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Liwa Zanibiyoun

Ask Syrians and Iraqis about it if you want details, or honestly any Arab from Levant or Gulf can tell you the atrocities done by these people.

You can also ask Turks and Kurds from the region.

Mate, i have been researching alot on Liwa Zanibiyoun, and it seems like the issue is alot more serious than i thought. There are 2 types of people that join Liwa Zanibiyoun, the first group is of volunteers that actually want to defend the shrines from terrorists ( i have no problems with them and i understand their motivation), However majority of the group consists of people that have been either brain-washed or have actually faced discrimination either directly or in-directly for being Shias and so they join these groups. To sum it up Liwa Zanibiyoun is the Shia version of TTP in my opinion............ but its not anti-Pakistan for now.
 
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Mate, i have been researching alot on Liwa Zanibiyoun, and it seems like the issue is alot more serious than i thought. There are 2 types of people that join Liwa Zanibiyoun, the first group is of volunteers that actually want to defend the shrines from terrorists ( i have no problems with them and i understand their motivation), However majority of the group consists of people that have been either brain-washed or have actually faced discrimination either directly or in-directly for being Shias and so they join these groups. To sum it up Liwa Zanibiyoun is the Shia version of TTP in my opinion............ but its not anti-Pakistan for now.

If it was an issue of shrines, we have Turkey and Pakistan in the region who could work directly with Iran to protect shrines.

Unfortunately this useless war in Syria which has turned 50% of Syrians into fugitives has caused so much needless loss of life and infrastructure, and for what? To keep a dictator like Assad in power.

Liwa Zanabiyoun has been involved in armed conflict in Syria as well. So they have not been only protecting shrines. They have been working with Hezbollah to retake Sunni Muslim (or if you prefer a different terminology, former FSA) areas for the regime.

This has the potential to become a sectarian conflict in Pakistan if this continues. We should end it now.
 
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there is a shia community living here,near my society and there are still posters of suleymani.i see it myself.i think we have destroyed our country.all sects specially arab and iran,both using pakistan to recruit youth.this is terrible.are we a country who always fights others war or do we love our country?there are serious questions and these groups should show their patriotism to pakistan otherwise close all madrassa and stop this drama.we don't need people who sacrifice their lives for saudia and iran.who will save pakistan in case of war? we should expel everyone who has sympathy for both arabs and iran.i mean look at the number of madrassa and shia organizations.this is not pakistan.it looks like a country where you pay someone to hire them to fight wars.this is disrespectful.

@Imad.Khan you can check nationality of many people on natsecjeff account on twitter.he even provides pictures and most of the people are pakistani who died in iraq,fighting for iran.
 
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there is a shia community living here,near my society and there are still posters of suleymani.i see it myself.i think we have destroyed our country.all sects specially arab and iran,both using pakistan to recruit youth.this is terrible.are we a country who always fights others war or do we love our country?there are serious questions and these groups should show their patriotism to pakistan otherwise close all madrassa and stop this drama.we don't need people who sacrifice their lives for saudia and iran.who will save pakistan in case of war? we should expel everyone who has sympathy for both arabs and iran.i mean look at the number of madrassa and shia organizations.this is not pakistan.it looks like a country where you pay someone to hire them to fight wars.this is disrespectful.

@Imad.Khan you can check nationality of many people on natsecjeff account on twitter.he even provides pictures and most of the people are pakistani who died in iraq,fighting for iran.

Natsecjeff is really dubious, and playing a part in 5th gen warfare
 
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there is a shia community living here,near my society and there are still posters of suleymani.i see it myself.i think we have destroyed our country.all sects specially arab and iran,both using pakistan to recruit youth.this is terrible.are we a country who always fights others war or do we love our country?there are serious questions and these groups should show their patriotism to pakistan otherwise close all madrassa and stop this drama.we don't need people who sacrifice their lives for saudia and iran.who will save pakistan in case of war? we should expel everyone who has sympathy for both arabs and iran.i mean look at the number of madrassa and shia organizations.this is not pakistan.it looks like a country where you pay someone to hire them to fight wars.this is disrespectful.

@Imad.Khan you can check nationality of many people on natsecjeff account on twitter.he even provides pictures and most of the people are pakistani who died in iraq,fighting for iran.

I blame Musharraf for this. He attacked religious institutions directly and forced some dangerous groups to go underground. I still hear of radical groups fulfilling their hidden agendas of brainwashing youth in Punjabi cities. Rana Sanaullah (N) is a big supporter of LeJ for example. Why are the police and government incapable of controlling them?

Instead of ostracizing religious institutions and demonizing them, Pakistan should co-opt them. Every single religious organization or building (Sunni, Shia, Wahabbi, Ismaili, Ahmadiyya, etc.) must be thoroughly investigated, its leadership known, and all activities as well.

Most of all the curse of sectarianism or hate preaching should be stopped.

Unfortunately, our Shia Pakistanis are the main victim of this hate preach. It is unacceptable and creates unwanted divisions in our society. it drives Pakistanis to find solace in someone else, and Iran is readily waiting to receive disaffected youth with open arms.

The problem lies primarily with us, we should be strong enough that our youth don't feel like they need to go to Iran and join Liwa Zanabiyoun to gain some pride in themselves and for their faith.

Most of all we need leaders (religious or otherwise) who will unite Pakistanis, rather than divide them. A national consensus plan must be developed, all sects must sit together with the government, and decide what we as Pakistanis want to do for our people.

We cannot be at each others throats every time there is a civil war or some conflict overseas, we need to stand together as Pakistanis. Sectarianism will only increase in the ME due to KSA, UAE, Iranian polices and the fragile conditions of Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Saying that, there is no reason this Qasem Sulemani who threatened Pakistan directly in connivance with India needs to have his posters around Pakistan. He was an avowed enemy of our country.
 
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This is the result of the unchecked and uncontrolled free for all "ziyarats" tourism from Pakistan to Iran of people of certain religious doctrine, indeed an innovative mechanism of terrorist recruitment adopted by Iran and facilitated by the Iran apologists within Pakistani state institutions.
 
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It is clear to me that there is a campaign against Pakistani Shia, on this forum and the mods are either complicit or indifferent, both are damning indictments.

Alienating 20% or more of the population to suck upto the gulfies, are clearly pro US deep state, and pro India, well it is what it is.

I think it is clear that this site does not want participation of Pakistani Shia, and therefore I am probably on my way out, then all can make fun of us and Muharram as much as you want.

Yes, they are complicit.

It's not just the 'Pakistani Shia' that this site does not want participation of, but anyone who is critical of the Saudi regime and their exclusivist religious ideology.

On Topic: Those comparing Zainebiyoun with ISIS are either grossly misinformed, or are closet sectarians at heart
 
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Pakistan is trying to keep things under control with all efforts in preventing the region becoming a firestorm that does not benefit anyone in middle east and south Asia. here we have a press conference WITH flags of militia Iran recruits behind the podium. what is the message being sent here? Pakistan is trying keep the lid on the boiling kettle and this is simply NOT acceptable.

its pointless to expect anything from the foreign office and the brazen display of their patronage with some in Pakistan for once needs to be addressed.
Does Iran have a death wish? I've been telling people that snakes cant be trusted. They betrayed us before and they will do it again. The only friend of Pakistan was the shah. After him everyone in the Iranian power center is a threat to Pakistan.

Pakistan should close the border and watch them burn. We shouldshoube helping them, they arent worth a second of our time. The mess in Afghanistan is because of them. Any time Afghanistan comes closer to Pakistan, its always iran and its proxies that throw water over it. This attitude has been going on since the shah fell. The terrorism in Karachi, balochistan and kpk is funded by these snakes.

Pakistan should start hiring their Sunni Baluch,Kurd,Azeri and Turkmen regiments for Ghazwa-e-Hind..
The cause is holy.Those who participate in it have been promised great reward upon shahadat..Iran obviously will not have problems with that.
We honestly very well should. They treat the balochis like second class citizens then why shouldn't we provide and promise them equal rights. As any other Pakistani they will have same rights and freedoms. It's time to flare the flames of independence on their side.
 
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Does Iran have a death wish? I've been telling people that snakes cant be trusted. They betrayed us before and they will do it again. The only friend of Pakistan was the shah. After him everyone in the Iranian power center is a threat to Pakistan.

Pakistan should close the border and watch them burn. We shouldshoube helping them, they arent worth a second of our time. The mess in Afghanistan is because of them. Any time Afghanistan comes closer to Pakistan, its always iran and its proxies that throw water over it. This attitude has been going on since the shah fell. The terrorism in Karachi, balochistan and kpk is funded by these snakes.


We honestly very well should. They treat the balochis like second class citizens then why shouldn't we provide and promise them equal rights. As any other Pakistani they will have same rights and freedoms. It's time to flare the flames of independence on their side.
Let’s just NOT pray for ill of iran. We hate the regime but the common people are not to blame neither to be hated. They are innocent and dedicated as well as having a rich history and culture with amazing tourism spots (kabhi janay ki zehmat to nai ki but google zindabad).
 
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Let’s just NOT pray for ill of iran. We hate the regime but the common people are not to blame neither to be hated. They are innocent and dedicated as well as having a rich history and culture with amazing tourism spots (kabhi janay ki zehmat to nai ki but google zindabad).
They are drunk on a superiority complex. The wannabe Europeans of the middle east, need a reality check. I do not wish the ill nor do I wish them good.
 
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They are drunk on a superiority complex. The wannabe Europeans of the middle east, need a reality check. I do not wish the ill nor do I wish them good.
No offense to anyone, but they are many folds better than those on their north and our west, Afghanistani people (not Generalizing good with bad).

You might have encountered the wrong people however, my few encounters with some traders from iran were good and nothing surprising, found them quite similar to us.
 
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No offense to anyone, but they are many folds better than those on their north and our west, Afghanistani people (not Generalizing good with bad).

You might have encountered the wrong people however, my few encounters with some traders from iran were good and nothing surprising, found them quite similar to us.
The Persians I've met outside of iran are very nice people. The reason they escaped is the same reason everyone else hates them. It all boils down to Iran is a threat to Pakistan.
 
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If it was an issue of shrines, we have Turkey and Pakistan in the region who could work directly with Iran to protect shrines.

Unfortunately this useless war in Syria which has turned 50% of Syrians into fugitives has caused so much needless loss of life and infrastructure, and for what? To keep a dictator like Assad in power.

Liwa Zanabiyoun has been involved in armed conflict in Syria as well. So they have not been only protecting shrines. They have been working with Hezbollah to retake Sunni Muslim (or if you prefer a different terminology, former FSA) areas for the regime.

This has the potential to become a sectarian conflict in Pakistan if this continues. We should end it now.

This Syrian conflict doesn't make sense to me at all. There are so many groups involved and the thing is that Assad is actually a Sunni and not even Shia.

As with all conflicts, what we need to understand is who benefits from this conflict? Is it the Syrians who benefit? Do Shias or Sunnis Benefit? If we figure out the end beneficiary we will know who is behind it all.

Further on the topic of stopping the Liwa Zanabiyoun. I agree but HOW? maybe the first step is starving it from recruiting. To do that we will need to address the reasons that it gets the recruits, one stop the terrorists attacking Shias in Pakistan and then eliminating the brain-washers. As for the genuine volunteers that want to preserve/protect the shrines, give them an alternate option like a Pakistani Militia run by Pakistan not a foreign country.

Also i was reading on the Afghan version of the Liwa, mate they have it really tough, much worse than what Pakistanis get.
 
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