for the last 21 years which itself is a life sentence that they have gone through.

 

[ashokdeiva]

Whats the guarantee that once Eelam was created, they will not try to 'liberate' TN from India just like some Bangladeshis are dreaming of 'Greater Bangla'? There are enough nutjobs in TN(eg: Vaiko) high on Tamil nationalism and with the help of Tamil Tigers they could stir up troubles in TN. It would like Bhindranwale episode all over again.

Brother, you know better than me, quote me a single instance that the Tamil Masses have demostrated to such a demand. The Tamils in SL are brothers to us that does not make us or them to go against the masses. Vaiko is pro-LTTE and anti INDIAN GOVERNMENT on handling the Eelams issue and that does not account for a sepeate Tamil Land out of INDIA.
For your info, I am pro LTTE that does not mean that I am anti INDIAN or I am demanding a seperate Tamil Land out of INDIA. I am happy for the safty INDIA gives to the Tamils in TN and I am proud to call myself INDIAN.

 

[cyphercide]

No where in my post I have claimed because of the number of people who demand mercy petition should be the deciding factor. The president should take into consideration of the Prison autorities recomendations on the three convicts behaviour for the last 21 years which itself is a life sentence that they have gone through.

That distinction isn't for the general public to choose.As long as the death penalty remains in the arsenal of the Judiciary and was promptly served to the accused after due protocol was observed,A recall of said judgement based on selective petitioning after all appeals have been exhausted just isn't possible.Sorry,that's the way the courts work.

 

[harpoon]

Brother, you know better than me, quote me a single instance that the Tamil Masses have demostrated to such a demand. The Tamils in SL are brothers to us that does not make us or them to go against the masses. Vaiko is pro-LTTE and anti INDIAN GOVERNMENT on handling the Eelams issue and that does not account for a sepeate Tamil Land out of INDIA.

The terrorists always have a small minority support, but the beauty of terrorism is that they will use that minority support to antagonize the Govt, which in turn will try to put down them using force which will then antagonize the population and a vicious cycle of violence will begin.If the Eelam is created there is a high chance that the terrorists can get a safe haven there. I am all for the betterment of SL Tamils but against an Eelam state.

 

[ashokdeiva]

That distinction isn't for the general public to choose.As long as the death penalty remains in the arsenal of the Judiciary and was promptly served to the accused after due protocol was observed.Sorry,that's the way the courts work.

Our constituion talks about speedy juditiory, the mercy petition is with the Presidents Office since 2000, WHAT WAS THE PRESICENT DOING, What was the Home minister doing? where they shaving each others beard.
The way these protocols are handled is bull crap. and you know that?
Lets take for example, your neighbour is molesting your women and out of anger you kill the entire neighbours family. The circumstances on which you have killed them is so heavy that the Judgment is a death penality and you go for a mercy apeal, and the President throws in her vaults for 10 years, by the time you have completed a life sentence in Jail. will you not feel that the Government is doing injustice to you.
you need empathy.
The three killed Rajiv because he was a responsible for the injustice to the Tamil population in SL. This is a revenge for accontabilty as i explaind by pulling you as a example above.

 

[ashokdeiva]

The terrorists always have a small minority support, but the beauty of terrorism is that they will use that minority support to antagonize the Govt, which in turn will try to put down them using force which will then antagonize the population and a vicious cycle of violence will begin.If the Eelam is created there is a high chance that the terrorists can get a safe haven there. I am all for the betterment of SL Tamils but against an Eelam state.

This is the same idea that Rajiv was advised with by a National Advisor that resulted in around 40000 Tamils killed in the last few days of the Eelam war by SL forces.
You know better that any thing that is talked against the unity of INDIA is not welcomed in TN. and how come the idea of a Tamils seeking a seperate Land is haunting the others is a big ?

 

[harpoon]

^^ Actually they applied for mercy petition in 1999. I don't understand why it took so long for this petition to be considered. Its criminal that Govt took so long to arrive at a decision.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Brother, its not like you do some thing to me, I'll do the favaour when my chance comes. The state of East Bengal was given a new name not because of that, its because of the injustice and the growing concern of Genocide and ethnic clensing. If INDRA and MGR lived for another 10 years of their life, Eelam would have been a reality and next to Bangladesh we would have made Eelam a new member of the UN.
Also to your information, if Rajiv had not done the blunders that he did, The Tamils of SL would have been the best friends and asset to INDIA when compared to the hostile Bangladeshi people who breath freedom under our blanket and sacrifise.

Well i agree with you but the mistake LTTE made was that it started killing civilians . If it would have continued fighting just the security forces in Lanka then maybe due to all the injustice they faced we may have continued supporting them but once you start killing civilians the line between freedom-fighters and terrorists ends . And i have a problem with supporting terrorists even if they belong to my country , or my religion or my ethnicity .

 

[cyphercide]

Our constituion talks about speedy juditiory, the mercy petition is with the Presidents Office since 2000, WHAT WAS THE PRESICENT DOING, What was the Home minister doing? where they shaving each others beard.
The way these protocols are handled is bull crap. and you know that?
Lets take for example, your neighbour is molesting your women and out of anger you kill the entire neighbours family. The circumstances on which you have killed them is so heavy that the Judgment is a death penality and you go for a mercy apeal, and the President throws in her vaults for 10 years, by the time you have completed a life sentence in Jail. will you not feel that the Government is doing injustice to you.
you need empathy.
The three killed Rajiv because he was a responsible for the injustice to the Tamil population in SL. This is a revenge for accontabilty as i explaind by pulling you as a example above.

That's the silliest hypothesis I've ever heard.Regardless of the circumstances,I'm solely responsible and liable for my actions.My family,friends and community can beat their chests all they want but that doesn't absolve me for the transgressions I perpetrated.Mercy has already been delivered by commuting Nalini's sentence and in my opinion that's as far the establishment must go lest citizens indulging in terrorism think twenty years in the joint is all they're in for.