Liwa Zanibiyoun

[Kabira]

Another problem with these retarded terrorists of Zani is that they are more loyal to Iran then Pakistan. At least salafi terrorist ideology doesn't care about borders. This ideology threaten integrity of Pakistan.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

People going there with sincere passion to defend shrines but they are misused and mishandled by iran for their own political agenda of terror and hegmony in the region . Iran and israel both are equally evil and demonic in nature . Saudis and iranians have pushed the whole region in fire and blood . Attacks on shrines were carried out by Mossad agents . Dont you know ISIS handlers were in Tel aviv . Iran is poisonous for Pakistan as is India and israel . Iran try to breach in our armed forces through iran sympathizers shia muslims , alot of them were caught spying for iran . Iran and SA has sectarian wars in pakistan .
Remember iranians are first persian and thn shia . They are using other shia muslims as tissue paper .

He is in some personal vendetta mode, cant have an objective discussion with such mindset.
Israel=India=Iran really???Is that your strategy to deal with Iran?If it is then its bound to fail buddy..The fact is each entity needs to be dealt in its own way. They are doing what is good for them..What are we doing? who is stopping us to play the sunni card in Iran?Why cant we divert all the tableeghis towards Isfahan and Tehran,why couldnt they establish themselves in sunni majority areas of Iran? why couldnt we let this preaching thing go cyber, if they stop us we ban their sites, why is it always us to be at the receiving end? Because our state is running not on pre-emptive but reactive mode or maybe they don't even have a vision to start with..Who is stopping us to regulate imambargahs and make sure what books are being taught just like we do for madrasahs. Why cant we ban these shia groups that take money from the Iranian regime? Because.. we dont do justice across the board..Shias in Pakistan demand same religious freedom that Salafis get.We are victim of a what-aboutism game here.You are right regarding Iran using shias of the region as tissue paper. Nepotism is a reality which will remain to some extent, the answer is to keep it in check.Pakistan should extinguish both Radical Sunni and Radical Shia sentiments in public and develop an Islamic theology system that makes us challenge this regional hegemony game of religion and have a powerful religious council that keeps radicalism at bay The muslim world looks up to you for this alternate before its too late. THE FLAG IS WAITING FOR THE WIND TO WAVE ....dont let them down by becoming part of this game..

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

An old legend mentions hat Druze and Alawites were the remnants of the old Persian garrisons that were left when Persia retreated. But it’s only a legend.

Hmm likely.

The case of Yazidis (fire worshippers) also is very interesting. Most of their villages are no go zones for Muslims, they hide their beliefs from outsiders too.

Another such group of ancient pagans are Kalash in Pakistan's Hunza valley. Their counterparts from Nuristan, Afghanistan are now Muslims. They are an old Indo-European group which was isolated for a long time, so their genetics are unique. Some rumors claim they are descended from soldiers of Alexander the Great, but not likely.

Very interesting subject.

Persia produced many now defunct religions also such as Manacheism. According to Allama Iqbal, it was similar to Communism in the idea of communal ownership rather than personal.

Another problem with these retarded terrorists of Zani is that they are more loyal to Iran then Pakistan. At least salafi terrorist ideology doesn't care about borders. This ideology threaten integrity of Pakistan.

They are both threats to Pakistan.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Flaring up baloch independence in their house burns our own balochistan as well dumbo.Dont put words in my mouth..I only talked about using their people for our interest.. BTW let me put a few things straight here, Irani Baloch regardless of discrimination enjoy a much better lifestyle and human development than our baloch that we didnt care about and left at the mercy of feudals.
Also you are giving Iran too much credit i.e. for destroying peace of Afghansitan ,Karachi,Baluchistan..You are probably doing this in some personal vendetta mode.

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No it doesnt! Look at how Iran does it in balochistan but they control it on their own side.

Also their terrorists are everywhere. Where you sleeping under a rock when they caught uzair baloch? Did you see his documentations?

 

[925boy]

The Persians I've met outside of iran are very nice people. The reason they escaped is the same reason everyone else hates them. It all boils down to Iran is a threat to Pakistan.

Hate is a strong word and its a minority of Iranians who love to live in liberal western countries. Majority of Iranians live in Iran and arent emigrating in large numbers(...at least not yet)

As with all conflicts, what we need to understand is who benefits from this conflict?

Benefactors of this conflict: US, Israel, GCC(KSA,UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait)
Why do i say this? well i agree the conflict is complex and weird, but if you use the patterns and true motivations of the parties, you can piece it together. What i am very confident about is that US and ISrael had ALOT to gain by the conflict. The conflict was to dethrone the Anti-ISrael, Anti-US, pro-Iran leadership of Syria and switch control and domination of Syria from Assad's Alawite led govt to a Sunni(most likely), pro- ISrael, pro-US, pro-GCC country.
Do you remember in the first few years of the war when ISIS was pounding and killing Assad's troops? Well once again that fit into that axis' strategy of wearing down Assad and trying to kick him out. US and Israel were goign to be the biggest winners from an Syria with no Assad leading it. How could mere civilians wear down the Syrian army of mid Xxx,xxx # of soldiers? HOOOW?? its not logistically and reasonably possible. Those were armed groups funded, trained, equipped, motivated from outside sources. ISIS gave these US/Israel/GCC axis a way to pressure any entities in the ME militarily without telling their citizens that they were taking war actions abroad. This could've been part of the Greater ISrael plan, i'm not sure, but i know a certain block used/created this civil unrest in Syria situation to remove Assad, a leader in a very strategic ME country that wasnt pro ISrael or US.But these messages got lost with all the "gore" war criminal acts.

Is it the Syrians who benefit?

THe Syrians who werent in favor now with the Syrian govt would probably had benefitted if Assad was taken out. But NATO did 2 surveys during the way and support for Assad stayed at least 50%, so how was some Syrian "civilians" able to kill 100-300K Syrian soldiers and govt militia men??? does that capability sound like something basic protesting civilians can do??? I dont believe the domestic OPPOSITION to Assad could take him out on their own. i can bet $$ on that any day. So there was an external decision and dagger move to take Assad out. Assad committing war crimes AND this agenda to take Assad out as leader of Syria are 2 separate issues.

Do Shias or Sunnis Benefit?

While religion matters in Syria, i believe personal and family connections plays a bigger role probably than religious affiliation, cuz afterall, Syria has been a secular state for decades.

If we figure out the end beneficiary we will know who is behind it all.

The way you know the beneficiary is to first understand who the victims are first,and then the benefiticiary IS the opposite side of hte victims.

VICTIMS: Assad's govt and army SAA, Iran, Russia.
OPPOSITE OF VICTIMS: US, ISrael, Turkey, GCC(most at least)

Beneficiary = opposite of victims = US, Israel, Turkey, GCC(most at least)

Also i was reading on the Afghan version of the Liwa, mate they have it really tough, much worse than what Pakistanis get.

Can you please share? is it in English?

 

[H. Dawary]

Why is Iran doing this? By inciting these groups in sovereign nations they are instead placing those peoples in danger. If Iran doesn’t stop these games then I foresee either an American styled concentration camp in the middle of the desert like they did to the Japanese during WW2 or a complete genocide. Seeing BS like this actually makes me want to support America’s attitude towards Iran. If the Iranians don’t stop this I fear a genocide might happen against the Shias of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why is Iran doing this? By inciting these groups in sovereign nations they are instead placing those peoples in danger. If Iran doesn’t stop these games then I foresee either an American styled concentration camp in the middle of the desert like they did to the Japanese during WW2 or a complete genocide. Seeing BS like this actually makes me want to support America’s attitude towards Iran. If the Iranians don’t stop this I fear a genocide might happen against the Shias of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Interesting scenario that if Iran is defeated or collapses, Shiaism around the world will be affected.

This is because Iran is hyping up so heavily this ruse that they are the state chosen by Imam Mahdi and that they are doing his work, that if they fail, it will discredit their whole religious messianic mindset.

Iran will most likely revert back to a weakened secular nationalistic state like during the Pahlavis.

Shias around the world will have to scramble to make intellectual sense of the collapse of Qom and Najaf's shared vision for the world. A new ideology will have to be adopted.

However there is no way that the US will let their golden chicken stop laying its sectarian eggs around the world. They will play both sides and keep Iran around for as long as useful to promote fractionism in the Muslim world.

They will only abandon Iran when Israel is ready for its expansionist wars.

 

[H. Dawary]

Interesting scenario that if Iran is defeated or collapses, Shiaism around the world will be affected.

This is because Iran is hyping up so heavily this ruse that they are the state chosen by Imam Mahdi and that they are doing his work, that if they fail, it will discredit their whole religious messianic mindset.

Iran will most likely revert back to a weakened secular nationalistic state like during the Pahlavis.

Shias around the world will have to scramble to make intellectual sense of the collapse of Qom and Najaf's shared vision for the world. A new ideology will have to be adopted.

However there is no way that the US will let their golden chicken stop laying its sectarian eggs around the world. They will play both sides and keep Iran around for as long as useful to promote fractionism in the Muslim world.

They will only abandon Iran when Israel is ready for its expansionist wars.

This is a very sensitive issue as it is about religion. And I am not knowledgeable enough to comment on Shias, however upon doing a thorough research in history I've realized why Shiaism became so prominent, and if there is anyone to prove me wrong please do so as I believe I need to do more research.

I am sure you are aware of the Fatimids? The Abbasids came to power because the claimed lineage through the prophets uncle Abbas and thus had more authority as in contrast to Abu-Sufyans/Muawiyah's Ummayad. Later the Fatimids claimed lineage from Fatima and Ali, as direct descendants from the household of the prophet, and to bolster thier claim, they adopted a shiaism to counter the Sunni Abbasids.

In Persia some centuries later, Shah Ismail did the SAME THING against the Sunni Ottomans, to counter one ideology he had to adopt one that was completely opposite to it. He massacred many sunnis and forced them into Shiism. By the accoutns of history, it seems as though Shiism came about because of some individuals lust for power.

In history, what has been done has been done. There are many adherents to different faiths and they must be respected. I don't have any ill will towards any sects or religious persons, however I do believe in each religious person defending their stances when questioned (by an atheist, Christian etc and vice versa) either through arguments as to whether or not their faith is true or not, or in the case of statehood, showing their loyalty to their respective state. If some groups are not showing their loyalty, I seriously believe in holding them under scrutiny until proven otherwise, but it shouldn't go too far as I fear they might be put in concentration camps, but I do believe in keep strict surveillance. What do you think of this?

 

[Imad.Khan]

Can you please share? is it in English?

Here you go mate

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...stani-fighters-give-their-lives-in-Syria.html

 

[HAIDER]

Here you go mate

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/vie...stani-fighters-give-their-lives-in-Syria.html

Alarbiya ...enough said. First word " regime". Saudi govt mouth piece .

Another problem with these retarded terrorists of Zani is that they are more loyal to Iran then Pakistan. At least salafi terrorist ideology doesn't care about borders. This ideology threaten integrity of Pakistan.

THE MASSACRE IN MAZAR-I SHARIF
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports98/afghan/Afrepor0.htm

Blood in the streets: Quetta’s Hazara massacres
At about 5:30 PM local time on February 16, a massive bomb ripped through a bustling street lined with grocery stores, schools, and tuition centers in the southwestern Pakistani city of Quetta. A water tanker packed with an estimated 2,200 pounds of improvised explosives had been detonated in the middle of busy crowds of children ...

Seems your thirst of killing innocent people will never end. And these people never raise arm against state. Even Canadian and Australian govt open the door for these talented educated people of Pakistan.

 

[H. Dawary]

Alarbiya ...enough said. First word " regime". Saudi govt mouth piece .


THE MASSACRE IN MAZAR-I SHARIF
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports98/afghan/Afrepor0.htm

Blood in the streets: Quetta’s Hazara massacres
At about 5:30 PM local time on February 16, a massive bomb ripped through a bustling street lined with grocery stores, schools, and tuition centers in the southwestern Pakistani city of Quetta. A water tanker packed with an estimated 2,200 pounds of improvised explosives had been detonated in the middle of busy crowds of children ...

Seems your thirst of killing innocent people will never end. And these people never raise arm against state. Even Canadian and Australian govt open the door for these talented educated people of Pakistan.

The issue that you are not understanding is that Iran is using religion to Increase its power.

Daeish had no Saudi Generals aiding them or carrying out air strikes. Iran on the other hand is, And it is using the Shias of those sovereign nations.

How would Iran react or any Shia majority nation react if the Taliban used their Sunni populations? And this is what I am afraid of... sectarianism. If Iran continues in this path then the next time around it won’t be 10,000 Shias being massacred in Mazari Sharif, but rather millions.

Iran is playing a dangerous game by resorting to such sentiments, and will eventually cause a response from the other side.

 

[HAIDER]

The issue that you are not understanding is that Iran is using religion to Increase its power.

Daeish had no Saudi Generals aiding them or carrying out air strikes. Iran on the other hand is, And it is using the Shias of those sovereign nations.

How would Iran react or any Shia majority nation react if the Taliban used their Sunni populations? And this is what I am afraid of... sectarianism. If Iran continues in this path then the next time around it won’t be 10,000 Shias being massacred in Mazari Sharif, but rather millions.

Iran is playing a dangerous game by resorting to such sentiments, and will eventually cause a response from the other side.

" How would Iran react or any Shia majority nation react if the Taliban used their Sunni populations?" ... I think Taliban has almost 70 percent control and remaining 30 percent or less by NATO. I would recommend you to see Hillary Clinton statement in senate hearing committee.

 

[H. Dawary]

" How would Iran react or any Shia majority nation react if the Taliban used their Sunni populations?" ... I think Taliban has almost 70 percent control and remaining 30 percent or less by NATO. I would recommend you to see Hillary Clinton statement in senate hearing committee.

And when they have 100% control, no Shia will have any seats in Government, currently they have 20% all that will be 0% if Iran continues these sectarian policies.

 

[HAIDER]

And when they have 100% control, no Shia will have any seats in Government, currently they have 20% all that will be 0% if Iran continues these sectarian policies.

Well, all Afghan faction should be a part democratic process. 20 percent has no value in this democratic setup.

 

[H. Dawary]

Well, all Afghan faction should be a part democratic process. 20 percent has no value in this democratic setup.

That will depend on their loyalty towards Afghanistan... if they are more loyal towards Iran, then it would be best to bring Pashtuns from Pakistan and southern parts of Afghanistan and have them settle in their lands, this would be a last resort, but hopefully it doesn’t happen and they are loyal towards us.