Long Live Turkish Republic !!!

[U-571]

^^ some say mustafa kemal was an ethnic jew, or had strong relation with jews

 

[Rafi]

Mustafa Kemal is misunderstood, he was never against religion or God Forbid, Islam what he was against was the clerical class, who held back the Turkish nation from modernity, Turkish people are the same as people everywhere some people are devout, some people liberal, the vast majority are some where in between.

And people need to respect Ataturk, he is a great leader born to nations once in dozens of generations, may Allah make his abode Paradise.

 

[mete]

^^ some say mustafa kemal was an ethnic jew, or had strong relation with jews

Some idiots say this because Ataturk had born in Selanik. And source of these words generally depends on English propoganda works between 1930-1950. Today some cults which have strong relations with english and israili intelligence agencies continuesly propogates these words.

His ancestors moved from Konya/Karaman to Kocacik (which is under Sancak of Debre-i Bala in Manastır Province) centuries ago for population force in newly conquered areas.(Today Kocacik in Macedonia Debre's area) Records show his family moved to Selanik between 1830-1840.

His mother's family is under Vodina Sancagi, also moved from Konya/Karaman by govermental pressure to Sarıgol.(An area between manastir and selanik.)

He is absolutely Turkmen. (Also we can say Yoruk)

Also my family moved from Sogut-Domanic to Izmir-KINIK in 15. century depending on govermental orders. We are one of the 7 families who built KINIK.

This was a standart procedure of Ottoman Empire. Populations always moved from somewhere to another for population balance to prevent etnichal and religious fragmantations and conflicts.

 

[U-571]

i think kemal even didnt believe in paradise

 

[mete]

i think kemal even didnt believe in paradise

Depending on what?

Do you know quran translation of E. Hamdi Yazir? Do you know Ataturk's orders on quran studies? He paid these studies's from his own money, free quran distributed in all over the country. Today many of regular people's knowlage depends on these works in Turkish. I was an infident, I became a muslim when I red all these studies. (Turkish meaning of quran, hadis, ilm-i hal works.) I thank to him everyday because I know my religion, I know my prophet(Hz. muhammed s.a.v) , I know who created me( Allah c.c.) because of these works.

Think before you talk. If you dont know what you are talking about, researching from rational sources before talking might be better for you.

And depending on hadis: If you call a man "kafir", there are two consequences. 1) If he is really "kafir" you are right. 2) If he is a muslim, possibly you wont die as a muslim.

This is a very serious and sensitive condition. My resources depends: Buhârî, Edeb 73
Müslim, Îmân 111
Tirmizî, Îmân 16
Buhârî, Edeb 44
Müslim, Îmân 112

Before saying anything against the last part, be careful and think what you say because these depends on Hz. Muhammed's (sav) words. If you say something about the last part, please research.

 

[U-571]

^^ during kemal, it was ordered to recite holy quran in turkish, arabic as a holy language was forbidden, and azan(call to prayers) was forbidden to be announced so loud that the voice went beyond the mosques, the azan itself was dissallowed to be in arabic thus azan given was always given in turkish laguage.., kemal also removed the arabic letters of its language and ordered all arabic words to be removed and replaced by western language ones

 

[Jigs]

^^ during kemal, it was ordered to recite holy quran in turkish, arabic as a holy language was forbidden, and azan(call to prayers) was forbidden to be announced so loud that the voice went beyond the mosques, the azan itself was dissallowed to be in arabic thus azan given was always given in turkish laguage.., kemal also removed the arabic letters of its language and ordered all arabic words to be removed and replaced by western language ones

Where to start. The translation of the Quran from Arabic to Turkish was needed for people to actually learn it. Did you know Turkey had an illiteracy rate of about 90% after the collaspe of the Ottoman empire. Turkish was introduced around this time and Ottoman turkish was taken out as it was pretty much all Arabic and had many Persian words as well. Nothing was Turkish about the language to begin with.


The Azan thing i have never heard of. It is in Arabic and almost everyone is able to hear it. Also the Imam Hatip schools teach Arabic.

 

[Rafi]

Where to start. The translation of the Quran from Arabic to Turkish was needed for people to actually learn it. Did you know Turkey had an illiteracy rate of about 90% after the collaspe of the Ottoman empire. Turkish was introduced around this time and Ottoman turkish was taken out as it was pretty much all Arabic and had many Persian words as well. Nothing was Turkish about the language to begin with.


The Azan thing i have never heard of. It is in Arabic and almost everyone is able to hear it. Also the Imam Hatip schools teach Arabic.

Jigs this guy is a troll, the vast majority of Pakistanis love and respect Ataturk - there is an important road in our capital Islamabad named after him, IMHO Ataturk is a true Muslim who's abode is Paradise.

 

[U-571]

Jigs this guy is a troll, the vast majority of Pakistanis love and respect Ataturk - there is an important road in our capital Islamabad named after him, IMHO Ataturk is a true Muslim who's abode is Paradise.

suit your self, but u kiddo have no rights to declare on some body, and no most of pakistanis have no respect for mustafa kemal, the man is hardly known by pakistanis

 

[Jigs]

suit your self, but u kiddo have no rights to declare on some body, and no most of pakistanis have no respect for mustafa kemal, the man is hardly known by pakistanis

The exploits of your leaders in many a historic field of battle; the progress of your Revolution; the rise and career of the great Ataturk, his revitalization of your nation by his great statesmanship, courage and foresight all these stirring events are well-known to the people of Pakistan.

- Mohammad Ali Jinnah replying to the speech made by the first Turkish Ambassador to Pakistan at the time of presenting Credentials to the Quaid-i-Azam on 4th March. 1948.

 

[Jigs]

BTW U-571 i am done with responding to your comments at this point. You can keep saying Ataturk is a Jew or he did not believe in paradise or that U.S. bombed Istanbul if it makes you feel better. This type of disrespect isn't something a expected but your welcome to keep it up. You won't get a response from me anymore.

 

[U-571]

The exploits of your leaders in many a historic field of battle; the progress of your Revolution; the rise and career of the great Ataturk, his revitalization of your nation by his great statesmanship, courage and foresight all these stirring events are well-known to the people of Pakistan.

- Mohammad Ali Jinnah replying to the speech made by the first Turkish Ambassador to Pakistan at the time of presenting Credentials to the Quaid-i-Azam on 4th March. 1948.

i knew about ottomans as i read about them in our curriculum history lessons, but ataturk was never mentioned in the history books, even ottomans were not mentioned in great detail, what pakistanis know about turkey is through khilafat movement, and that it was launced by muslims to save ottoman khilafat through aids and money, what happened after this movement is not mentioned, and we learn a great deal of quaid e azam quotes but his quotes regarding ataturk was never mentioned..

 

[U-571]

BTW U-571 i am done with responding to your comments at this point. You can keep saying Ataturk is a Jew or he did not believe in paradise or that U.S. bombed Istanbul if it makes you feel better. This type of disrespect isn't something a expected but your welcome to keep it up. You won't get a response from me anymore.

well thats what i come here to learn, because many turks in internet themselves that say he has jewish ancestory and that he was atheist, i-e didnt believe in god and heavens etc, and about respect i mean, when a person is not known, he cant have regards and respects among ignorant people..

 

[monitor]

attartuk was a great leader who bring out turkey from the ashes of ww-1 destruction and despair and made turkey a republic.He dissolve the khelaphat system which is the one of the the bad think he did along with replacing sharia law with swiss code etc. why he did it ? could not he maintain the khelaphat even if it was just a formality ? may be what he did had some argument but still i can not support this as it destroyed the unity of muslim ummah .
but any way turkey is developing and progressing which can be a example of muslim country .btw we also named a important road in his name in our capital
Long live turkish republic .Long live bangladesh turky friendship

 

[nitetrogen70]

well this is one contury i respesct cuz they know wat they are doing