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Their leaders are saying they have no affiliation with BLA or with Taliban and they are all patriotic Pakistanis then why are we fighting them? They have also said they would lay down their arms against the Army but not the police since Police reports to the PPP government.

They said all the weapons they have they have licenses issued to them by the PPP government to fight the MQM. Now that PPP and MQM are allied they have collectively decided to move against Lyari the people who supported PPP in a die hard manner.

End this violent operation and let them give themselves to the Army, send a small team of SSG who will collect them and try them in a court of law. Why are we jumping the gun all the time and moving in with Armored Vehicles.

Rehman Malik is exacerbating the situation by coming on TV and saying this is nothing he will soon move on to indiscriminate firing. This is not the way the government fights crime, this is the way an Al Qaeda leader speaks.
 
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They have also said they would lay down their arms against the Army
They say=/ They will
The people that are being acted against are the Drug/Land Gangs. Sadly, since it's the PPP, they're operating against one faction while letting the friendly faction still exist
 
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Regardless of right and wrong of the operation; anyone who fights a state agency with guns is an enemy of the state.

Here is a case where a section of the population is fighting a war with the police! They have been asked many times to lay down their weapons but they refuse to do so and shoot at
police with grenades and AK-47s. What would any civilised person call them if not criminals and anti-state?

Only in Pakistan politicians as well as a section of population dares to actually supports them and call police the criminals instead!

What do you guys want Police to do? Should police let these criminals carry on their nefarious activities without obstruction?

It appears that a lot of us have no respect for the law enforcing agencies; and we dare call that West has double standards. If you don’t like the police, fire the lot of them and higher new ones. But in a civilised society

ANY ONE WHO FIGHTS GOV’T LAW ENFORCING AGENCY WITH FIRE ARMS IS A CRIMINAL.

Apparently my countrymen have their own interpretations of the law. No wonder Gilani is ignoring SC and Nawaz Sharif engineerred attack on the Supreme Court itself?
 
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The thing we need to understand here is that these criminals or terrorists are all political terrorists. Mr. SOB Rahman Malik is lying again & again & fooling Pakistani people by telling them that there are TTP & other terrorists hiding in there many be that SOB is correct but at the same time it is hard to believe because we know that Sindh, Karachi has & have always been a victim of political wars. PPP, ANP & MQM are the real criminals & terrorists who have destroyed the peace of Sindh province mainly Karachi.
 
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Regardless of right and wrong of the operation; anyone who fights a state agency with guns is an enemy of the state.

Here is a case where a section of the population is fighting a war with the police! They have been asked many times to lay down their weapons but they refuse to do so and shoot at police with grenades and AK-47s. What would any civilised person call them if not criminals and anti-state?

They are willing to submit to the state but the state is also being governed by the very people who told them to be anti-state previously, gave them weapons to fight MQM. Now that PPP and state have aligned their interest they are going after anti-MQM factions of Lyari. It is messed up but if the group is still willing to submit to at least some authority of the state (that it trusts, i.e. Army) what is the harm of ending this feud today by sending in the Army?

Unless of course the party that runs the state is afraid of what all may come out if Balochs and the other individuals are taken in alive. The idea here by the PPP is to not let anyone come out of this alive.

I agree that no one should fight with the state and the only reason I am speaking for them in this case is that they have started the discussion by sayin gthey want to submit to the state but to a particular institution they trust.
 
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They are fighting the state. No ambiguity should be there in this regard. They are enemies of the state.

Now , who is the state or leader f the state is another issue, but killing police officers is no way to go around.

They have said that they will surrender to rangers, but that makes no sense. When you have RPG's, anti aircraft guns, and heavy ammo, you don't have a mindset of surrendering. Rehman malik on tv now.

Rehman Malik saying that I used good tactics to stop them from using rockets on Cheel Chowk!!!

This guy is turning into a joke.

Rehman Malik saying that we will not let them get a safe haven under the umbrella of PML(n).

But Asim, now rangers are in Lyari, and Uzair baloch should now surrender, but he is not doing anything for the last 2 days.

And this is wrong, this is the call of the state, now would we let terrorists dictate terms in these kind of situations? okay, Baloch, you make your call that to whom you want to surrender. This is wrong. Either surrender, or get killed.
 
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layari operation was done because of MQM and rehman malik ,because baloch of layari were protesting against the americans for Salala check post and these baloch were in favour of pakistan army ....and balochon ne american flag hataya tha american consulate se & Pakistani flag host kiya tha, and due to this harkat nei pori ANTI-Pakistan forces k hosh oradiye thei, q k uno nei Balocho ko Pakistan se nafrat karwane k liye bhot funding ki thi & wo sari nakam hogai & is se show howa k Baloch Pro Pakistan hei, so thats why its a punish from ppp & mqm & all american funded parties for peoples of Liyari!
 
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It seems that nobody exactly know what is going on in Lyari. I watched a political show last night on a TV channel in which, among others, Uzair Baloch and Sharmeela Farooqi were also invited. After watching that show I have now more faith in the words uttered by Uzair Baloch than in the verbal Diarrohea of Sharmeela Farooqi and all her ilk. One question remains: Once this operation is over, will Uzair Baloch and his "saathis" take out one by one every single police officer involved in this operation, à la MQM?
 
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its a political operation because all gangs are not targetted, but still the targeted ones are the criminals and gangsters

deweaponise these guys peacefully if thats how they want and then try them in court
 
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They are willing to submit to the state but the state is also being governed by the very people who told them to be anti-state previously, gave them weapons to fight MQM. Now that PPP and state have aligned their interest they are going after anti-MQM factions of Lyari. It is messed up but if the group is still willing to submit to at least some authority of the state (that it trusts, i.e. Army) what is the harm of ending this feud today by sending in the Army?

Unless of course the party that runs the state is afraid of what all may come out if Balochs and the other individuals are taken in alive. The idea here by the PPP is to not let anyone come out of this alive.

I agree that no one should fight with the state and the only reason I am speaking for them in this case is that they have started the discussion by sayin gthey want to submit to the state but to a particular institution they trust.

1) By allowing terrorists the liberty to choose their own preferred LEA, sorry the Military instead of any LEA what precedent do you want to set for the country and all other terrorists/criminals?

2) Should terrorists, and by definition of the word, criminals who have terrorized Liyari and overall Karachi for the past 20 years be allowed to go scott free just because they have advanced weapons to fight with?

3) Who are these criminals with money on their heads? Are they law abiding citizens or are they elements of the society who have been involved in drugs, weapons, land grabbing, kidnappings, murders, extortion, kidnappings, bomb blasts and grenade attacks etc.? What do civilized countries do with such criminals?

4) So PPP is going after anti MQM elements in Liyari despite these elements being die hard PPP supporters? So your logic tells you that PPP is going after her own die hard loyalists just because if MQM? Hmmm......

5) Before you continue with more such posts, let me tell you what is going on because living abroad there's only so much you can really get from GEO. Uzair Baloch wants to be nominated the PPP representative for the NA seat in Liyari but the seat has always been contested by top most PPP leadership such as Bhutto, Benazir and Nabeel Gabol. It is expected that Bilawal will run from this constituency next time.

6) Peoples Aman Committee was formed by Zulfiqar Mirza primarily against MQM and Karachi overall. The aim was to bring the baddest of the bad under 1 umbrella that would be protected by PPP and Home Department. PAC attracted hardened criminals from Liyari gang wars, Haqiqi, ANP and some banned religious parties as they were provided immunity from law by Zulfiqar Mirza.

7) PAC gradually started flexing muscles and started a tsunami of extortion, blackmail, terrorism, executions, kidnappings etc. that sent Karachi in chaos multiple times over. It forced the Business community in Karachi to take up matters with MQM/PPP leadership. The extreme terrorism of PAC eventually led to the fall of Zulfiqar Mirza and after him PPP tried her best to control PAC. But the criminals, now too big even for PPP, kept up their terrorism which eventually led to this operation. There was no other option for PPP.

8) Good thing, you were never captured by any of these 'criminals with rights' as they wouldn't have awarded you any. Best leave the real analysis to us, people who live in Karachi!

layari operation was done because of MQM and rehman malik ,because baloch of layari were protesting against the americans for Salala check post and these baloch were in favour of pakistan army ....and balochon ne american flag hataya tha american consulate se & Pakistani flag host kiya tha, and due to this harkat nei pori ANTI-Pakistan forces k hosh oradiye thei, q k uno nei Balocho ko Pakistan se nafrat karwane k liye bhot funding ki thi & wo sari nakam hogai & is se show howa k Baloch Pro Pakistan hei, so thats why its a punish from ppp & mqm & all american funded parties for peoples of Liyari!

Layari operation was done because of MQM, and not because these criminals were terrorizing Karachi, and not because they are armed to the teeth with heavy and illegal weapons, not because these criminals were involved in extortion, kidnappings etc. Hmm.....ok.

For the other readers of this thread, these are not even Baloch in reality, they are Makrani....Ask a baloch, any real Baloch and they will deny any lineage with Makranis! Just a point to consider when reading the post about Americans and Baluch and what not!

It seems that nobody exactly know what is going on in Lyari. I watched a political show last night on a TV channel in which, among others, Uzair Baloch and Sharmeela Farooqi were also invited. After watching that show I have now more faith in the words uttered by Uzair Baloch than in the verbal Diarrohea of Sharmeela Farooqi and all her ilk. One question remains: Once this operation is over, will Uzair Baloch and his "saathis" take out one by one every single police officer involved in this operation, à la MQM?

I would support OB and his supporters to take out all police officers of this operation, like MQM, if the police officers were involved in kidnappings and extrajudicial murders of innocents and their family members. However, if the criminals are being targeted then I am quite saddened at your thinking.
 
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Yesterday, Baloch said that he will contest elections if His Royal Highness Bilawal came, or anyone else came to contest elections.

BTW, can His Royal Highness Bilawal even contest elections???

And thanks for the info about PAC Mav3rick!

So that was the real reason Zulfiqar Mirza was on a rage. because of the PAC issues.
 
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first thing first

1) define terrorists?

2) if these so called terrorists carry guns & have people support should they be labelled terrorists?

IF your answered is YES then ANP & MQM are also terrorists of no lesser degree then the terrorists of liyari. BECAUSE liyari terrorists have people support & carry guns just like ANP & PPP do!

the major issue here is that PAC had become so strong that PPP felt that its man NABEEL GABOL might be threatned hence PPP planned to wipe out a threat which well suits the purpose of MQM convinently!
 
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first thing first

1) define terrorists?

2) if these so called terrorists carry guns & have people support should they be labelled terrorists?

IF your answered is YES then ANP & MQM are also terrorists of no lesser degree then the terrorists of liyari. BECAUSE liyari terrorists have people support & carry guns just like ANP & PPP do!

the major issue here is that PAC had become so strong that PPP felt that its man NABEEL GABOL might be threatned hence PPP planned to wipe out a threat which well suits the purpose of MQM convinently!

Although political reasons are there in the operation, but anybody carrying a gun is a terrorist. ANP, MQM or anybody.

Everyone regards MQM as terrorists!
 
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Although political reasons are there in the operation, but anybody carrying a gun is a terrorist. ANP, MQM or anybody.

Everyone regards MQM as terrorists!

YES everyone regard MQM as terrorists but NO ONE says ANP,PPP are saints! but MQM boys are always trying to prove that they carry guns for "protection" while anyone else who carries a gun is a criminal! the point is EVERY POLITICAL PARTY with a GUN is a terrorist party! POLITICS and weapons shouldn't be mixed!

ANP & PPP are a phenomenon of the last 4 years but MQM had guns from 90s and during muhsarraf's era we saw 12th MAY! which fortunately our media exposed & MQM didn't expect.
 
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YES everyone regard MQM as terrorists but NO ONE says ANP,PPP are saints! but MQM boys are always trying to prove that they carry guns for "protection" while anyone else who carries a gun is a criminal! the point is EVERY POLITICAL PARTY with a GUN is a terrorist party! POLITICS and weapons shouldn't be mixed!

ANP & PPP are a phenomenon of the last 4 years but MQM had guns from 90s and during muhsarraf's era we saw 12th MAY! which fortunately our media exposed & MQM didn't expect.

Again with the MQM BS??? What sadistic treatment was meted out to you by MQM I can only imagine. But here, can we please focus on PAC and Liyari instead of derailing the thread again????
 
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