London school bans Muslim students from fasting in Ramazan

[Khalid Newazi]

Yeah thats the reason why millions want to live there. What an irony.

You guessed it right, they live in a secular, liberal and western democracy and not some stone age era religious sharia law ruled failed state. Thus, the state has the responsibility to protect the children from irrational nonsensical things like fasting.

You dont need to study medicine to comprehend why children need their nutrients more than adults. Its common sense backed up by scientific evidence.

What your ancient book says about it does not matter an inch.

The simple reason they live there is because they earn more money there. The BS about "liberal, secular, western, democracy" are created by the West to make their people feel good about themselves.

Look at Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi. All these have huge number of foreigners in their country, mostly making 20-50% of population. Do any of these country have "liberal, secular, western, democracy"?

 

[Luffy 500]

Very good decision, fasting for children?
Thats stupid beyond any measure.....



Yeah thats the reason why millions want to live there. What an irony.

You guessed it right, they live in a secular, liberal and western democracy and not some stone age era religious sharia law ruled failed state. Thus, the state has the responsibility to protect the children from irrational nonsensical things like fasting.

You dont need to study medicine to comprehend why children need their nutrients more than adults. Its common sense backed up by scientific evidence.

What your ancient book says about it does not matter an inch.

Who r u to tell someone how he should raise his kids? What kind of freedom is that? Only bigots would try to justify secular liberal non-sense. your post is a classic example of secular liberal bigotry . Secular liberals only tolerate their coreligionist AKA secular liberals. Secularism/liberalism itself is religion with its own creed & doctrines and social values.

Millions want to live there since, they can earn better there as they have more resources by plundering the muslim world.

Btw how would these dirty mentality bigots enforce the law, u reckon ?

 

[Koovie]

The simple reason they live there is because they earn more money there. The BS about "liberal, secular, western, democracy" are created by the West to make their people feel good about themselves.

And why are those nations developed and stable nations ? Because they dont mix their religious nonsense into politics, because they have actual priorities based on real world problems, because they give their citizens freedom to innovate and live how they want to as long as it sticks to their democratic principles etc etc etc

Look at Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi. All these have huge number of foreigners in their country, mostly making 20-50% of population. Do any of these country have "liberal, secular, western, democracy"?

Oh yeah, I knew you would bring up those examples. Their leaders realize that they cant work with their natural resources for ever... so they heavily invested in things like tourism and service sector branches.

Open your eyes and stop being stupid, why do they allow things like alcohol, "immoral dressing " and other things there?

A.: To attract tourists and expats from developed nations!

Or does all this fit your definition of Islamic lifestyle ?

Oh and dont forget that these nations are not representing the realities for over 90 % of the rest of the Muslim world.

Who r u to tell someone how he should raise his kids? What kind of freedom is that? Only bigots would try to justify secular liberal non-sense. your post is a classic example of secular liberal bigotry . Secular liberals only tolerate their coreligionist AKA secular liberals. Secularism/liberalism itself is religion with its own creed & doctrines and social values.

Millions want to live there since, they can earn better there as they have more resources by plundering the muslim world.

Btw how would these dirty mentality bigots enforce the law, u reckon ?

Seem you just ran out of arguments, thats why you put "secular liberal" in each sentence

FYI: The state in these nations has real priorities. Instead of enforcing senseless and irrational laws written into a book over 1300 years by random dudes, they have the responsibility to protect the rights of those who are not able to decide for themselves: Children.

I gave the rational and scientifically backed reasons why children must not do such nonsense. And all you have is your puny little rant

Why would God like to see children suffer anyways? Why does God want to see their development disturbed by bad parents who let their child starve? Denying a thirsty child water is inhumane, archaic and simply disgusting.

 

[Tiger Genie]

The simple reason they live there is because they earn more money there. The BS about "liberal, secular, western, democracy" are created by the West to make their people feel good about themselves.

Look at Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi. All these have huge number of foreigners in their country, mostly making 20-50% of population. Do any of these country have "liberal, secular, western, democracy"?

Hey genius, why are they able to make more money there? 1. they are allowed in, educated and employed. That's pretty liberal. 2.they continue living there and bring others, build mosques, import maulvis, even fund masjids back home: because those countries are secular and don't convert them 3. they are western because they are in the western hemisphere and 4. they are democratic because people vote to elect their legislators.

On what basis did you deny these rather obvious qualities?

 

[flamer84]

Sad to see the kind of colonial mentality some muslim in this thread have shown.How can a school ban fasting? And how r they going to enforce it, force feed kids? So much for secular liberal west . By ideology liberal secular west is intolerant to those who doesn't espouse its values & religious doctrines. The bigots in Europe r doing full display of their dirty & rotten psyche.

As for fasting , yes its not obligatory till one reaches the age of puberty but its for the parents to decide if they want to make their kids used to fasting from an early age.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

A young child should not be forced to fast until he has reached the age of adolescence, but he may be told to fast if he is able to do it, so that he may get used to it and it will be easier for him after he reaches puberty. The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) – who are the best of this ummah – used to make their children fast when they were young.

What is the right age to get children used to fasting? - islamqa.info

The age at which parents should start teaching their children to fast is the age when they are able to fast, which varies according to the physical constitution of each child, but some scholars have defined it as the age of ten years.

Getting Children Accustomed to Fasting - islamqa.info

Here come Ahmed the jihadist to set things straight.

 

[Khalid Newazi]

Hey genius, why are they able to make more money there? 1. they are allowed in, educated and employed. That's pretty liberal. 2.they continue living there and bring others, build mosques, import maulvis, even fund masjids back home: because those countries are secular and don't convert them 3. they are western because they are in the western hemisphere and 4. they are democratic because people vote to elect their legislators.

On what basis did you deny these rather obvious qualities?

You are allowed to make money in the Middle East too. India has its highest number of immigrants in Middle East. So, does the Middle East have any of the things he mentioned or do Indians love living in a Muslim nation under Islamic rule?

Oh yeah, I knew you would bring up those examples. Their leaders realize that they cant work with their natural resources for ever... so they heavily invested in things like tourism and service sector branches.

Open your eyes and stop being stupid, why do they allow things like alcohol, "immoral dressing " and other things there?

A.: To attract tourists and expats from developed nations!

Or does all this fit your definition of Islamic lifestyle ?

Oh and dont forget that these nations are not representing the realities for over 90 % of the rest of the Muslim world.

Most of the Middle Eastern countries money come from oil and industries related to it. And tourism is a volatile business and among all these nations only UAE advantage from it and it's only in 1 city.

You go outside of Dubai, you ain't gonna wear a mini-skirt.

 

[Tiger Genie]

You are allowed to make money in the Middle East too. India has its highest number of immigrants in Middle East. So, does the Middle East have any of the things he mentioned or do Indians love living in a Muslim nation under Islamic rule?

@Khalid Newazi - you wrote "The BS about "liberal, secular, western, democracy" are created by the West to make their people feel good about themselves." implying the western countries were not liberal, secular, western(!) or democratic. I have given you arguments to the contrary.

Ofcourse middle east is not western(!) - they are ...middle-eastern. Neither are they secular or democratic.

as to living under Islamic rule, even Muslims without choice don't like Islamic rules, why would non-Muslims like it? get a grip junior

 

[Koovie]

Most of the Middle Eastern countries money come from oil and industries related to it. And tourism is a volatile business and among all these nations only UAE advantage from it and it's only in 1 city.

You go outside of Dubai, you ain't gonna wear a mini-skirt.

Nope, the ME georesources wont hold forever with the current demand. Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha and new cities are being transformed to investment hotspots, tourist attractions etc etc etc (If you dont believe me, looks at the billions of dollars spent on islands, hotels, parks, clubs etc etc etc) ... and you wont lure tourists and expats with medieval era laws.


And you did not answer my main points.

 

[Khalid Newazi]

FYI: The state in these nations has real priorities. Instead of enforcing senseless and irrational laws written into a book over 1300 years by random dudes, they have the responsibility to protect the rights of those who are not able to decide for themselves: Children.

Your countries protects human rights by shooting down passanger planes and awarding a medal to the guy who shot it down. You are so advanced that your women leave their children to starve (not because they lack money), while they go and search for "true love" or "enjoy their life". Fathers leaving their children and families because they can accept their responsibility.

Senseless and irrational laws that make you believe that even the worst offenders have a second chance at life, making laws that prevent people from accepting their responsibilities because "freedom".

Nope, the ME georesources wont hold forever with the current demand. Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Doha and new cities are being transformed to investment hotspots, tourist attractions etc etc etc (If you dont believe me, looks at the billions of dollars spent on islands, hotels, parks, clubs etc etc etc) ... and you wont lure tourists and expats with medieval era laws.

Investments will come if there is profits and security for the investments, no matter what type of laws there are. That's the beauty of "Capitalism". As for tourism, a simple incident like shooting or bombing a hotel will hamper the industry and the Sheikhs know it well.

tourist attractions etc etc etc (If you dont believe me, looks at the billions of dollars spent on islands, hotels, parks, clubs etc etc et

Yes, and look it up that a lot of those projects have been abandoned due to the lack of interest from potential buyers.

 

[SipahSalar]

They have a problem with kids learning patience through hard ship of fasting, but they don't mind distributing condoms so kids can continue to **** each other.

 

[Koovie]

Your countries protects human rights by shooting down passanger planes and awarding a medal to the guy who shot it down.

Are you kinda confused? How is this related to child protection in the UK?

You are so advanced that your women leave their children to starve (not because they lack money), while they go and search for "true love" or "enjoy their life"

So what is that supposed to prove? You just posted an example of neglecting a child (which happens everywhere), which will be dealt with by the appropriate departments responsible for protecting children.

How does it make the deliberate starving children for religious reasons any better?

Senseless and irrational laws that make you believe that even the worst offenders have a second chance at life, making laws that prevent people from accepting their responsibilities because "freedom".

Degree of penalty varies from nation to nation, so?

How does it make the deliberate starving children for religious reasons any better?

Investments will come if there is profits and security for the investments, no matter what type of laws there are. That's the beauty of "Capitalism". As for tourism, a simple incident like shooting or bombing a hotel will hamper the industry and the Sheikhs know it well.

You know what the service sector is, right? It works on human capital and they need well educated expats from developed nations. Thats why they offer all the kind of life style choices that Dubai, Doha and Co. possess. Money alone wont attract the best if the laws and life style options are similar to 15th century Europe.

Anyways, you know exactly that those few examples represent less than 5% of the Muslim world.

They have a problem with kids learning patience through hard ship of fasting, but they don't mind distributing condoms so kids can continue to **** each other.

Deliberately starving kids for irrational and nonsensical reasons is cruelty ^10. You deprive a child of water during hot days just because some random folks wrote it into some ancient book?

You dont need to study medicine to comprehend how dangerous that can be to a child which is still developing.

PS: Safer sex is important too.

 

[Khalid Newazi]

Are you kinda confused? How is this related to child protection in the UK?

This part isn't but the there is a part about it. This one is there to answer the following single quote:

to protect the rights

How does it make the deliberate starving children for religious reasons any better?

Most children fast themselves. They eat iftar with their parents and learn from that. When I was a small child, I would fast but during that time it was mostly a competition of who fasts more and many children still do that. Because in the end, being able to fast is a sign of strength.

Also, your people starve their kids because of negligence towards them.

So what is that supposed to prove? You just posted an example of neglecting a child (which happens everywhere), which will be dealt with by the appropriate departments responsible for protecting children.

And yet they fail. Maybe time to upgrade it, take a few lessons from us. We don't starve our children to death due to negligence.

You know what the service sector is, right? It works on human capital and they need well educated expats from developed nations. Thats why they offer all the kind of life style choices that Dubai, Doha and Co. possess. Money alone wont attract the best if the laws and life style options are similar to 15th century Europe.

Most of school and educational institution teachers are Asians, mostly Indians, Malaysians, Indonesian, Bangladeshis.

Dubai wanted to form something when their oil runs out, but their tourism did flourish at first but later attempts to expand it failed. Also, their export is $305 billion a year and you can't export tourism, it's the industry's that does it. Also, intelligent people (the one's that are required for what you said) tend to go less to clubs, and generally outside compared to the lesser intelligent ones.

And in the 15th century Europe capitalism didn't meet globalization, because globalization didn't exists back then. You want to tell me that European and American companies aren't taking advantages of Environmental law, child labour, worker's welfare in 3rd World countries?

Also, 15th century Europe was quite strong, the colonization age stared back then. And please tell me how much human rights existed in those colonies?

 

[Shoonya]

The simple reason they live there is because they earn more money there. The BS about "liberal, secular, western, democracy" are created by the West to make their people feel good about themselves.

Look at Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi. All these have huge number of foreigners in their country, mostly making 20-50% of population. Do any of these country have "liberal, secular, western, democracy"?

People living in western democracy would prefer to stay there even if their earnings are reduced but the same might not be true for middle east

 

[Koovie]

This part isn't but the there is a part about it. This one is there to answer the following single quote:

You got to be more specific than that if you give examples.

Most children fast themselves. They eat iftar with their parents and learn from that. When I was a small child, I would fast but during that time it was mostly a competition of who fasts more and many children still do that. Because in the end, being able to fast is a sign of strength.

"Most children fast themselves." Based on what source?

Fasting and not drinking is detrimental to a childs health. I gave you the evidence. But that should be common sense. Its not a sign of strength but a sign of less intellect. Any semi educated moron knows about the importance of nutrients in a childs development.

And yet they fail. Maybe time to upgrade it, take a few lessons from us. We don't starve our children to death due to negligence.

"And yet they fail." You know how many families are under the eyes of child protection to make such blunt big mouth claims ? Of course not.

And you wanna convey that there is no negligence in the Muslim world?
And what about starving children because of some ancient book ? Can it even get more cruel?

And in the 15th century Europe capitalism didn't meet globalization, because globalization didn't exists back then. You want to tell me that European and American companies aren't taking advantages of Environmental law, child labour, worker's welfare in 3rd World countries?

Also, 15th century Europe was quite strong, the colonization age stared back then. And please tell me how much human rights existed in those colonies?

Well you totally missed (or ignored) my point... but that does not matter because a. its not the topic and b. as I said countless times, those handful of nations or better cities do not represent the Muslim world.

 

[SipahSalar]

Deliberately starving kids for irrational html
nonsensical reasons is cruelty ^10. You deprive a child of water during hot days just because some random folks wrote it into some ancient book?

You dont need to study medicine to comprehend how dangerous that can be to a child which is still developing.

Advantages of fasting are proven scientifically.
Does Intermittent Fasting Have Benefits? Science Suggests Yes
10 Benefits Of Fasting That Will Surprise You
As for random folks writing an ancient book we will see whose book it is when you are raised from the dead.