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LOCKHEED MARTIN AWARDED TSS CONTRACT FOR PAKISTANI AH-1Z

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The USMC AH-1Z Viper. Photo credit: Bell Helicopters
LOCKHEED MARTIN AWARDED TSS CONTRACT FOR PAKISTANI AH-1Z
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The U.S. Department of Defence (DoD) has awarded a contract to Lockheed Martin to supply its AN/AAQ-30 Target Sight Systems (TSS) for Pakistan’s Bell AH-1Z Viper dedicated attack helicopters.

The contract awarded as part of a larger sale – valued USD $151 million – for TSS units for both U.S. and Pakistani AH-1Zs. The Pakistani order (made under the Foreign Military Sales program) constitutes 12% of the contract (i.e. USD $18.12 million).

The AN/AAQ-30 TSS is essentially an electro-optical/infrared (EO/IR) sensor capable of nighttime imaging and laser-designation (for air-to-surface missiles such as the AGM-114R Hellfire II).

This is the second Pakistani TSS contract, the first being issued in January (for USD $14.2 million).

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In April 2015, the U.S. approved a proposed sale of 15 Bell Helicopters AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters to Pakistan. The USD $952 million deal included the aircraft, 1,000 AGM-114R Hellfire II air-to-surface laser-guided missiles, and requisite training, logistics, and maintenance support.

In August 2015 and April 2016, Pakistan ordered two and nine AH-1Z units, respectively. The TSS orders from January and December of this year correspond with those unit orders. As there were no options listed in the State Department notice, one should expect Pakistan to order the final four units.

In parallel with the AH-1Z program, the Pakistan Army will also induct four Mi-35 Hind assault helicopters, which it ordered from Russia in 2015 for USD $153 million. IHS Jane’s was told by Pakistani officials that the Army could procure a total of up to 20 Mi-35s.

Pakistan is also flying the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAIG) Z-10. It had also evaluated the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) T-129. While the Pakistan Army is evidently seeking another dedicated attack helicopter platform, it is not clear how it intends to utilize a secondary platform.

The TAI T-129, while boasting superb hot-and-high flight attributes, is fundamentally a lightweight design. However, TAI, in collaboration with Meteksan, is testing the MİLDAR millimeter wave radar.

The CAIG Z-10 was recently spotted in a desert area in Punjab (i.e. Khairpur-Tamiwali near Bahawalpur), where it appeared to have been used as a close air support (CAS) platform for armour and infantry.

Pakistan was also reportedly interested in Mil Mi-28NE, which is among Russia’s newest attack helicopter platforms and, in contrast to the T-129 and Z-10, is a heavyweight design analogous to the AH-64.

Given the range of platforms it is examining, the Pakistan Army may simply be in the process of trying to determine which operational environments outside of counterinsurgency (COIN) require dedicated attack helicopters. Consequently, various platforms have been tested to their respective strengths, but a final decision is far from imminent.

Pakistan’s final decision will be shaped by how it intends to use its alternate attack helicopter platform. For example, a strong focus on anti-armour operations in Punjab and in Sindh would position a heavyweight platform such as the Mi-28NE (or Rooivalk Mk2) favourably. If unavailable, the Z-10 could be viewed as a medium-weight alternative for the same role. Alternatively, an emphasis on providing infantry in higher altitude mountainous areas would necessitate the T-129.

With the COIN effort set to continue, Pakistan’s attack helicopter fleet is poised to see heavy use in the coming years. With current AH-1F/S at the end of their lifespans, it would not be surprising if additional AH-1Zs are sought, especially under the Foreign Military Financing program, which is poised to resume (albeit with additional scrutiny in Washington).

Source: http://quwa.org/2016/12/26/lockheed-martin-awarded-tss-contract-for-pakistani-ah-1z/
 
Good agile bird love to see with Pakistani flag firing on Indian Asses (Donkeys).
Since you bought India into this, do remember the 22+ AH-64E will have the the Longbow HELLFIRE (AGM-114L3) which is a precision strike missile using millimeter wave (MMW) radar guidance along with the semi-active laser AGM-114R3, whereas Pakistan will not have any Longbow Hellfire and only have the laser guided ones.
More importantly Indian Apaches will have Longbow radar, whereas Pakistani AH-1Z will not have any MMW radars.
Also Indian Apaches will have more powerful T700-GE-701D engines, instead AH-1Z has T700-GE-701C engines.
 
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Since you bought India into this, do remember the 22+ AH-64E will have the the Longbow HELLFIRE (AGM-114L3) which is a precision strike missile using millimeter wave (MMW) radar guidance along with the semi-active laser AGM-114R3, whereas Pakistan will not have any Longbow Hellfire and only have the laser guided ones.
More importantly Indian Apaches will have Longbow radar, whereas Pakistani AH-1Z will not have any MMW radars.
Also Indian Apaches will have T700-GE-701D engines, instead AH-1Z has T700-GE-701C engines.
Everytime when a Pakistani poster brings out an imagination of Pakistanis firing at Indians or Pakistani forces fighting Indian forces, they tend to forget about weighing in the strength of the opposite side.

It's good for them in one way and bad for them in another way. Their imagination is unpredictable.
 
Since you bought India into this, do remember the 22+ AH-64E will have the the Longbow HELLFIRE (AGM-114L3) which is a precision strike missile using millimeter wave (MMW) radar guidance along with the semi-active laser AGM-114R3, whereas Pakistan will not have any Longbow Hellfire and only have the laser guided ones.
More importantly Indian Apaches will have Longbow radar, whereas Pakistani AH-1Z will not have any MMW radars.
Also Indian Apaches will have more powerful T700-GE-701D engines, instead AH-1Z has T700-GE-701C engines.

The option for the longbow radar is always there. As for the engines, yes they're more powerful, but the Apache needs them. Even with the upgrade the Apache will have a smaller range, lower cruise and overall speed against the Viper.
 
The option for the longbow radar is always there. As for the engines, yes they're more powerful, but the Apache needs them. Even with the upgrade the Apache will have a smaller range, lower cruise and overall speed against the Viper.
If Pakistan would have got a Longbow radar, it would have asked for them in the initial stages if US approved.
Now chances of US approval are very bleak.

Also, modern attack helicopters barely ever cross 250 km as firing weapons becomes near impossible at such speeds.

Regarding range as per military-today.com combat range of AH-1Z is 425 km whereas that of AH-64E is 476 km.

The superiority of AH-64E was proven when it was chosen over the viper by S.Korea despite SK having experience of operating older cobras
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324493704578428361110902222
 
If Pakistan would have got a Longbow radar, it would have asked for them in the initial stages if US approved.
Now chances of US approval are very bleak.

Also, modern attack helicopters barely ever cross 250 km as firing weapons becomes near impossible at such speeds.

Regarding range as per military-today.com combat range of AH-1Z is 425 km whereas that of AH-64E is 476 km.

The superiority of AH-64E was proven when it was chosen over the viper by S.Korea despite SK having experience of operating older cobras
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324493704578428361110902222

The first part is your opinion which has no basis. The only other operater with the Viper will be the USMC. Several other countries will be operating the Guardian as well as India, including Saudia Arabia.

My post also mentioned cruise speed not just the maximum.

It's true the Guardian out ranges the Viper, but climb rate, important for evasive tactics, is better with the viper.

2000 for the Guardian

http://www.copybook.com/news/upgraded-apaches-for-british-army

2,800 for the Viper

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1292

The viper will also come with the ability to engage air targets with the sidewinder, of which the PAF has ample stocks.
Your assertion that the S.Korean choice for their tender equates to the superiority of the Apache makes no sense. It is based on many different requirements and parameters.
 
Just a minor contract we need a platform we can extend and grow

I do like the machine just quantity wise it is not idea platform
 
Have we bought the Z-10?
I have seen these over bahria town rawalpindi on 14 august this year.

Everytime when a Pakistani poster brings out an imagination of Pakistanis firing at Indians or Pakistani forces fighting Indian forces, they tend to forget about weighing in the strength of the opposite side.

It's good for them in one way and bad for them in another way. Their imagination is unpredictable.

My respected neighbour. When you have a bully in your back yard whow have you elimination as it's sole goal then one doesn't careally what it is fighting. Remember the mighty soviets lost to rag tag mujahdeen. Nato lost to the taliban and the mighty Persian empire lost to a young Alexander. Size and equipment doesn't matter as much as will to win and effective deployment of your assets.
 
Simply put, Pakistan didn't procure a millimeter wave radar for the AH-1Z because there isn't one available, yet. The U.S. is developing a millimeter wave radar for the AH-1Z, it is based on the Longbow radar, but will be adapted for use on the Viper. As it stands today, it seems that USMC and Pakistan Army AH-1Zs are similarly equipped.
 
Looks like we will soon get the AH-1Z. It's going to be one hell of an addition to our army aviation.

Does anyone know whether still PAA is interested in Mi-28 Havoc or have dropped the idea in T-129s favor.
 
Looks like we will soon get the AH-1Z. It's going to be one hell of an addition to our army aviation.

Does anyone know whether still PAA is interested in Mi-28 Havoc or have dropped the idea in T-129s favor.
The Mi-28NE and T-129 are designed for different roles. The Mi-28NE is a heavyweight capable of taking on anti-armour CAS operations, like the Apache. The T-129 is a lighter aircraft optimized for hot-and-high operations, i.e. high altitude, thus making it ideal for backing our infantry in mountainous areas. I think the Army is trying to decide exactly where it'll get the absolute most out of its attack helicopters, and then procure accordingly.
 
Simply put, Pakistan didn't procure a millimeter wave radar for the AH-1Z because there isn't one available, yet. The U.S. is developing a millimeter wave radar for the AH-1Z, it is based on the Longbow radar, but will be adapted for use on the Viper. As it stands today, it seems that USMC and Pakistan Army AH-1Zs are similarly equipped.
What could be the possible location of mounting mmW radar on AH1Z in your opinion? Rotor top? Hard point?
Are there any timelines for arrival of such unit & its clearance for export?
 

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