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[El Sidd]

1- Get the hospitals ready with all the medication, ventilators, trained doctors, etc. The logistical stuff.
2- Isolate elderly 65+ age people or people with respiratory diseases.
3- Leave all other people to mingle and go about with their daily lives.
4- The Human body will develop Anti-bodies against the virus. Corona virus is a 'naturally occurring' virus just like about 100 different virus types discovered on this planet.
5- Attend to people who require more medical help.
6- If we don't do this now, most of the population will not develop immunity against this virus. And next year, we are going to have an even BIGGER outbreak.


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm

https://www.genengnews.com/news/cor...t-a-laboratory-construct-genetic-study-shows/

History has shown this ain't a good survival tactic.

 

[ARMalik]

History has shown this ain't a good survival tactic.

History didn't have antibiotics medication, ventilators, precision medical instrumentation, precision medical diagnosis tools, and so on.

 

[El Sidd]

History didn't have antibiotics medication, ventilators, precision medical instrumentation, precision medical diagnosis tools, and so on.

Neither does anyone right now for the magnitude you provoking.

Maybe the world has not enough of those because people have been going around saying everything its just a flu or put some aloe on it.

Get real man

 

[ARMalik]

Neither does anyone right now for the magnitude you provoking.

Maybe the world has not enough of those because people have been going around saying everything its just a flu or put some aloe on it.

Get real man

What you just said shows your inability to comprehend what is "Practical" and what is not. This is exactly what a person living in La, la fairy land would say. I would suggest to stop reading fairy tales - you are grown man now dude.

 

[El Sidd]

What you just said shows your inability to comprehend what is "Practical" and what is not. This is exactly what a person living in La, la fairy land would say. I would suggest to stop reading fairy tales - you are grown man now dude.

What is impractical? Something others have shown how to get done or the sheer stubbornness to risk it all?

If you can invest energies to do what you said in post 15. a lockdown seems much more practical.

are you a fascist?

 

[ARMalik]

What is impractical? Something others have shown how to get done or the sheer stubbornness to risk it all?

If you can invest energies to do what you said in post 15. a lockdown seems much more practical.

are you a fascist?

It is very easy for people like you sitting overseas or who have enough money, to preach to lock up poor people. There many extremely poor people in Pakistan who have to work daily to feed their families. They have no savings, no assets to rely on. Locking up such people without any government financial handout is atrocity of the highest order. It is no different to Israel locking up Palestinians or Jews being locked-up by Hitler. These people will die of hunger. If someone took away all your money, and locked you up for 2-weeks, I can guarantee that within 24-hours you would forget Corona or any other Arse-virus and go on a looting spree.
It is very easy to sit on a computer and be a smarty pants, but extremely difficult to put yourself in the shoes of very Poor and Destitutes - people who have nothing. And the day you will realize this (which I highly doubt), will be the day you will make sensible and practical posts on this forum, and feel for the miserable lives of the poor before you make such remarks or such childish suggestions.

 

[El Sidd]

It is very easy for people like you sitting overseas or who have enough money, to preach to lock up poor people. There many extremely poor people in Pakistan who have to work daily to feed their families. They have no savings, no assets to rely on. Locking up such people without any government financial handout is atrocity of the highest order. It is no different to Israel locking up Palestinians or Jews being locked-up by Hitler. These people will die of hunger. If someone took away all your money, and locked you up for 2-weeks, I can guarantee that within 24-hours you would forget Corona or any other Arse-virus and go on a looting spree.
It is very easy to sit on a computer and be a smarty pants, but extremely difficult to put yourself in the shoes of very Poor and Destitutes - people who have nothing. And the day you will realize this (which I highly doubt), will be the day you will make sensible and practical posts on this forum, and feel for the miserable lives of the poor before you make such remarks or such childish suggestions.

What healthcare do the 40 percent registered poor people in Pakistan get from the saint capitalist government?

 

[krash]

You are trying to act smart whereas you are not. Yes news flash - you are NOT smart as you think you are.

Thanks for letting me know. Now let's try to defend your actual argument, shall we? If there actually was one, that is.

Now that you know the reality, I strongly recommend that you learn the fundamentals of economy first

That is an empty statement, if there ever was one. What exactly do you want us to study "the fundamentals of economy" for? You gave no argument based on the said "fundamentals of economy", yet you keep telling people to go "learn" them.

and then ask me questions which I would be very happy to answer.

Ask what? You said nothing, claimed nothing, presented no argument. Not even the video you linked has anything to do with the Economics of anything. Guess we also need to go "learn the fundamentals argumentation", eh?

It is not my job to educate people who are ignorant and don't know the fundamentals.

Good thing too, because seeing as you can't even formulate a simple argument and rely heavily on fallacies to construct your posts, doubt you'd be able educate anyone at all.

Join a college or university or whatever.

Will do. Thanks.

Also, once you have learnt a few basic things about economy, I then suggest you go a learn fundamentals of 'Viruses',

You mean watch a random video on youtube or read a random article from the thousands on the subject with starkly opposing views and then start pretending that I know better? Sure, why not?

Let's see.

COVID-19: WHO says coronavirus is more deadly than the flu

Top US health official says the coronavirus is 10 times ‘more lethal’ than the seasonal flu

Covid-19 is not the flu. It’s worse.

Nah, nah. It's just a conspiracy. It's just like flu, you know? We see choked health systems every year all across the world due to Flu. There's nothing new here. Let's look at one of the governments which, just like yourself, could see through all the hype.

The U.K.’s Coronavirus ‘Herd Immunity’ Debacle

You see, they too had "learnt the fundamentals of Viruses". Unlike, say, The World Economic Forum.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/why-lockdowns-work-epidemics-coronavirus-covid19/

Don't get why all these countries just don't get it....wait...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00741-x

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshua...oronavirus-in-a-matter-of-weeks/#79743fbf12e1

and then ask me, I would be very happy to answer them as well. Until then, see you smarty pants.

See ya.

1- Get the hospitals ready with all the medication, ventilators, trained doctors, etc. The logistical stuff.
5- Attend to people who require more medical help.
6- If we don't do this now, most of the population will not develop immunity against this virus. And next year, we are going to have an even BIGGER outbreak.


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm

https://www.genengnews.com/news/cor...t-a-laboratory-construct-genetic-study-shows/

Or maybe not.

Clearly shows that you need to "learn the fundamentals of what exactly is the purpose of lockdowns".

On the off chance that you are not the expert that you pretend to be, the lockdowns are aimed at slowing down the spread, not stopping it. Because you see, you can't just "get the hospitals ready with all the medication, ventilators, trained doctors, etc. The logistical stuff." There just isn't and aren't enough "medication, ventilators, trained doctors, etc. The logistical stuff" to cater to the expected number of critical patients if this thing is left to spread unchecked. Not even in the best health care systems of the world, let alone in Pakistan where there virtually is none. You won't be able to just "attend to people who require more medical help". So, lockdowns are being used to slow the spread so that at every given moment we can provide the necessary critical care to as many as we can. This will potentially save tens of thousands of lives. The immunity will be built across the world, just slowly.

How do you propose containment without a lockdown?

He is not proposing containment. He is proposing unchecked herd immunity.

 

[krash]

It is very easy for people like you sitting overseas or who have enough money, to preach to lock up poor people. There many extremely poor people in Pakistan who have to work daily to feed their families. They have no savings, no assets to rely on. Locking up such people without any government financial handout is atrocity of the highest order. It is no different to Israel locking up Palestinians or Jews being locked-up by Hitler. These people will die of hunger. If someone took away all your money, and locked you up for 2-weeks, I can guarantee that within 24-hours you would forget Corona or any other Arse-virus and go on a looting spree.

You are correct. However, we also have to consider the hard place along with the rock that we are stuck in between.

Even with the best estimates, with a healthcare system such as Pakistan, we would be looking at hundreds of thousands of potential fatalities if people are allowed to spread it freely (I can give you some rough calculations for that, if you'd like). If, God forbid, that happens people will stop leaving their homes on their own accord, businesses will shut down, people will stop spending, the economy will still take a massive hit. You thought business would continue as is while people drop dead all around? It's textbook catch-22.

We need to find a middle path. Slow it down as much as we can so that we can ride it through with the minimum loss to lives possible. We then need to force the government to provide as much social and financial help as it can to the ones who need it most. While Pakistan is not rich, our cost of living is also not as high as those rich countries. I also refuse to believe that the government can't spare anything. Time to make the messiah put his money where his mouth has always been. Those whom the government will not be able to help will need to be taken care of by the rest of Pakistan. For all our ills, we have precedence for this. The Earthquake of 2005 and the floods after that have given me enough confidence in our people. Those still left out of the safety nets will have to be allowed to fend for themselves.

I'm not trying to pretend that it will be easy by any means but we can't knowingly allow hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis die when we have the power to help a lot of them, even if not most.

It is very easy to sit on a computer and be a smarty pants, but extremely difficult to put yourself in the shoes of very Poor and Destitutes - people who have nothing. And the day you will realize this (which I highly doubt), will be the day you will make sensible and practical posts on this forum, and feel for the miserable lives of the poor before you make such remarks or such childish suggestions.

It is just as easy to sit behind a computer and propose the very avoidable deaths of hundreds of thousands of people for economic gain. There cannot be a more childish suggestion than that.

 

[El Sidd]

He is not proposing containment. He is proposing unchecked herd immunity.

It is hard to make sense out of what he is actually proposing. He is caught between conspiracy theories and an indecisive manchild.