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- India could get away with what it wants on the nuclear issue
Diplomacy-K.P. Nayar
Telegraph India

The gloves are off in the negotiations on the so-called 123 Agreement, the next step towards operationalizing the Indo-US nuclear deal. Ending the pretence that all is well with the talks between the high profile US undersecretary of state for political affairs, Nicholas Burns, and the foreign secretary, Shivshankar Menon, India has finally told the Americans to take it or leave it. Not since the era of V.K. Krishna Menon has any Indian government representative publicly told the Americans where to get off. S. Jaishankar, South Block’s negotiator for the 123 Agreement, did in Washington on Monday. Before getting to what Jaishankar said this week, it is necessary to draw the setting for his remarks. Once every two years, leading proponents and negotiators of non-proliferation from Beijing to Moscow to Geneva to New York gather in Washington under the umbrella of a conference organized by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. The last such conference in 2005 was addressed by Mohamed El Baradei, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the glow of the Nobel Peace Prize still very much on his persona. This week, the keynote speaker was the British foreign secretary, Margaret Beckett, who last year authored a white paper on her country’s nuclear deterrent, the smallest among the five nuclear weapons powers recognized under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

Jaishankar, now high commissioner to Singapore and a doctoral degree-holder in nuclear diplomacy, was invited to speak at the latest conference on the subject: “Forging Non-Proliferation Consensus After US-India Civil Nuclear Cooperation”. Naturally, the Q&A after Jaishankar’s speech turned to the 123 negotiations and one member of the audience wanted to know when Indian and US negotiators hoped to bridge the gaps in the proposed agreement. Without a moment’s pause, the Indian diplomat answered: “As soon as the other side agrees with me, the gap will be closed”. There were gasps in the large Atrium. Officials from the US state department, who were present, squirmed in their seats, disbelief clearly writ large on their faces.

In the last nine years since India and the United States of America began talking on subjects they never ventured into before, it was always the Americans who broke the bilateral understanding not to use the media to press an advantage in the negotiations between the two sides. For a change, India decided to give Washington a taste of its own medicine.

That was not all. “We do not envisage any commitment beyond the July 18 statement,” Jaishankar said, referring to the joint statement made by the prime minister, Manmohan Singh, and the US president, George W. Bush, at the White House in 2005 in answer to another question. No new demands, he warned, no shifting of goal posts. In his prepared speech that preceded the Q&A, the Indian negotiator emphatically stated that “the July 18 understanding was a difficult and delicate compromise. Any attempt at rewriting it would endanger a carefully crafted agreement.”

He made it clear that there could be no compromise on the twin issues of enrichment and reprocessing and that India was seeking country-specific exemptions. “The bottom line is that the resumption of international cooperation in civilian nuclear energy cannot be at the cost of India’s strategic programme. Any expectations to the contrary will have to be firmly dispelled.”

Does all this mean that the nuclear deal with the US is history? No. Jaishankar came to Washington with a clutch of olive branches too. He offered to make India party to a new global consensus on non-proliferation, a consensus under which New Delhi was prepared to assume all the responsibilities of a state with advanced nuclear technology. “India brings value to this consensus at a time when it is under serious test.” But, he warned, “India cannot be expected to be a partner and a target at the same time of the non-proliferation consensus.” Then there were sweeteners. As the global nuclear industry attempts to revive itself, India can be a significant factor in that revival if the nuclear deal goes through. There was an attempt to woo those who are enamoured of Green, as public opinion in the US gradually shifts in favour of those who want action against global warming. “Global environmental challenges cannot be met without greater Indian reliance on nuclear energy,” Jaishankar warned.

The shift in New Delhi’s attitude is bound to disappoint a powerful pro-US lobby within the Indian government and outside, elements which have criticized the nuclear scientists, the indigenous defence researchers, indeed, anyone who was against giving in to Washington’s demands. But the reality is that the latest gamble of the Manmohan Singh government may just pay off. The state department, indeed every branch of the Bush executive, is haemorrhaging with political appointees leaving the sinking ship in droves. With each passing day, the administration is losing a bit more of its will to stand up and be counted. And with Congressional elections next year, those who seek re-election need Indian American money. Even the presidential candidates! If India plays its cards right, it may get away with what it wants on the nuclear issue. Although that may not have been the calculation of the United Progressive Alliance government when it changed its strategy on the negotiations and decided this week to go public with its bottom line in the talks. Domestic compulsions may have played their part: witness the bizarre protest by the Left parties over the arrival of nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, USS Nimitz, in Chennai, several years after such vessels began calling at Indian ports.

At the same time, the external affairs minister, Pranab Mukherjee, has been speaking out about India’s demands on the 123 Agreement, albeit with diplomatic reasoning. But Mukherjee has also been redefining India’s relations with Iran. Less than a month ago, intervening in the deliberations in Hamburg at the Asia-Europe meeting — to which India has been admitted — Mukherjee shocked the Americans by describing Iran as “a factor for regional security.” That is not the way Washington views Tehran. The external affairs minister categorically rejected “the use or the threat of use of force or sanctions” against Iran. “It is only engagement which will enable us to see that Iran views following its international obligations as being in its pragmatic self-interest”.

Not surprisingly, within hours of Jaishankar speaking his mind at the Carnegie conference, The Hill, a Congressional newspaper read by virtually everyone on Capitol Hill carried a story on how India’s relations with Iran could derail the nuclear deal. So the battlelines are clearly being drawn and New Delhi has at long last realized that being soft will not pay.

India may also have been convinced in recent weeks that the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group, which controls global nuclear commerce, is a long, long way from any consensus about engaging India as a partner. NSG deliberations are usually held without any fanfare or publicity and decisions are by consensus.

Peter C. Potman, who was deputy head of the Dutch foreign ministry’s nuclear affairs and non-proliferation division, is now posted at the Netherlands embassy in Washington and he deals with both Asia and non-proliferation. Potman spoke at the Carnegie conference and it was probably for the first time that any NSG member government has said anything in public about what is going on in the group over the Indo-US nuclear deal. He said the group had not even started discussing the nuclear deal in any detail. Potman’s view was that an NSG consensus on India was unlikely unless New Delhi agreed to “strategic restraint”: that is adhering to the comprehensive test ban treaty and an end to fissile material production. At the end of it all, he envisaged a process under which the NSG would not collectively negotiate with India, but would allow its member-states to do their own deals with New Delhi.

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Well what can I say, its a very one sided and pro India analysis Joey. Just a few factors favoring India in the current nuclear affairs like the upcoming US election is not going to put India incharge.

India needs this breakthrough more desperately than the US, although many don't realise this.
US holds commercial interests whereas India will lose access to modern technology if the deal fails.

That will be a major blow up for your nuclear strategy.

Just my 2 cts.
 
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Well what can I say, its a very one sided and pro India analysis Joey. Just a few factors favoring India in the current nuclear affairs like the upcoming US election is not going to put India incharge.

India needs this breakthrough more desperately than the US, although many don't realise this.
US holds commercial interests whereas India will lose access to modern technology if the deal fails.

That will be a major blow up for your nuclear strategy.

Just my 2 cts.

Not at all, not at all You havent followed the nuclear deal at all,

Kindly go through the article its not about India will get everything but about clear answer by The Indian envoy,

1. Iran is our friend and central asian corridor , why should we act against them for this deal? - PRanab made it clear

2. Was there CTBT, FMCT in the original J18 statement NO! Jayshankar made this clear.

3. A particularly interesting point that US got frustrated with the delay and got into media by speaking its points out, so simply we got into the media speaking what we want out.


India dont need any breakthrough the way the Hyde act is being presented, Its as simple as it gets, We need a exception clause and clean fuel-reactors , we dont need any technology through this , even compromising NSG would be tuff, so we will get individual nations to work things out.


I'll like to know what prompted you suddenly to as in access t modern technology? what technology do you think we are asking through this when we are building VVER's left and right?

To put into perspective, there shall be no clause entertained above J18 statement.
 
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Read the article on what Indian envoy said in the US conference not what the author concludes as India can get anything it wants, it'll be clear what I'm trying to say here.
 
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I dont know, im not clear about it. If the deals comes thru without we compromising much then its fair enough.

We already have curtailed our ICBM development. Iran is a non issue as since US has her sights on Iran already its a lost cause.
 
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The best way to solve Iran is a regime change, without the use of Armed Forces. Just like the Shah was toppled in Iran, Have the Ayootallah's toppled.
 
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Read the article on what Indian envoy said in the US conference not what the author concludes as India can get anything it wants, it'll be clear what I'm trying to say here.

joey the article is pro india any way you spin it.
india using Iran card not going to fly.with the americans or for that matter tehran.
basicly article said is in simplest way.
give india what she wants or we will change our stance on iran.i would call that self serving statement.

this is where the iranias stand.

Russia's tango with Tehran
By M K Bhadrakumar

Russia realizes it may have overreached in its trapeze acts in recent months in the Middle East and the Persian Gulf region. It must get its act together. And, like others before, Moscow must start from the basics. That means getting right its equations with Iran, the regional power of growing consequence.

But the Iran it shabbily treated a few months ago is no longer the Iran it is compelled to befriend. The balance of forces has shifted dramatically. It is now up to Iran to respond to Russia's overture.



The tango promises to be absorbing, as it involves two partners who bear striking similarity in their "de-ideologized" and pragmatic mindset with acute "bazaari" instincts.

Russian media reported last Thursday that President Vladimir Putin might visit Tehran before the end of the year. This is a visit that Moscow repeatedly kept postponing in the past two years despite Tehran's obvious keenness - and to Washington's great delight. Putin kept touring most countries neighboring Iran.

Russian visitors to Tehran in recent months would have reported back to Moscow that all is not well in their relations with Iran. When the head of the International Affairs Committee of the Russian Federation Council (upper house of the parliament), Mikhail Margelov, visited Tehran in February, Iranian leaders impressed upon him that a crisis of confidence was developing over the construction of the Bushehr nuclear power plant, which Iran had contracted with Moscow in 1995 at a cost of US$1 billion. The chairman of the Expediency Council, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, told Margelov that Tehran was increasingly dissatisfied with the pace of construction.

The project was originally scheduled to be completed in 1999, and it is a well-known secret that the first reactor-core fuel has been ready since late 2004. Iran began to worry when signs appeared that the Russians were foot-dragging on their promise to deliver the nuclear fuel by this March as promised. Bushehr wouldn't become operational in September.

On February 19, the Supreme Leader's adviser on foreign affairs, Ali Akbar Velayati, visited Moscow to deliver a message to Putin stressing the importance of commissioning the Bushehr plant. The Speaker of the Iranian Majlis (parliament), Gholam Ali Hadad Adel, warned Moscow on February 21 that any delay in the completion of Bushehr would "harm" Iran-Russia relations.

But Moscow was undeterred. On March 12, it announced that all work in Bushehr would be suspended. Tehran promptly refuted Moscow's contention that a default in payments to the Russia contractor led to the impasse. Indeed, it sounded absurd that Iran wasn't making the paltry payment on such a massive project, or that Russia, which had a $60 billion program to develop its nuclear power industry, was actually strapped for cash.

Clearly, the problem lay elsewhere. Was Moscow doing a bit of horse-trading with Washington? The US media reported that as quid pro quo for President George W Bush's consent to Russia's claim for World Trade Organization membership, Putin was dumping Russia's "strategic partnership" with Iran. Russian commentators known to be wired to the Kremlin reinforced the impression that political considerations were influencing Moscow.

A member of the Council for Foreign and Defense Policy in Moscow, Aleksei Pushkov, said on March 17 that Russia was abandoning its nuclear cooperation with Iran. He rationalized that Russia was worried that the US could be gearing up for military action against Iran, and Putin didn't want to be confrontational. He argued that Moscow was stressing its commitment to nuclear non-proliferation.

Typical of Russian thinking were the cutting remarks by well-connected political observer Gleb Pavlovskiy. He said, "Iran has never been a friend of Russia, not under any regime. We should remember this. It was not a friend under the shah or during the Islamic Republic ... They are not particularly fond of us. We simply should not forget this."

Pavlovskiy added, "There will be a war [between the US and Iran] but Russia's objective is, number one, perhaps to prevent the war happening altogether. The second is to stay out of the war. The third, naturally, would be to participate in the postwar settlement."

To be sure, the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman said on April 22 that Russia was losing its "credibility". The chill was palpable. When Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Losyukov visited Tehran for consultations in mid-May, the influential chairman of the Majlis' Foreign and Security Affairs Commission, Alae'ddin Broujerdi, told him Russia's image was sinking.

However, Moscow couldn't grasp that the ground beneath the Iran-Russia relationship had begun to shift dramatically. It took the deterioration in US-Russia relations to make Moscow realize that it would be talking to Washington from a position of disadvantage so long as its ties with neighbors like Iran remained indifferent.

Second, the gathering pace of US-Iran dialogue seemed to have taken Moscow by surprise. The sea-change in the geopolitical setting was underscored by the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman last Sunday when he said the US and the European Union were "softening" their stance toward Iran.

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani's visit to Tehran this week will almost certainly focus on scheduling the second round of US-Iran talks. Meanwhile, back-channel contacts are continuing. In sum, Iran has succeeded in "engaging" the US. As Deputy Interior Minister Mohammad Bager Zolqadr stated in Tehran on Saturday, the likelihood of a US military attack on Iran is "zero"; an economic blockade of Iran is "impossible"; and economic sanctions against Iran are "futile".

Tehran hopes to make the dialogue uninterruptible. Why should it fritter away energy over Russia's "new cold war" with the US? How could Tehran be certain that there are irreconcilable problems separating Putin's Russia from Washington?

Third, the negotiations between Iran and the EU, as well as Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency, have begun inching forward. The locus of the nuclear issue seems to gravitate back to the IAEA in Vienna from the United Nations Security Council in New York. Thus the scope for any direct Russian role has diminished and, correspondingly, Tehran's dependence on Moscow. Finally, Russia's Middle East policy has ended up in a cul-de-sac.

With the eruption of intra-Palestinian clashes, Moscow finds itself jettisoning what it fancied to be its trump card, namely its carefully nurtured contacts with Hamas. Russia finds itself falling in line with the US, the EU, the Arab League, and the Middle East Quartet by supporting the actions of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Commentaries in the Russian official media have described Hamas as a terrorist organization. Tehran, on the other hand, voices strong support for the Hamas-led government and views the formation of the emergency government by Abbas as "undemocratic".

But the paradigm is much bigger than it seems. Russia regards the pro-US Arab regimes of the Persian Gulf region as much more meaningful business partners than Iran. These Gulf regimes may spend $60 billion in arms purchases alone in the current year. Flush with funds from oil, they are planning huge investments. Tehran would have noted that Moscow is increasingly keen to harmonize with the Arab League its approaches to the Middle East's problems.

Against this complex background, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov's visit to Tehran last week in connection with the conference of Caspian Sea littoral states assumed significance. Clearly, the verve of Russian-Iranian interactions at the political level was lacking.

Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad told Lavrov the two countries should "try to stay away from any kind of rivalry that bears no fruit". He reminded Lavrov that their relations are not "superficial" but are very strategic. He counseled that Iran's standoff with the West would be "finally solved after many ups and downs", but Iran-Russia ties should remain "good and unlimited, as a powerful Iran would benefit Russia".

Lavrov agreed that Russia-Iran relations are strategic, "although some foreign powers seek to mar the relations".

Lavrov might have put together a sufficient critical mass to initiate a Russian-Iranian dialogue. Three things emerged. First, a common position with regard to the US deployment of missile-defense systems. Second, Lavrov held out assurances that Russia would fulfill contractual commitments over Bushehr. Third, Lavrov ruled out need of any UN Security Council resolution on the Iran nuclear issue at this juncture.

"UN Security Council resolutions are not an aim in itself," he said. "They are designed to give support to the IAEA. Today we in all contacts with our Iranian friends welcomed the readiness of the Iranian side to clarify the questions the IAEA still has."

Tehran might not be apprehensive of an imminent UN resolution, but it would still be pleased with Moscow's positive signal.

The indications are Tehran will host a summit of Caspian littoral states this year. Iran and Russia find that their positions are converging on two crucial questions concerning the Caspian Sea that have a bearing on the "great game" rivalries.

The Russian daily Kommersant commented last week, "It turns out that Russia's only remaining ally in the Caspian region is Iran. Tehran likes the Russian idea of creating Kasfor [a regional security force comprising littoral states exclusively], and it does not support plans to lay trans-Caspian pipelines that would bypass Russia."

All the same, Iran will remain on guard, given the Kremlin's propensity to do horse-trading with Washington when push comes to shove.

Not surprisingly, Washington has bestirred itself. Senator Richard Lugar, who habitually berates Russia, found himself on Thursday urging Bush and Putin "to solidify new areas of cooperation" on weapons of mass destruction. Lugar said, "For too long, our governments have been at odds over how to respond to Tehran's behavior."

The former head of National Security Council, Brent Scowcroft, concurred: "We [Washington and Moscow] ought to focus on things we can do together."

Iran will step back, no doubt, as Putin visits the Bush family home in Kennebunkport, Maine, this coming weekend. Tehran will match Russian assurances of goodwill against what may unfold when the two leaders ferret out a common agenda for steadying their uncertain relationship. When their efforts against so-called common threats gather momentum or when they search for shared goals, the two leaders have a habit of pitchforking the Iran question.

M K Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for more than 29 years, with postings including ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-98) and to Turkey (1998-2001).

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you see iranians are not looking towards india for help.and the amricans no it to.
 
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The best way to solve Iran is a regime change, without the use of Armed Forces. Just like the Shah was toppled in Iran, Have the Ayootallah's toppled.

so why cant the Americans do the same in India and get what ever they want out of her.friendly puppet that will sign any thing the master tells.
why negotiate with India.if all could be reached with installing friendly leaders.
 
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Ahmedinjad is totally out of place.

you mean if he wants to make his country strong he is totally out of place.
damm that bastard how dare he.we should all stand up and kick his a.s.s making the country he governs strong.only non Muslim nations have the right to nukes and other advance weapons.
others are just loonie if they make it hard for west to threaten.:rofl:
 
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so why cant the Americans do the same in India and get what ever they want out of her.friendly puppet that will sign any thing the master tells.
why negotiate with India.if all could be reached with installing friendly leaders.

Cuz we are not Fatwa declaring crazy mullah's, we respect the international community and we have quite bit of influence ourselves unlike Iran. Religion has no role in politics.
 
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so why cant the Americans do the same in India and get what ever they want out of her.friendly puppet that will sign any thing the master tells.
why negotiate with India.if all could be reached with installing friendly leaders.

Just bcoz they have done it successfully in pakistan doesnt mean they can do it anywhere.
 
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Cheetah,

Russians themselves have stopped helping Iran, and have voted against them in Un security council. Even they are not happy with Iran Nuclear Buildup
 
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you mean if he wants to make his country strong he is totally out of place.
damm that bastard how dare he.we should all stand up and kick his a.s.s making the country he governs strong.only non Muslim nations have the right to nukes and other advance weapons.
others are just loonie if they make it hard for west to threaten.:rofl:

Islamic State of Pakistan has weapons, nobody is complaining. Even India. You dont see Mushraf saying I will wipe India off, do you,..or we dont have the right to exsits(not that we care)
Crazy I will wipe out Israel, Theologicall idiots who believe and relate everything in the modern
times according to some book and make deicision based on them, should not be allowed to have these weapons. Its got nothing to do with islam or hindu , or voodoo magic. Kim Jong il and Ahmjad are compelete idiots.
 
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