LUMS - becoming a leftist militant breeding ground ?

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LUMS is on leased Dha land

LUMS is on a land gifted by US consulate..The gave Syed Babar Rockefeller $10 million back in 1988.

 

[Mentee]

LUMS is on a land gifted by US consulate..The gave Syed Babar Rockefeller $10 million back in 1988.

Come again, Syed Rockefeller?

Pakistan is now a breeding ground of snake heads....
Time to bring a strict dictator who will shove a danda in every hole of a snake.

And accommodate his tribe and friends besides creating a power vacuum later on. No thank you we are better off with any system than a he man persona

 

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Come again, Syed Rockefeller?

Yes dear.. You are right what you are thinking about..

 

[Aasimkhan]

LUMS is on a land gifted by US consulate..The gave Syed Babar Rockefeller $10 million back in 1988.

Some of the land to LUMS was gifted by Army by Corps Commander Humayun Khan Bangash whose daughter Maleeha Bangash (sibling of famous singer Zeb Bangash) was studying in LUMS in those years back in 1990-93 years. Before that LUMS used to be near Hussain Chowk in Gulberg.

 

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Some of the land to LUMS was gifted by Army by Corps Commander Bangash whose daughter Maleeha Bangash was studying in LUMS in those years back in 1990-93 years. Before that LUMS used to be near Hussain Chowk in Gulberg.

DHA was facilitator so makes sense.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Nothing wrong with calling for an end to the media crackdown, extrajudicial kidnappings and detention, right to organise and have student unions (as all students do globally), calling for an end to heavy handed establishment interference, defending the right to protest and to free speech.

A lot of these students also have very particular issues they want to raise. Regarding university administration and accommodation etc.

All of these are reasonable positions and one doesn’t need to be a leftist to support them.

I don’t know where this absurd idea came from in Pakistan that universities aren’t politicised elsewhere in the world, that student unions are apolitical, and that students should not protest or be seditious. Come see what happens on UK university campuses and globally, they protest and organise freely, student unions are elected and represent student’s interests and their politics. Students in the UK even have national political groups and student unions.

 

[FuturePAF]

Nothing wrong with calling for an end to the media crackdown, extrajudicial kidnappings and detention, right to organise and have student unions (as all students do globally), calling for an end to heavy handed establishment interference, defending the right to protest and to free speech.

A lot of these students also have very particular issues they want to raise. Regarding university administration and accommodation etc.

All of these are reasonable positions and one doesn’t need to be a leftist to support them.

I don’t know where this absurd idea came from in Pakistan that universities aren’t politicised elsewhere in the world, that student unions are apolitical, and that students should not protest or be seditious. Come see what happens on UK university campuses and globally, they protest and organise freely, student unions are elected and represent student’s interests and their politics. Students in the UK even have national political groups and student unions.

Students should be political on campus, struggle to argue their causes, speak truth to power, but not in a seditious manner. Reform the state, don’t over throw it. Fight from within the law.

I’m not saying these students are seditious, and perhaps the majority of PTM members are standing up for their rights in a legal manner, but these are the people who are best placed to reform society from within. The are well educated, well connected, and have the means to amplify there message far and wide. With great power comes great responsibility; I just hope they exercise their power and influence responsibly.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Students should be political on campus, struggle to argue their causes, speak truth to power, but not in a seditious manner. Reform the state, don’t over throw it. Fight from within the law.

I’m not saying these students are seditious, and perhaps the majority of PTM members are standing up for their rights in a legal manner, but these are the people who are best placed to reform society from within. The are well educated, well connected, and have the means to amplify there message far and wide. With great power comes great responsibility; I just hope they exercise their power and influence responsibly.

I’m glad you’re approaching this sensibly.

However, one comment I’ll make on this. Sedition is what led to democratisation of Europe. People didn’t change to become less seditious, the governance structure changed to allow discussion of what was previously considered seditious thought.

When our people criticise authority it is branded seditious. In any true democracy, their views would be allowed and valid. It would not be branded seditious.

This is a ‘which came first, chicken or the egg?’ scenario.

Some protests are only seen as seditious if the powers are too draconian. If same protest is applied elsewhere in a freer society/polity, then it’s not considered seditious.

 

[FuturePAF]

I’m glad you’re approaching this sensibly.

However, one comment I’ll make on this. Sedition is what led to democratisation of Europe. People didn’t change to become less seditious, the governance structure changed to allow discussion of what was previously considered seditious thought.

When our people criticise authority it is branded seditious. In any true democracy, their views would be allowed and valid. It would not be branded seditious.

This is a ‘which came first, chicken or the egg?’ scenario.

Some protests are only seen as seditious if the powers are too draconian. If same protest is applied elsewhere in a freer society/polity, then it’s not considered seditious.

I agree that sensible protest can be seen as seditious to a government that is too draconian. This is why, I believe they should better articulate their viewpoints and put it to the government, to hear their response. Let the government respond to their argument with a counter argument. The current government may see the logic to arguments and make the needed reforms. If they don’t they can take their cause to the people, and if they win support there, they are get their issues added to the platform of a party challenge the government in the next election. Either way, they should reform the system from within, if there are legals means at their disposal. I don’t believe they have exhausted all of their legal means.

 

[Jungibaaz]

I agree that sensible protest can be seen as seditious to a government that is too draconian. This is why, I believe they should better articulate their viewpoints and put it to the government, to hear their response. Let the government respond to their argument with a counter argument. The current government may see the logic to arguments and make the needed reforms. If they don’t they can take their cause to the people, and if they win support there, they are get their issues added to the platform of a party challenge the government in the next election. Either way, they should reform the system from within, if there are legals means at their disposal. I don’t believe they have exhausted all of their legal means.

You’ll disagree with me on this, but I know for a fact that the current system will not even allow open dissent or criticism of it, let alone reform.

I know this is not possible, but if I were to ask you to go to a journalist and ask them what would happen if they criticised the establishment too directly in their publications. They would recount either personal examples of censorship, or they might even give you examples of people they know who were ‘picked up’ and warned not to openly criticise the army or the government on certain matters.

One wonders what sort of meeker reform and non seditious reform might take place in a system that is so averse to dissenting opinion or pointing out facts.

 

[jamahir]

What's wrong with being a "a leftist militant"

Nothing wrong in it. Mandela used to be one.

Below is another. The great Carlos, presently in a French jail :

Business students should be encourage to take Arts Minors. Gives them something creative and productive to do.

Agreed.

The old adage; if your not a leftie when your 20 you don’t have a heart, but if your still a leftie when your 30 you don’t have a brain.

That's quite a cynical adage.

i think these leftists r those who smoke ice

I am a Leftist and I don't smoke even a cigarette.

Cant afford another Al-Zulfiqar

I tell my folks..there used to be a time when leftist liberals used to be the daeish/AQ of world

Incorrect comparison.

they had their own sucide squad

Really ??

had idiots who used to proudly call themselves soldiers of che and the red flag(khooni inqilab)

What's wrong with that ??

Most of them got trained in Afghanistan,India,Libya, Egypt, Syria and Iraq.

India ??

They were pretty strong in Pakistan back in 70s..but thanks to Zia ul Haq you know..he is the man..Thats why Dawn and khooni liberal hate him.

And thanks to Zia, Pakistan still as the Red Mosque and the TTP and the Tableeghis.

Most of them are offspring's of Military men. Go back either their fathers or grandfathers have served. The most Anti-Pakistan People i have ever met were either Extremely Religious folks who didnt believe in the modern day Borders but even then they didnt hate its people but the most vile type of hatred i have seen for the people, culture and state of Pakistan is from this lot they despise everything about them.

Even Leftists too don't believe in borders, and that's nothing wrong. Humanity is one and borders are artificial. Please read my signature.

 

[Dalit]

LUMS, Quaid-i-Azam University etc. These are not leftists. These academics are anarchists. I have met a few here in The Netherlands. Their mindset is extremely dangerous. The most dangerous part is they are funded by foreign embasssies. Some of them visit foreign countries on exchange programs and develop new worse ideas regarding the state. They get more extreme and stubborn.

Anyone who supports PTM is not here to protest for peace and stability. Anyone who supports PTM has a clear objective to undermine the Pakistani state.

 

[jamahir]

LUMS, Quaid-i-Azam University etc. These are not leftists. These academics are anarchists. I have met a few here in The Netherlands. Their mindset is extremely dangerous. The most dangerous part is they are funded by foreign embasssies. Some of them visit foreign countries on exchange programs and develop new worse ideas regarding the state. They get more extreme and stubborn.

How is that different from al Qaeda and the Taliban being supported by the Western embassies, and Tableeghi Jamaatis being supported by Saudia, Qatar etc ??

 

[Dalit]

How is that different from al Qaeda and the Taliban being supported by the Western embassies, and Tableeghi Jamaatis being supported by Saudia, Qatar etc ??

Pakistan needs to have a coherent policy. No funding in the world of academics from Western and Gulf nations. When you import foreign funded curriculum in the academic world it is bound to have a disastrous consequence. The state should invest in education and nurture the bright minds.

The European Union and KSA invest in a particular mindset which serves their goals. The Pakistani state suffers. This is not free lunch. These programs are by design meant to infiltrate the host nations. Exclusively developing nations. They select bright minds and teach them how to oppose the state which is supposed to be evil, backward and tyrant.

 

[Amaa'n]

falling standards , hi fees , lack of any innovation . LUMS is a sorry state of affairs .

and now, their academia and professors are openly supporting PTM revolt and threatening state

https://twitter.com/nidkirm

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this is a lums professor , sitting comfortably in lahore DHA yet is tweeting ( to her 40k followers) about PTM narrative

im compiling a list of more lums professors and students engaged in such militancy and will update this board

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my message to all such liberals who are now rooting for PTM = pak army defeated TTP and crushed the snake's head . dont make this mistake

Appreciate the effort you have put into it, but you are a little late to the party....i guess you missed our OSINT report on this lot which covered Nida Kirmani:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whos-engineering-studentsolidaritymarch-osint-report.643992/