Lieutenant General, who led Operation Blue Star, attacked in London

[Abingdonboy]

I reiterate:

You won't find a more patriotic Indian than a Sikh. I feel it is counter-intuitive and incredibly insulting to question the loyalties of a community who have shed plenty of blood for INDIA.

 

[Ticker]

Pakistanis cannot own property in Kashmir to allow the land from being over-exploited, it's an agreement between Government of Azad Kashmir and GoP.

This is according to the diktat of UN resolutions.

Non Kashmir state subjects are not allowed to buy property in the whole of Kashmir, even in Indian Occupied Kashmir.

 

[harpoon]

Interview of Gen Brar:

Twenty years later, how do you look back on Operation Bluestar?

I look back in sorrow that it had to happen.

Apparently, the government had no other recourse. The events in Punjab [ Images ] had reached a complete breakdown.

The Sikh militants were in total control of the state machinery. There was a strong feeling that Khalistan was going to be established at any time. [Jarnail Singh] Bhindranwale was being seen as a prophet; he was making very strong speeches against [the then prime minister] Indira Gandhi [ Images ] and non-Sikhs; and trying to send a message across to the rural areas that the Sikhs are being given second-grade treatment and that it is high time we formed our own independent state of Khalistan. There was a strong possibility of Pakistan helping them and I think there was the possibility of a Bangladesh being repeated.

I can't comment on the inside of politics, but I assume that after taking everything into consideration, the prime minister and the government decided this was the only course of action left if we were to keep this country together, to prevent its fragmentation, to prevent Khalistan. And having seen reports of about 2,000 militants inside [Amritsar's [ Images ] Golden Temple] with any number of machine guns, different types of weapons, it was clearly beyond the capabilities of the police force to flush out the militants from the Golden Temple; the task had to be entrusted to the Army.

As a soldier, if I am given an order, I obey it and 20 years later, all I can say is I wish the situation had never risen that such an order had to be passed. And God forbid we have to do it again.

What General Brar told Rediff - Rediff.com India News

 

[Joe Shearer]

ha ha ha .......

It is on the net also.

Please find it yourself or better ask some one in the Indian Army.

The percentage of Sikh soldiers joining Indian Army was reduced.

There were three incidents of any size, although there were minor incidents otherwise, an individual raising a slogan, rungs like that.

There was NEVER any reduction of recruitment - NEVER,!

 

[Ticker]

Lets stick closer to home? Lal Masjid guess u went try and how about posting some photos? The kaaba was clearly damaged yest someone repaired and millions pray to it. Stop this hipocracy. Mecca Madina vatican and Hindu temples as well CPC can be destroyed as they are created by man and hence can be Destroyed by man.

accept it and enjoy it.

Some of you don't want to understand.

I give a damn about it. You can lump it bummer.

There were three incidents of any size, although there were minor incidents otherwise, an individual raising a slogan, rungs like that.

There was NEVER any reduction of recruitment - NEVER,!

OK. I believe you. But I have read otherwise and do have the figures. These could be wrong.

 

[kaykay]

Some of you don't want to understand.

I give a damn about it. You can lump it bummer.



OK. I believe you. But I have read otherwise and do have the figures. These could be wrong.

because we don't understand dumb things.......next time come up with something which is not dumb at all.......period!!

 

[Ticker]

I reiterate:

You won't find a more patriotic Indian than a Sikh. I feel it is counter-intuitive and incredibly insulting to question the loyalties of a community who have shed plenty of blood for INDIA.

ha ha ha .....

All of you are part of a mutual praise group. Propaganda machine. ha ha ha

Remain blinded by the realities, which may confront you later.

 

[asad71]

1. Blue Star was horrible mistake committed by Indira - one for which she paid with her life. She had become too imperious and over-confident after the "victory" in BD. I say "victory" because it was really our victory for which we fought for 9 months making huge sacrifices. Indians gate-crashed in the last two weeks to steal victory from us.

2. Desecrating the holiest site of the Sikhs, killing Bhindranwalle and Gen Sabek Singh in cold blood, the 1984 genocide of the Sikhs and the resultant Hindu-Sikh animosity has in truth alienated the Sikhs from the State of India.

3. Khalistan is brewing to erupt - any day.

 

[Ticker]

because we don't understand dumb things.......next time come up with something which is not dumb at all.......period!!

Most dumb people don't even understand simple things.

You proved yourself to be of a dumb background from your earlier posts as well. Nothing new in this one.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I went for Haj the very next year and physically saw what you call the horrific way in which Macca Mosque had to be cleared. I was though very small, but I do clearly remember what I saw. The only damage that I saw was in the basement. I thought I remember a probable bullet hole on the Kaaba itself and nothing more. You see the Kaaba is covered by a specially made cloth. I did not see any damage to that. Which means there was not damage to Kaaba itself.

The fanatics had in fact holed up in the basement.

You should know the layout of the Golden Temple. The temple itself was not touched. The great building over the entrance gate, the Akal Takht, the Eternal Seat, or the Khalsa Seat, was the scene of the heaviest fighting; the terrorists had taken it over. It was repaired twice; when it became clear that thereb were extremist pressures on the SGPC preventing them from repairing the building, the head of the buddha Dal offered to do the repairs and did it. The extremists immediately broke down the repaired portions and did it over again which was the whole point.

 

[Kloitra]

1. Blue Star was horrible mistake committed by Indira - one for which she paid with her life. She had become too imperious and over-confident after the "victory" in BD. I say "victory" because it was really our victory for which we fought for 9 months making huge sacrifices. Indians gate-crashed in the last two weeks to steal victory from us.

True enough. It was the intoxication of apparent victory which caused millions of BDeshis to flood in India!

2. Desecrating the holiest site of the Sikhs, killing Bhindranwalle and Gen Sabek Singh in cold blood, the 1984 genocide of the Sikhs and the resultant Hindu-Sikh animosity has in truth alienated the Sikhs from the State of India.

Killing armed militants, who have infiltrated one of the most sacred part of temple, which goes against all teachings of Sikhism is cold blooded. Funny, why the Saudis killed the terrorist hijacking Mecca. How could they be so cold blooded...

3. Khalistan is brewing to erupt - any day.

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

1. Blue Star was horrible mistake committed by Indira - one for which she paid with her life. She had become too imperious and over-confident after the "victory" in BD. I say "victory" because it was really our victory for which we fought for 9 months making huge sacrifices. Indians gate-crashed in the last two weeks to steal victory from us.

2. Desecrating the holiest site of the Sikhs, killing Bhindranwalle and Gen Sabek Singh in cold blood, the 1984 genocide of the Sikhs and the resultant Hindu-Sikh animosity has in truth alienated the Sikhs from the State of India.

3. Khalistan is brewing to erupt - any day.

good that we have some cartoons like this one... brings balance to some discussions which may be touchy sometimes and more than not a troll thread..

 

[Neuro]

I dont agree with you that sikhs were demanding khalistan.Even bhindrawalle never favored khalistan.Once he asked that will u favor it? he said no...

But indira created whole mess and got the bullets inside her a$$..and m proud on it...

and later on groups of sikhs were declared terrorist who were created by indira earlier to sort out political mess..

i dont agree on khalistan etc and m indian first...but the justice india gave to sikhs is more than wound which will never get healed..and it has raised the voice of separate country inside india and outside india..

Our media dont show the rallies take place in west agaisnt indian govt and ppl dont get to know abt it too...and still those who killed sikhs are roaming free and many among us like manmoron singh n others are licking the a## of gandhis..

and when UN asked india abt the murders of sikhs and india sent the manmoron singh to save its a##....

Same thing applicable to Rajiv , Sikhs and Tamils are real victims of gandhi family.

 

[Ticker]

The fanatics had in fact holed up in the basement.

You should know the layout of the Golden Temple. The temple itself was not touched. The great building over the entrance gate, the Akal Takht, the Eternal Seat, or the Khalsa Seat, was the scene of the heaviest fighting; the terrorists had taken it over. It was repaired twice; when it became clear that thereb were extremist pressures on the SGPC preventing them from repairing the building, the head of the buddha Dal offered to do the repairs and did it. The extremists immediately broke down the repaired portions and did it over again which was the whole point.

Not all of them holed up in the basement, but some of them. I had a relative who was an engineer in the Macca electricity company. He was in the midst of it all. Heard much from him later.

 

[Ticker]

against the fanciful stories you have 'sat down' and listened to the oldies tell you, I have my own day-to-day experiences. In that period of 84 and 85, I was a traveling manager with my own team in various states and spent over 21 days a month in travel. I was in the Punjab at the worst times and saw how people were visibly losing hope. There was no law and order; the justice system was packing up. People like the Pahwas of Avon Cycles were thinking of pulling out permanently, nd they were from traditional stock, where the eldest son is always baptized Sikh. You can imagine the state of their bigger neighbors, the Munjals.

Please be sure that this will never be allowed to recur, and that this is why the country insists that peace be made with the Indian constitution as a framework. Once this is accepted, all else is negotiable. That is how the Nagas were brought in, then the Mizos, then the Ahoms. That is the only solution for anyone and everyone else. What disgruntled and emotional individuals feel is finally of no consequence. As long as Sikhs vote, and hold office, and elect the president, and pay taxes, they can feel as hurt as they like, but they will get nothing out of it.

Oh, believe me these were not fanciful stories at all. The oldies I talk about, took part in the operation itself. Some rose quite high in the Army. It was very very interesting to talk to some of those gentlemen. The environment, why certain actions were taken and how the restrain was exercised etc etc. Wonderful sittings. I thoroughly enjoyed those sittings.