Low level ISI personnel may have been involved in Mumbai attacks

[somebozo]

low level ISI personal may have been involved as individual acts doesn't equal involvement of ISI on organizational level. Stupid idiot

 

[Last Hope]

 

[RazorMC]

"I think there is no doubt that whosoever is this Major Iqbal is, was in touch with this man (David Headley)," he said. "I think I would certainly accept that," he added.

Where is he saying that Major Iqbal is from the ISI ?

Read the word "whoever" again. It implies that the former foreign secretary has no information whether Major Iqbal is part of ISI or not. You are relying on one man's testimony and it has been taken up as the truth. Someone was in touch. The ISI has not been implicated.

Silly posts from some users suggesting that the secretary, as a diplomat, will have worked with ISI staff at some point and therefore knows them well enough. Totally wrong. You don't need to be intouch with the ISI or the Military to become a diplomat.

Then there are rogue agents to consider. It happens all the time with agencies. If it is a rogue agent, it is still wrong and cost many lives. But to fall for this obsession with the ISI is not a good sign either.

 

[nightfreakboy]

Just listen closely to this, especially at 3:07. and he is a "Muslim Terrorist"????!!!!! We Muslims don't ask for forgiveness from Bhagwan, we ask forgiveness from Allah!! He doesn't even know the first thing about Jihad!!!This guy was in extreme pain after being shot at and the truth came out. It was told to these guys that they will be taken out of this alive but the media got too much involved then these guys made a stand for it and resisted as the Indian forces now tried to kill them. Now the list of terrorists that India gave to Pakistan about the terrorists that are involved in the Mumbai incident are coming out of its own jail!!!Just embarrassing!!!

This is your Indian media's report that would jump on the word if he said Allah, but when he said Bhagwan they so casually just dubbed it as God so that foreign people think he is saying just "Khuda"!!! Bottles of alcohol were found in tier backpacks!!! A true Muslim never even touches such stuff especially the one who was going on Jihad!!! Just look at their faces they don't even look Pakistanis, they don't even talk like us whoever has been to Pakistan will know this.

 

[S.M.R]

 

[Hammy007]

Now your own minister have claimed something so you are hell bent to prove that there is no connection!

Duh! Try Hard next time....

ok so why didnt he actually claimed when he was in the ministry

 

[Hellfire]

How would the foreign secretary have inside knowledge of the ISI, a intelligence gathering organization that has nothing to do with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs?

Precisely! That is what we and the whole world is saying - your left hand does not know what the right is doing...... There you have said it so yourself! Either that, or you are in cahoots and playing smart.

You mean to say, that as a Foreign Secretary, he wont be knowing what his "EXTERNAL" Intelligence Service will be doing? So in essence, ISI is not answerable and not under control of the GoP!!

We have always said that. That either ISI is working at behest of GoP or if not, GoP should know what it is doing!!!!

 

[Hellfire]

The people that claim that the Pakistan Army uses the ISI for god knows what really have no clue what they are talking about

There is something akin to Joint Intelligence Commitee in Pakistan .... its the umbrella forum for sharing of intelligence inputs by the various principals of the state intelligence setup.

You are again 'typing too fast' I guess ..... think again and think hard. Do you think the MI has the assets to support any independent operation in a foreign country without ISI help? Conversely do you think ISI is replete with certain types of "trained manpower" that is required at times in certain kinds of operations??

Maybe you should go visit Kashmir and ask your PA cdrs and ISI controllers in that region about how BAT operations are carried out all along LC!!!!

 

[Hellfire]

I have said that the Foreign Secretary does not collaborate with the Director of the ISI, the Foreign Minister of Pakistan does on some levels. So Shehryar Khan has no knowledge of the ISI, as he is just the Foreign Secretary, who reports to the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, who then reports to the Foreign Minister of Pakistan. Which is why I said that the Foreign Minister would know more than the Foreign Secretary would. Seriously, doesn't the word 'Secretary' ring any bells for you?

Tell me, who exactly does the Foreign Secretary collaborate with inside the Inter-Service Intelligence Agency? Can you answer me that question?

As for Secretary: he will be the administrative service guy in the Foreign Ministry and infact dealing with the nitty gritty of all Foreign Ministry releases and policy formulations as also privy to all the notings that come. If you even have the most nascent of idea of how the administration in ANY NATION works, its this. The "babu" or in this case the administrative staffer (especailly of the seniority and stature of said person) works the files in detail, gives the major outline to the Minister who does the blah blah!!!

Do you really think that the Minister himself does all the work?

 

[Hellfire]

You still haven't answered the question of who exactly the Foreign Secretary of Pakistan collaborates with in the Inter-Services Intelligence.

You are totally trying to live in perpetuation of some delusion sold to you. Ok the thing is that Foreign and Home ministeries get briefs about any operation(s) which have potential of any type of political/military/international fall out. So in normal sense, one does not need to "collaborate" with anyone inside any agency if the command and control is adequately set up. Its a natural thing for the executing agency to brief the other agency on bare outlines. You dont need the details for that.

Next: since 26/11 was one of huge potential for international fall out (and it did) it was but going to be in briefs to your Foreign Ministry if not before execution of operation then definitely immediately upon commencement of the whole thing. Because Pakistan was going to get the fall out and its the task of Foreign Ministry to deal with that!!! And for that, the Foreign Minister, Minister for State and the Foreign Secretaries have to be on ONE PAGE!!

 

[sab]

Indian Govt. kills its own people and blames Pakistan immediately without any proof . Before the operation even got started the media started to blame Pakistan, which clearly showed that it was a false flag operation and a complete blunder. This had to be done to hurt Pakistan. The whole world knows the truth but the Indians they don't admit the truth they never did and they never will and the media such as this one The Time India comes up and throws another propaganda, this is what India is all about and this is what it does best propaganda and extreme lies. India has done it in the past and it will continue to this hurt Pakistan.
The good thing here is we don't have to go on war with the Indian's the Indian Govt. kills its own people.
Come to the real world and face it you cannot go on war with Pakistan and please learn to speak the "TRUTH" it will be good for your health.
The truth is that Indian train terrorist from Afghanistan and send them to the province Baluchistan and other part of Pakistan to carry out cowardly operations in Pakistan. CAN YOU ADMIT THAT?

.... Trials are ongoing in Chigago and in Lahore High Court also... Start taking news paper at home...and your government has already accepted the attackers were your own people..Your own antiterror Court has formally charged seven people including Jakiur Rahman Lakhvi, though it realesed LeT chief for non-availibility of proof...So stop insulting the legal system of your own country...

 

[rissriva]

ISI might have been involved in 26/11 strikes: Khan​

NEW DELHI: Pakistan's former foreign secretary Shaharyar Khan has acknowledged that ISI might have been involved in the 26/11 attacks on Mumbai — in the first-ever confession of its kind by a member of Pakistani establishment.

In an interview to an Indian TV channel on Saturday, Khan said that "low-level" ISI personnel may have been involved in the terrorist attack on Mumbai. Speaking against the backdrop of the disclosures made by David Coleman Headley about serving ISI officers — Major Iqbal and Major Sameer — Khan told the Indian channel, "I think there is no doubt that whosoever is this Major Iqbal is, was in touch with this man (David Headley)," he said. "I think I would certainly accept that," he added.

This is the first-ever admission of ISI's involvement in terrorism by a senior functionary, if retired, of Pakistan. Though Khan suggested that Major Iqbal could be acting on his own, his statement can only reinforce the growing global conviction about the state-run spy agency's involvement in terrorist activities.

So far, Pakistan has been in denial about the existence of the two serving ISI officers, who were crucial to the terror plot against India.

The statement comes at a time when Chicago trial of 26/11 co-accused Tahawwur Hussain Rana and Headley's testimony in the same court has trained the spotlight on the use of terror by ISI to promote Pakistan's strategic objectives. This is sure to add to the embarrassment that Pakistan has been reeling under since Osama bin Laden was found to be hiding in plain sight in the garrison town of Abbotabad.

In his interview to CNN-IBN, Khan tried to backtrack soon after admitting ISI's involvement in the Mumbai attack. "But the crucial question is that did Major Iqbal act under instruction from ISI hierarchy or is he one of these people who are operating on their own at lower levels,'' he said.

Seeking to retreat, he further said he had doubts over ISI and army institutions taking part in something like Mumbai attacks as that would be "counter-productive".

According to Headley, it was Major Iqbal who took the decision on the list of targets and also facilitated training of terrorists by Pakistan navy. Headley admitted himself being trained by Iqbal in a safehouse near the Lahore airport.

Khan was Pakistan's foreign secretary for fours years from 1990-94. After his retirement, he was involved in Track II diplomacy to improve India-Pakistan ties. He is also a former chief of Pakistan Cricket Board.

On the possibility of Pakistan's nuclear assets falling into hands of jihadis, Khan said he was confident something like that was not going to happen. When asked to elaborate further on the threat and that if he could completely rule out possibility of jihadi sympathizers infiltrating into Pakistani forces to acquire weapons or fissile material, Khan said, ``I will not be 100% sure but 99% sure that this will not be allowed to happen."

On the notion that Pakistan Army is not taking a hard enough position against anti-India groups, he said there is a feeling in Pakistan that this attitude has to change. "Now after bin Laden, Karachi, they must think that terrorism, not India is the major concern...This feeling is surely going to be accepted by the army," he said.

ISI might have been involved in 26/11 strikes: Khan - The Times of India

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At least somebody in Pakistan is not lying.

Well... ISI , no doubt is a terrorist organization. Just its in a way to get declared with the same officially in Chicago.

 

[manishmaithani]

low level ISI personal may have been involved as individual acts doesn't equal involvement of ISI on organizational level. Stupid idiot

Atleast you have acknowledge this .

 

[Prometheus]

ISI was involved or not..........Indians cant do anything.

Why cant we just raise our defences against non-conventional attacks????

How US , UK, isreal saving them)

 

[foxbat]

low level ISI personal may have been involved as individual acts doesn't equal involvement of ISI on organizational level. Stupid idiot

I get it now.. I think you are referring to state employed Non State actors.. Right??

Chalo, some progress towards truth in a couple of years..