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Like India, Pakistan has a Tablighi Jamaat Covid-19 problem too

We have a list circulating on this forum somewhere
lol it was a sarcastic remark but you missed it..
we know who was ghaddar for you.. marde-e-momin zia ul haq..
one mans ghaddar is other mans hero..
so we understand your feelings for hussain haqani and ayesha sadiiqa gang.
 
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written by pakistani author ! Not me ! ab ap us ko ghaddar raw aur mc donalds ka fatwa declare kar dain
We people of the Sub continent need to grow up- Its the same for Indians and Pakistanis- Different sides of the same coin- Stupidity to the core.

Firstly, one of my batch-mates in a computer institute was named Jamal Abdul Nasser after the great Egyptian leader. I don't any sensible parents would name their son Saad after Maulana Saad, the leader of the Indian TJ.
@jamahir - I might know you- Did you study Computer applications in NIIT- Bangalore?- Just say yes or no- Thats enough.
 
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Lies and lies.

TJ Hazarat already told people to follow the guidelines of the government. All the marakaz are closed, no jamat activities or large gatherings at this time, not until
Government lift the restrictions.
 
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I wonder who these tabligi jamat wankers for .. everyone is already musalman here in Pakistan.. these r same ppl who lit cyl in the train nd killed many arnt they .. ffs

As far as I know, the TJ movement does not do dawah among non-Muslims but does work among Muslims that it thinks are not being Muslim enough i.e. if someone does not do prayer, rituals and dress-code.

You may know that many from the Pakistani cricket team have been brought in the TJ.

Inzamam :

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Rofl if I post anything about Iran Zaireen who are 68% of coronavirus super spreaders, I'll be called sectarian and this thread would've been closed down longtime back, but if you are a shia and attack Sunnis alongwith your hindu RSS allies thhe thread will continue as Sunni is not a sect but something to attack and hit as many times as one wants.
 
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Like India, Pakistan has a Tablighi Jamaat Covid-19 problem too. But blame Imran Khan as well

In Pakistan, Tablighi Jamaat is viewed as benign. Militant groups such as Jaish-e-Mohammed do not like them because Tablighis don’t encourage jihad.

AYESHA SIDDIQA 3 April, 2020 10:05 am IST
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India and Pakistan seem to be on the same page as far as the Tablighi Jamaat congregation is concerned. Like in India, after the Nizamuddin Markaz congregation, in Pakistan also, the group is considered as one of the two major sources of the spread of the novel coronavirus.

Many of the 2,000 people that attended the Tablighi Jamaat meeting in Delhi went back to different parts of the country. The Indian government now says that they are spreading the coronavirus in India.

As many as 250,000 people gathered in Pakistan’s Punjab, mid-March to participate in the annual five-day event or Tablighi ijtima. This is where people, mainly subscribing to the Deobandi sect get together to pray and obtain further training in proselytising. Pakistan is predominantly Barelvi. But the Tablighi Jamaat, which was formed in India in 1926, and its congregations are very popular and powerful for two reasons. First, theoretically, it cuts across sects and thus attracts people from all ideological schools, particularly the Barelvis who have no powerful religious forum of their own. Although Maulana Tahir-ul-Qadri’s Minhajul Quran, or politically, the Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan are Barelvi organisations, the Tablighi Jamaat continues to attract Muslims across the board. Even Nawaz Sharif as chief minister of Punjab and later as prime minister supported their gatherings. This is because they are generally viewed as benign.


Second, because of its focus primarily on proselytising, it is popular across the socio-economic classes. From powerful institutions of the state and prominent politicians to the middle and lower middle classes, people are attracted to it for its religious teachings.





Tablighi Jamaat in Pakistan

Although it is accused of links with extremist institutions, in Pakistan’s case, militant organisations such as the Jaish-e-Mohammed do not like the Tablighi Jamaat. This is mainly because Jaish-e-Mohammed has an aversion to any institution that does not encourage jihad. However, it is also a fact that a lot of jihadis from the Deobandi sect were initially inspired to join militant organisations because of the introduction to religion by the Tablighi Jamaat.


Perhaps, this is one of the reasons that the son of (late) Lt General Hameed Gul, known for his contacts with jihadis in Pakistan and Afghanistan, Abdullah Gul was sharp in criticising the media for blaming the Tablighi Jamaat as one of the major sources of coronavirus infection in Pakistan. He said, “Media is constantly spewing venom against Tablighi Jamaat, which is hurting sentiments of millions of people…all those religion-weary news anchors, producers, and all news directors should be fined heavily for such irresponsible behaviour.”

His gripe was that it was the Shia devotees who were responsible for most of the infection.


The problem lies in the structure of the Tablighi Jamaat forum that is based on gathering people from within the country and around the world. Even before the annual get-together in Raiwind, Lahore, teams of proselytisers are dispatched all over the world and inside the country. As per the Tablighi Jamaat system, every team stays in a mosque in the areas they travel to and conduct proselytising activities from there. These tours take place throughout the year. But the annual gathering happens in Lahore.

Also read: Tablighi Jamaat tells its followers not to pursue political dominance in this world

Lockdown still a bad idea?
But does one blame the Tablighi Jamaat for this faux pas or the Punjab government, which was extremely slow in responding to the crisis? The federal government did not behave very differently from its counterparts around the world who took so long in responding to the threat. There still continues to be confusion regarding the lockdown as Prime Minister Imran Khan insists that it is a bad idea.

The Punjab government was neither forceful nor clear in its instructions. This lax attitude was one of the reasons why, as sources said, the Tablighi Jamaat management instructed those of its teams that were yet to finish their tour of duty (the source I spoke to had completed his and had spent four months in the field – from December to March) to go to other places around the country and finish their work.

The Tablighi Jamaat members I spoke with boasted about how well they were organised in Raiwind. After the orders to close shops, there was a separate Tablighi Jamaat office to guide each group on their future course of action. This meant that many of those, who were already exposed to members from countries affected by Covid-19 such as China, Iran, the UK, the US, Spain and others, then moved to other parts in Pakistan carrying the virus with them.

In Sindh, the inspector-general of police Mushtaq Mehr announced a quarantine of all Tablighi Jamaat returnees in his province, especially those sitting in mosques. They would be provided with food and other rations with instructions to the police to ensure that no other person came in contact with them. This meant an end to all preaching activities. This was deemed important after over 130 cases tested positive in the city of Hyderabad. Punjab or Islamabad, on the other hand, have not taken any similar action. While the neighbourhood of Bara Kahu in Islamabad is strictly quarantined as some returning Tablighi Jamaat members tested positive, many of the mosques in smaller towns and rural areas of Punjab with Tablighi Jamaat members sitting inside are reportedly still in action.




The bigger culprit
In many ways, Islamabad and its satellite government in Lahore are even bigger culprits than the Tablighi Jamaat. While Imran Khan remains totally engrossed in his electoral mode by pretending not to hurt sentiments of the religious Right, it is important for him to realise that what he and the world face is an unprecedented turn of events. Religion, though important, cannot be left on its own without any rational guidance. After all, both Iran and Saudi Arabia – the two central hubs of Islamic faith – have ventured to rationalise. Iran stopped Friday prayer gatherings and Saudi Arabia has sealed mosques and even put pilgrimages on hold.

What is required is a firmer but well-thought-out plan of action, especially in Pakistan and India where religion is not simply about faith or culture but is also central to politics and identity of people. Convincing one segment of population becomes tough, especially if the government is seen as partisan.

Closing down Tablighi Jamaat spaces in India, in particular, would require applying rationality to all. Apparently, days after the Tablighi Jamaat gathering at Nizamuddin, there was a large get together at the Shirdi Saibaba temple in Maharashtra. It is the application of greater scientific methodology that will help in survival against this present and clear danger.

The author is research associate at SOAS, London and author of Military Inc. She tweets: @iamthedrifter. Views are personal.
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As far as I know, the TJ movement does not do dawah among non-Muslims but does work among Muslims that it thinks are not being Muslim enough i.e. if someone does not do prayer, rituals and dress-code.

You may know that many from the Pakistani cricket team have been brought in the TJ.

Inzamam :

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Im sure they do.

I am sorry but they are jahiloon.
 
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Few facts:

1. You are a shia.
2. Authors is Pakistani Traitor (renegade)
3. This was published by Indians Website.
4. Shias coming back from Iran were so far blamed for Crona outbreak in Pakistan.

Now we can see your (Some may call malicious) intent for posting This Indian article.


He is just trying to shift the blame from his sect and Iran.


Most respected Sir,

While I admit that the title of the thread has a sectarian bias and @pak-marine may or may not be a Shia; one could counter the allegation with sound arguments instead of maligning the other person's creed and calling the authors of the article ‘Pakistani Traitors because two wrongs do not make a right.

Coronavirus has spread to 200 countries of the world and it would have come to Pakistan regardless. However, it cannot be denied that the returning Zairean from Iran as well as & Tableeghi Jamaat workers were unknowingly instrumental in the rapid spread of COVID-19 in Pakistan.

“Data released by authorities on Monday showed that more than 60 percent of confirmed infections in Punjab – home to some 110 million people, more than half of Pakistan’s total population – were either pilgrims who carried the virus back from Iran or Sunni Muslims who had attended the Lahore congregation held by the Tablighi Jamaat group in mid-March.”

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/heal...onavirus-pakistan-struggles-track-down-100000

According to the Wall Street Journal COVID-19 was also brought to Iran from China:

Strategic Partnership With China Lies at Root of Iran’s Coronavirus Outbreak

Pathogen spread rapidly from Qom, where Chinese-backed projects helped prop up nation’s sanctions-hit economy.

Iranian officials trace the origins of the country’s coronavirus epidemic to the holy city of Qom, home to dozens of seminaries and religious shrines—but also a number of Chinese-backed infrastructure projects built by scores of workers and technicians from China.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/irans-...-root-of-its-coronavirus-outbreak-11583940683


Confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Iran only came to light during the last decade of February. It was only towards the end of the first week of March when it started becoming widespread. Most of the returning Zaireen had therefore gone to Iran before Qom in Iran emerged as a ‘Hub’ of COVID -19. While Iran took no steps at all, it was not until March 16 that Pakistan officially requested Iran to stop the influx of returning pilgrims.

Although quarantine camps had been set up at Taftan, Zaireen were not segregated whereby healthy Zaireen were contaminated by the few who had been infected. Despite opposition from Islamabad, Sind gov’t took the decision to impose a lockdown on Sind around March 21. It the meantime the infected Zaireen had freedom of movement and thus naively facilitated the spread on COVID-19 throughout the country. The real guilt of the rapid spread of COVID -19 in Pakistan, therefore, rests squarely with the governments of Pakistan & of Iran.

Until March 10, there were less than 100 Corona cases in the whole of Pakistan and very few in Punjab, Tableeghi Jamaat gathering at Raiwind happened on March -12, when few people in Pakistan took the threat of Coiivd-19 seriously.

WHO declared COVID-19 as ‘pandemic’ only on March 16. The gov’t of India issued an ‘Advisory’ urging to all Indian states to take social measures on March 17 and Indian lock-down did not start until March 21. Tablighi Jamaat congregation at Nizamuddin Aulia, Delhi, on the other hand, took place during March 11-March 13 when no warning against gathering existed, it is therefore unfair to have expected the Tableeghi Jamaat to cancel the congregation planned months in advance.

I repeat, COVID -19 is a highly contagious virus and it makes no distinction between sect, religion, ethnicity or national borders. Worst hit countries are the USA, Italy & Spain, these countries had no Zaireen returning from Iran or any Tableeghi Jamaat congregation.

While one can understand the religious bias shown by the Hindutva politicians & Indian media blaming the Muslim minority and making Tableeghi a scapegoat for the spread of coronavirus in India; there is no need for us to bring in the sectarian bias against fellow Pakistanis.

Besides, if one reads the article carefully, one would realize that the author is in fact, blaming Imran Khan.

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While Imran Khan remains totally engrossed in his electoral mode by pretending not to hurt sentiments of the religious Right, it is important for him to realize that what he and the world face is an unprecedented turn of events. Religion, though important, cannot be left on its own without any rational guidance. After all, both Iran and Saudi Arabia – the two central hubs of Islamic faith – have ventured to rationalize. Iran stopped Friday prayer gatherings and Saudi Arabia has sealed mosques and even put pilgrimages on hold.

What is required is a firmer but well-thought-out plan of action, especially in Pakistan and India where religion is not simply about faith or culture but is also central to politics and identity of people. Convincing one segment of population becomes tough, especially if the government is seen as partisan.

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We must also remember that criticizing the gov’t does not make one a Traitor or anti-Pakistan. However, the water is now under the bridge and instead of blaming any community, country or person; the need of the hour is to unite as a nation because the worst is yet to come.
 
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Most respected Sir,

While I admit that the title of the thread has a sectarian bias and @pak-marine may or may not be a Shia; one could counter the allegation with sound arguments instead of maligning the other person's creed and calling the authors of the article ‘Pakistani Traitors because two wrongs do not make a right.

Coronavirus has spread to 200 countries of the world and it would have come to Pakistan regardless. However, it cannot be denied that the returning Zairean from Iran as well as & Tableeghi Jamaat workers were unknowingly instrumental in the rapid spread of COVID-19 in Pakistan.

“Data released by authorities on Monday showed that more than 60 percent of confirmed infections in Punjab – home to some 110 million people, more than half of Pakistan’s total population – were either pilgrims who carried the virus back from Iran or Sunni Muslims who had attended the Lahore congregation held by the Tablighi Jamaat group in mid-March.”

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/heal...onavirus-pakistan-struggles-track-down-100000

According to the Wall Street Journal COVID-19 was also brought to Iran from China:

Strategic Partnership With China Lies at Root of Iran’s Coronavirus Outbreak

Pathogen spread rapidly from Qom, where Chinese-backed projects helped prop up nation’s sanctions-hit economy.

Iranian officials trace the origins of the country’s coronavirus epidemic to the holy city of Qom, home to dozens of seminaries and religious shrines—but also a number of Chinese-backed infrastructure projects built by scores of workers and technicians from China.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/irans-...-root-of-its-coronavirus-outbreak-11583940683


Confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Iran only came to light during the last decade of February. It was only towards the end of the first week of March when it started becoming widespread. Most of the returning Zaireen had therefore gone to Iran before Qom in Iran emerged as a ‘Hub’ of COVID -19. While Iran took no steps at all, it was not until March 16 that Pakistan officially requested Iran to stop the influx of returning pilgrims.

Although quarantine camps had been set up at Taftan, Zaireen were not segregated whereby healthy Zaireen were contaminated by the few who had been infected. Despite opposition from Islamabad, Sind gov’t took the decision to impose a lockdown on Sind around March 21. It the meantime the infected Zaireen had freedom of movement and thus naively facilitated the spread on COVID-19 throughout the country. The real guilt of the rapid spread of COVID -19 in Pakistan, therefore, rests squarely with the governments of Pakistan & of Iran.

Until March 10, there were less than 100 Corona cases in the whole of Pakistan and very few in Punjab, Tableeghi Jamaat gathering at Raiwind happened on March -12, when few people in Pakistan took the threat of Coiivd-19 seriously.

WHO declared COVID-19 as ‘pandemic’ only on March 16. The gov’t of India issued an ‘Advisory’ urging to all Indian states to take social measures on March 17 and Indian lock-down did not start until March 21. Tablighi Jamaat congregation at Nizamuddin Aulia, Delhi, on the other hand, took place during March 11-March 13 when no warning against gathering existed, it is therefore unfair to have expected the Tableeghi Jamaat to cancel the congregation planned months in advance.

I repeat, COVID -19 is a highly contagious virus and it makes no distinction between sect, religion, ethnicity or national borders. Worst hit countries are the USA, Italy & Spain, these countries had no Zaireen returning from Iran or any Tableeghi Jamaat congregation.

While one can understand the religious bias shown by the Hindutva politicians & Indian media blaming the Muslim minority and making Tableeghi a scapegoat for the spread of coronavirus in India; there is no need for us to bring in the sectarian bias against fellow Pakistanis.

Besides, if one reads the article carefully, one would realize that the author is in fact, blaming Imran Khan.

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While Imran Khan remains totally engrossed in his electoral mode by pretending not to hurt sentiments of the religious Right, it is important for him to realize that what he and the world face is an unprecedented turn of events. Religion, though important, cannot be left on its own without any rational guidance. After all, both Iran and Saudi Arabia – the two central hubs of Islamic faith – have ventured to rationalize. Iran stopped Friday prayer gatherings and Saudi Arabia has sealed mosques and even put pilgrimages on hold.

What is required is a firmer but well-thought-out plan of action, especially in Pakistan and India where religion is not simply about faith or culture but is also central to politics and identity of people. Convincing one segment of population becomes tough, especially if the government is seen as partisan.

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We must also remember that criticizing the gov’t does not make one a Traitor or anti-Pakistan. However, the water is now under the bridge and instead of blaming any community, country or person; the need of the hour is to unite as a nation because the worst is yet to come.

its Classic attitude by countrymen shoot the messenger ! many got offended because Tablighis are not to to discussed it’s strictly hush hush by Pakistanis.
just go through the comments and you will see the sectarianism pooping out of their ... hilarious thing is same kind was so protective and anxious when zaireen came now since Tablighi came under the microscope they cannot digest it .
 
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