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Question why do the Japanese dominate the Pakistani Market & not the Chinese

We always had Japanese cars available in Pakistan, I think Corolla was even available in the 60s

Question; why do u Indians ask stupid questions?
Is it out of jealousy as for u we r bunch of cavemen.

Unlike in the 70s when Indian visiting Pakistan used to think they just landed in a western country..now that they got few dollars in their GDP they think Pakistan is poor so how can they afford Japanese cars.
 
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A 125 cc bike for almost 1 lac? Thats bull-$hit.

There is a SEVERE lack of competition in the bike sector in Pakistan then.

You can get a Premium 200cc+ bike here like Pulsar or Karizma for less than that-I think INR 75,000.
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Its not about the competition. Its about the currency value....Indian rupee 75,000 in value is roughly equal to 95000 Pakistani rupee. I once cashed some dollars in Delhi and in Islamabad in one trip. The Pakistani side game me almost 100 rupees per each dollar, while the Indian side gave me like 60 rupees. So Indian currency's value is more due to the strong economy.
 
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Its not about the competition. Its about the currency value....Indian rupee 75,000 in value is roughly equal to 95000 Pakistani rupee. I once cashed some dollars in Delhi and in Islamabad in one trip. The Pakistani side game me almost 100 rupees per each dollar, while the Indian side gave me like 60 rupees. So Indian currency's value is more due to the strong economy.


Try a shitty 750? Cc Suzuki that's selling for over 7.50 lac rs..


P.S back in 2010 .. Dollar was around 50s-60s.
 
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Try a shitty 750? Cc Suzuki that's selling for over 7.50 lac rs..
P.S back in 2010 .. Dollar was around 50s-60s.

So the current government who came in and actually started hundreds of big infrastructure related projects, somehow managed to bring up the dollar from 60 to 100? Common man, there is a limit of bullsheet.

Here are the statistics and as always, they are contradictory to your post. Not sure why you guys lie so much to show the current government inept.

January, 2010: average ratio of the dollar to the Pakistani rupee was 1 dollar to 84.5 rupees.
By December, 2010, the average was 1 dollar to 86 rupees.

The rupee became more expensive because dollar circulating in higher numbers was smuggled out to Dubai and other places like Switzerland and the UK by Zardari and the x-military folks (dollar was abundant due to easy availability in Musharraf's time because of the WOT, majority of which was directed to the Army and the rest went in making certain generals and industrialists happy, vs. putting it into the economy).

The same trend was increased in Zardari's time even more due to terrorists attacks, power outage and all. Many big industries were moved to Bangladesh, Malaysia and all because of unavailability of economic growth.

The current gov't has managed to increase Pakistan's savings to 16 billion +, which hadn't happened in Pakistan's past four decades at the least. Plus over a hundred billion worth of investment that has stated to come in. You should thank someone when they do hard work for the country!!!
 
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We always had Japanese cars available in Pakistan, I think Corolla was even available in the 60s



Unlike in the 70s when Indian visiting Pakistan used to think they just landed in a western country..now that they got few dollars in their GDP they think Pakistan is poor so how can they afford Japanese cars.

So did we in the 60s but they key thing is to increase competition in the Pakistani market & the Chinese car makers aren't investing anything to manufacture in PK,you should let us in the Pakistani market
 
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So did we in the 60s but they key thing is to increase competition in the Pakistani market & the Chinese car makers aren't investing anything to manufacture in PK,you should let us in the Pakistani market

Chinese wont manufacture it, its the responsibility to Pakistani govt to make foreigners invest in a sector and not just export here.
 
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Chinese wont manufacture it, its the responsibility to Pakistani govt to make foreigners invest in a sector and not just export here.

You should allow us to enter Pakistani market,not only is the whole supply infra very near the Pakistani border we will start manufacturing there in no time(Considering the size of the Pakistani market)
 
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Unfair to compare today's Global # 1 Indian economy of today to self inflicted post war Pakistan.

Conversely, unfair to compare 50's to 70's exemplary Pak. economy to Commie India's back then. Pak was a consumer driven economy with near world class goods Vs. Indian license raj which deepened the economy, gave it today's strategic depth sire but the average Indian wore his belt real tight.

Economy, specially the Global media rant over it, was less of an issue then Cold War related security and defence back in the day. Middle East oil boom in the 'hood was the real harbinger of new age Globalisation. Trade, specially HR, and economy followed.

Pakistan's Panda bear hug is a dodgy thing and to mix it with economy re. Chinese investments is tough. Think N. Korea, or think iPhone assembly. Electronic assembly, toys and consumer goods are assembled by girls in China. Conversely, India's IT boom was driven by it's Nehrvian obsession with modernisation and Globalisation.

Long term, India and Iran are Pakistan's best bets. Iran is better off outsourcing to Afghans with language and cultural affinity. Turkey better with Turkic people like Turkmenistan. Sindh and specially Gujarat should tie up with Modi's Gujarat, Karachi, Lahore and Bombay-Delhi are made-for-each-other sister cities. If peace prevails. Think an economy, double-triple the size of Toronto-Boston-New York-Montreal. What a market!

Question why do the Japanese dominate the Pakistani Market & not the Chinese

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Thanks, this speaks volumes.

Suzuki tops the charts re. Indo-Pak. Indian market is x6.5 Pakistan.

Kicker is Suzuki India alone sells 1 Lakh/mnth. Including exports. That's entire Pak. sales/yr.

Otherwise, going by the Suzuki index; @ 6.5 market size of Pak, SuzukI Maruti sales should be around 8 Lakh. It sells abone a million under strong pressure from Nissan and Hyundai in the mass market and Tata, Toyota and specially Mahindra in the 'jeep-minivan' higher end markets and Bajaj auto-rickshaw, Tata Ace and Piggott in the lower markets. Also Fiat, Ford, GM, VW-Skoda and Renault.

Puts to the lie India is poo re. cars, fact is consumer lower middle to upper middle class is huge in India. Auto Co.'s rack Global level sales numbers in India specially if you include exports.
 
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You should allow us to enter Pakistani market,not only is the whole supply infra very near the Pakistani border we will start manufacturing there in no time(Considering the size of the Pakistani market)

No offense but Indian manufacturers have precious little clue about the quality requirements of markets like Pakistan or Bangladesh where high quality Japanese imports in an open market have been the norm since the early sixties - unlike in India. According to most car-buyers in Bangladesh they don't consider them anywhere near Japanese quality and would not buy them even discounted. A common refrain was "egulo to garir jat-i na".

When my relatives drove one of the Bangladesh-manufactured Vauxhall Viva into Kolkata after 1971, it was such a shock to the locals there (compared to their antiquated Padmini Premier and Ambassadors) that they started inquiring whether they could import them. Back then you had to start a 'booking' on a car in India and wait years and years to get delivery. And what you got in the end was a piece of garbage, indifferently put together with shoddy paint.

Nowadays thanks to industrialization - Indian models are a bit more modern but price-wise you get basically flimsy pieces of rust-prone sheet metal with no safety. Euro NCAP tested five of the most popular Indian hatchbacks and the results were horrendous - garnering zero stars in the end. I quote,

"the vehicle structures proved inadequate and collapsed to varying degrees, resulting in high risks of life-threatening injuries to the occupants. The extent of the structural weaknesses in these models were such that fitting airbags would not be effective in reducing the risk of serious injury."

Even for some models (such as the Suzuki Swift) which is made in countries other than India - the test results were way better for Non-Indian models. So the lesson is - don't trust or buy into cheapened Indian manufacturing standards unless you want to be in a death-trap. Of course the future may change things but this is the way things are now.

"The crash analysis showed the crash-test-dummies having sustained near-fatal injuries, more so in the case of the driver. The car's structural integrity was also deemed as unstable. And this is a key point, given the made-in-Europe Swift has a much sturdier structure and had achieved a 5-Star crash certification from Euro-NCAP."

Now Maruti Swift & Datsun Go Fail NCAP Crash Tests - News

India's best selling cars fail Global NCAP safety test - News

Watch the following where the crash dummies are hitting the dash and the steering wheel in all these models without fail,


Need I go on and on?
 
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Indian manufacturers have precious little clue about the quality requirements of Pakistani and Bangladeshi customers? ha ha Save it!

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hand imports are the norm in your country, Bilal9; not brand new vehicles mind you. Only a handful of 'zero metre' vehicles are ever imported into either country, just like they were in India before the economy opened up in the early 90s, so let's stop with the "damn! we had it so much better than the Indians back in the day when their import and manufacturing policies were inward-looking". The answer to everything lies in the statement in quotes. It is much better to have a massive manufacturing base, with quality and technology improving on a regular basis, than an economy based on used imports (reconditioned discarded vehicles from other countries).
 
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Indian manufacturers have precious little clue about the quality requirements of Pakistani and Bangladeshi customers? ha ha Save it!

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hand imports are the norm in your country, Bilal9; not brand new vehicles mind you. Only a handful of 'zero metre' vehicles are ever imported into either country, just like they were in India before the economy opened up in the early 90s, so let's stop with the "damn! we had it so much better than the Indians back in the day when their import and manufacturing policies were inward-looking". The answer to everything lies in the statement in quotes. It is much better to have a massive manufacturing base, with quality and technology improving on a regular basis, than an economy based on used imports (reconditioned discarded vehicles from other countries).

OK I'll give it to you - India now does have a massive manufacturing base. But I'd debate whether it is to substitute imports or some grand desh-premi strategy by someone in a position to control and 'take Shining India forward'.

It's all a question of money. Everyone in the car-making world knows that the Indian domestic car market is far from saturated and that's where the focus is for now, just like in China. The world's auto majors are targeting the local Indian market because for decades upon decades there was no demand because of lackluster economic growth. Upping indigenous content and building more factories and manufacturing base is a strategy by auto-majors to contain costs and increase profit.

The technology to make a car is not in the rocket-science category. There is no grand 'achievement' here. If you can make more money by bringing in CKD knockdown kits and assembling them using cheap labor then companies will always do it compared to importing whole cars.

No offense - if you saw the video which I posted above - where 90% plus of all India made cars failed the NCAP test - then you'd get why car buyers in Bangladesh are so averse to buying an India-made vehicle (even after the fact that they sometimes cost on average less than re-conditioned JDM vehicles). It is not because they have any grand 'hate' scheme for Indian products. The ladies are still buying all manner of Indian clothing. Boys are buying Indian motorbikes. Industrialists are setting up massive spinning mills using Indian machinery - because they are cheaper.

By your comments I get the sense you have been to Dhaka - then you must have seen what I mean. Indian cars have to up the ante quite a bit to gain the confidence of Bangladeshi buyers - that is, if Indian manufacturers are interested in it. Hero Honda's JV with Nitol already came online for motorcycle assembly. Bajaj and HMSI are to follow soon. These are happening because the quality is there.

The buyer for Indian passenger vehicles and re-conditioned JDM vehicles in Bangladesh are the same, the bottom third of the market. Everyone in Bangladesh is not a re-conditioned car buyer anymore.

Sorry for my off-topic segway...
 
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Your nextgen hybrid car will be purely Pakistani


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ISLAMABAD: The government had promised to import small hybrid cars – 1,000 cc to 1,200 cc – but the multi-billion dollar monopolists prevailed. This year’s budget had no hint of hybrid cars to conserve energy.

Whether the Japanese-made hybrids make it to the Pakistani roads or otherwise, the road-scape of the country is set to change for the better. Air-conditioned, equipped with a GPS tracking system and strong, all-weather frame are just a few characteristics of your next travelling companion. The new made-in-Pakistan cars and commuter vans will run on anything but hydrocarbons.

Yet it won’t be a typical solar-driven car too. The next generation hybrid can consume an assortment of energies, some which you won’t even be able to name. Besides solar, the long list of its fuels includes kinetic, organic cell, pneumatic, magnetic generator and even external electrical or battery charging. The man behind the idea is no MIT-graduate but an engineer with no fancy degree or alumni. Aslam Azad has made his name in the field of air conditioning. Sans an elaborate marketing team, the Shaikhupura native has pioneered in designing and manufacturing of energy saving central heating system since 1997 using brand name ‘Economia’.

He drives to his office in first prototype Eco 1. The doorless two-seater is so unassuming to be boasting its promise of the future. Parked next to brand new SUVs and sedans, this yet un-branded car still makes a statement. While its neighboring vehicles turn into ovens, the ‘new hybrid’ refuels itself. “I have used the best possible battery which charge faster while providing higher outut,” explains Aslam, while clarifying that the standard batteries can’t run a car like his invention to longer distance and faster speeds.

Like it or not, long queues of CNG-starving cars may fade into a dark memory of the past. This all is for real, subject to a few ifs and buts. True to his claims, Aslam’s office is a true clean energy geek. His office is wired with a solar power generation system while diesel generators’ signature howling rips through eardrums in the capital’s ugly business sector, bizarrely called Blue Area. Though ‘Economia’ has launched three models of his Eco cars for booking online, the vehicle is due next year. Matching the performance and safety specifications of any imported or locally-made 1,000 cc car, the smallest Eco 1 is priced four times less than its competitors.

“We are working to improve its speed from 60 kilometers but there won’t be anything you’ll miss in this vehicles,” Aslam promises in his polite and low-profile demeanor. He is eyeing to produce 1 million taxis to act his brand ambassadors while saving money and reducing the nation’s oil import bill. “This makes excellent business sense and the sky is the limit for us,” he explains. So far, high on rhetoric but low on vision commercial banks have shied away from working with the inventors of Economia.

Aslam believes in respecting patents, thus everything in the country’s first next generation hybrid car will be genuinely original. “Had this not been the case, I would have brought the cars on our road say five years ago. Respect for intellectual property rights helps you a long way in innovation and business both,” he passionately elucidates. The Japanese made coasters or commuters vans plying between the twin cities and elsewhere in the country have a more promising competitor from the public’s perspective. The 12-seater alternate resembles a golf-cart but has greater leg and head room than the most vans ‘serving’ the people.

He plans to build public waiting areas along the Metro route with dual purpose of being electric charging station for his solar hybrid cars or taxis. Some 30-odd taxi stands-cum-waiting areas will be constructed on busy point like Kulsoom Plaza, Shaheed Millat, NIC Building, Centaurus, PIMS, 9Th Avenue Junction, Karachi Company, Peshawar More, Industrial Area, IJP Junction Faizabad etc. Aslam plans have a network of franchises across the country, offering training, sale and spare part services. “The owner will receive one-day training to drive and maintain the car while serving and repair won’t be possible with our un-certified mechanics,” he explains the rationale behind the decision.

The smallest of his cars’ range has proven many road tests by expert engineers and scientists. While its solar cells can stand a revolver shot fired from 10-meter distance, the vehicle can carry a load of 1,200 kg. “It’s going to be a roaring success. I can confidently tell you so,” said COMSATS Rector Dr S M Junaid Zaidi after driving the car during an expo in Islamabad. Thanks to positive reviews the car, which is not final version but a prototype, has received so far, it’s just the beginning, says ambitious but patient Aslam.

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Your nextgen hybrid car will be purely Pakistani
 
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Bilaal9, I know a lot about the issue and also agree with you re. death trap quality, having been in such an accident myself and still carry the marks for it.

The issue was that in Socialist India, cars were a no-no. Cars are classified luxury. Not for the common man.

Indias # 1 asset has always been steel. Steel and cotton made it the Golden Bird. How to seĺl or market steel then?

Govt. 1'st put in a bicycle industry. Then agri. pumps, scooter, mopeds. Then jeeps and tractors. And buses and trucks. Rail. Ships. Pipes. Sheets. All steel.

The above was developed systematically and a reasonable eco system was initiated. Tech. was developed by engine size. Today Indian Co.'s are class leaders in size and tech. in above while many Global or EU-US ones went under. I am even noticing innovation like dual use tractors for power gen., disc brakes and electric vehicles. I have personally driven the Reva electric. Wow!

Only then, some 25 yrs. ago the govt. got into cars. Again I ndia is now world's top small car producer with 3-4 of the biggest small car plants in the world and many more of other sizes.

Demand driven dynamics. Speeds on Indian roads were nothing to talk about till decent roads came up recently.

Yes Bang. and Pak. bought Global cars, my father bought a Corolla in Pak. and drove it to India 2-3 decades ago.

India's auto industey is worth $ 100's of billions with massive exports, Global investments, massive employment but also enough commissions to govt. that it set up half a dozen test tracks with safety centers etc. I recently read that now they are focusing on safety too.

Segway, re. your last line, China Co. bought it already.
 
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I thought this looked interesting. Intro'd at the 2015 auto show in Faisalabad.

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By comparison, the newest TVS Auto-rickshaw (India),

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Fantastic on Pak, problem both Pak and TVS are concepts while Bajaj rules the market.
 
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