Liwa Zanibiyoun

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

As far as i know, they were fighting ISIS, if that is true then i have no issues with them, infact i will truely support them. However if they were being used to kill innocent people just like ISIS was then thats a totally different thing.

I have a few Iranians at work and like majority of them that live outside of Iran, they are very anti-mullah. I will ask them what they know about Liwa Zainabyoun

Ask Syrians and Iraqis about it if you want details, or honestly any Arab from Levant or Gulf can tell you the atrocities done by these people.

You can also ask Turks and Kurds from the region.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Ask Syrians and Iraqis about it if you want details, or honestly any Arab from Levant or Gulf can tell you the atrocities done by these people.

You can also ask Turks and Kurds from the region.

Better yet ask the 6.7 million poor Syrian refugees in Jordan and Turkey who were forced to leave their homes and today cant even return because of them and their Overlords.

 

[Malik Alpha]

Better yet ask the poor Syrian refugees in Jordan and Turkey who were forced to leave their homes and cant even return because of them and their Overlords.

There are many in KSA as well and they hate Bashar but here on this forum I feel Iranians and their common religion followers are busy shoving their agenda down their throats. They talk like they know what's better for Syrians and stoop as low as claiming majority of Syrians are with Bashar even though more than 90 percent of the civilian deaths are caused by Bashar forces and Iranian sponsored groups.

ISIS came as a savior and blessing for the regime without ISIS things would be alot different than today.

 

[Imad.Khan]

There are many in KSA as well and they hate Bashar but here on this forum I feel Iranians and their common religion followers are busy shoving their agenda down their throats. They talk like they know what's better for Syrians and stoop as low as claiming majority of Syrians are with Bashar even though more than 90 percent of the civilian deaths are caused by Bashar forces and Iranian sponsored groups.

ISIS came as a savior and blessing for the regime without ISIS things would be alot different than today.

@BOLD Please tell me you were not being serious here?

 

[Pax Pakistanica]

@BOLD Please tell me you were not being serious here?

"ISIS came as a savior and blessing"

But on a serious note, I think he is referring to how the Islamic State's territorial successes were able to distract the Western media from the Syrian Arab Republic's military operations. The government deliberately released jihadists who later joined the umbrella of a few Free Syrian factions who were extreme whilst others joined the Islamic state. This confirmed Assad's claims regarding the bloodlusted Islamists who wanted to wreak havoc in the region. Though, I'd say that Russia played a bigger role in securing Assad's seat of power.

 

[Imad.Khan]

"ISIS came as a savior and blessing"

But on a serious note, I think he is referring to how the Islamic State's territorial successes were able to distract the Western media from the Syrian Arab Republic's military operations. The government deliberately released jihadists who later joined the umbrella of a few Free Syrian factions who were extreme whilst others joined the Islamic state. This confirmed Assad's claims regarding the bloodlusted Islamists who wanted to wreak havoc in the region. Though, I'd say that Russia played a bigger role in securing Assad's seat of power.

I hope you are right

 

[Malik Alpha]

@BOLD Please tell me you were not being serious here?

I've been following the Syrian war since 2011. Things were going against Assad until the ISIS propped up out of nowhere. He gained legitimacy for his war crimes and countries started supporting him more openly due to them. In that POV I called ISIS his savior.

"ISIS came as a savior and blessing"

But on a serious note, I think he is referring to how the Islamic State's territorial successes were able to distract the Western media from the Syrian Arab Republic's military operations. The government deliberately released jihadists who later joined the umbrella of a few Free Syrian factions who were extreme whilst others joined the Islamic state. This confirmed Assad's claims regarding the bloodlusted Islamists who wanted to wreak havoc in the region. Though, I'd say that Russia played a bigger role in securing Assad's seat of power.

Thanks for the clarification bro

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Just want to ask you a polite question? are you Pakistani? i mean living is Pakistan? i dont think so...you are contradicting yourself in your own post. one place you talk about both shia and sunni unity then in the end you talk about innocent sunni killing...why are you not able to use the word "Muslims"

Do you think "Daish"/TTP are "Muslims"?

The reason i ask you these questions is i want to understand your thought process because you are sounding in your post like "Sectarian Bigot" which i am sure with your handle of "Pan-Islamic-Pakistan" does not suite you!

I missed your post, so answering it now.

There is no contradiction. That is ground reality.

No, Daesh are Kuffar.

I am criticizing Iran and those whom Iran deceives, it has no bearing on the larger Shia community of Pakistan.

It is clear to me that there is a campaign against Pakistani Shia, on this forum and the mods are either complicit or indifferent, both are damning indictments.

Alienating 20% or more of the population to suck upto the gulfies, are clearly pro US deep state, and pro India, well it is what it is.

I think it is clear that this site does not want participation of Pakistani Shia, and therefore I am probably on my way out, then all can make fun of us and Muharram as much as you want.

I would like to thank the friends I have made over the years here, and ask for forgiveness, if I hurt anyone.

Rafi.

These are proxy militias who are engaging in war and occupation in someone else's land.

I don't think discussing Iran and its proxies (obviously Shia) reveals any sectarianism.

Most of us are equally indignant of KSA, UAE policies in Syria, Iraq, and Libya.

I've been following the Syrian war since 2011. Things were going against Assad until the ISIS propped up out of nowhere. He gained legitimacy for his war crimes and countries started supporting him more openly due to them. In that POV I called ISIS his savior.



Thanks for the clarification bro

Also, Israel trained Daesh. Even Ban Ki Moon, head of the UN at the time, stated it.

 

[Rafi]

I missed your post, so answering it now.

There is no contradiction. That is ground reality.

No, Daesh are Kuffar.

I am criticizing Iran and those whom Iran deceives, it has no bearing on the larger Shia community of Pakistan.



These are proxy militias who are engaging in war and occupation in someone else's land.

I don't think discussing Iran and its proxies (obviously Shia) reveals any sectarianism.

Most of us are equally indignant of KSA, UAE policies in Syria, Iraq, and Libya.



Also, Israel trained Daesh. Even Ban Ki Moon, head of the UN at the time, stated it.

I was upset by someone talking about something disgusting about Muharram, and felt that some members were using Iran and criticism of it to attack Shia people.

I think people going overseas have different motivations and reasons, but the fact that takfiri have gone after and desecrated holy shrines and places is also a factor.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I was upset by someone talking about something disgusting about Muharram, and felt that some members were using Iran and criticism of it to attack Shia people.

My condolences. That is not acceptable.

I am sure sectarian bigots are here too. Most are not, however.

I think people going overseas have different motivations and reasons, but the fact that takfiri have gone after and desecrated holy shrines and places is also a factor.

Yes ofcourse brother.

 

[925boy]

do you recruit them online?

Sometimes. u want to join?

 

[El Sidd]

Sometimes. u want to join?

Give me your best sermon !!

 

[925boy]

you have a large Mexican community in your country so if they go of to fight for mexico would that be ok? what are the laws for yanks fighting for another country

Well you're talking nationality only here and there is no religious angle or sentiment involved. But for many Pakistani Shia and Muslims, religion is probably more important to them than nationality??

you have something to back this claim up or was it a heat of the moment sweeping statement?

All the hate and violence Pakistani Shia have received from their current govt and country? Iran is next door and is a robust defender and supporter of global and regional Shiites so pls dont ignore the allure Iran has to your Shiite minorities.

are you sure they are not cannon fodder?

They are cannon fodder....... DEPENDING on who you ask(just like the question "who is a a terrorist??"). Obviously if you are asked, you will think they are. If you ask them and their family members and many Pakistani Shia they will say they are Shaheds. i am not supporting them btw. I am just opening our minds to see how others see things that we dont always agree with or understand.

you seem to know alot about them as it seems!

LMAOOOOOO....for one i find the Zeinabioun and Fatemiyoun fascinating- never seen them deployed and managed outside their region in this way! On the other hand, lets put it this way- i have a relatively low level of ignorance when it comes to Iran related forces and politics in that region.

is it true that those from Pakistan and afghanistan are not allowed to be buried in the 'pasdaran' graveyard?

I'm not sure of this bro. I'm sure someone familiar with IRGC can clarify this for u.

That is what I have come to know about these people who went to fight in irani proxies!

LOL....while you are generally smart, i am not sure you are the top authority on people who fight for Iranian proxies.lol

maybe you know it to be false?

I know: 1) Iran respects any Shia who die under Iran's resistance banner and 2) Many Afghans and (probably Pakistanis) Shia who fought for Iran got Iranian citizenship(maybe their families too).

leave him to me

He left me "to you" and the first thing you did was troll. are you really serious?LMAO. whenever i give you the real truth AKA HOT TEA you always either troll or play ignorant. just sayin...

They already, proudly display a flag of Pakistani proxy force, and yet you are telling me that I am hallucinating. What a fanatic you are?Then about KSA, Turkey is not the one who threatens Pakistan every once in a while but some Khaleeji.

So "They already, proudly display a flag of Pakistani proxy force" = Iran and Saudi arabia have no problem destroying Pakistan? BRO!!! No good logic detected. try again pls.

 

[El Sidd]

He left me "to you" and the first thing you did was troll. are you really serious?LMAO. whenever i give you the real truth AKA HOT TEA you always either troll or play ignorant. just sayin...

why don't you go to every conversation we had and read them now and see how 'events' unfolded?

On the first Soleimani thread, i have one question posted there. Try answering that and we can start are conversation where we always leave them

 

[925boy]

I've been following the Syrian war since 2011. Things were going against Assad until the ISIS propped up out of nowhere. He gained legitimacy for his war crimes and countries started supporting him more openly due to them. In that POV I called ISIS his savior.



Thanks for the clarification bro

How can ISIS be Assad's savior when from 2011- maybe 2014/2015 ISIS Was NATO+ GCC's main ground force in Syria fighting Assad?
Also, if ISIS was really Assad's savior, then for example, why would Russia(Assad's friend) destroy ISIS's oil trade and wealth? It makes NO sense for A friend of Assad(Russia) to attack and dismember another friend of Assad(ISIS)! can you help me make sense of this contradiction??

NO LOGIC DETECTED!

@BOLD Please tell me you were not being serious here?

LMAO. this is the same type of Sunni who will say "Shiites have been killing Sunnis over the middle east forever"!!