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The Fact is Kim died with Honors and Gaddafi died in a hole

kim didn't die with honour. he died by heart attack because of his obsession with food. got diabetes and died, nothing honourable with that.

Democracy won't come to a tribal country, they are fighting themselves.

yeah... Europe was a tribal society to... look where it is now. as i said, you can't expect democracy right away... it takes time.
 
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Yeah, because after he gave up your names to IAEA as part of a deal with west to lift sanctions on Libya, then obviously Iran did not care anymore about him. But if he had not done so, I am sure, Iran would have saved him, the same way they are now saving Assad in Syria.
To be honest, Iran considered Gadaffi as a double faced person. He was not that kind of leader we could share our long term goals (as there was a chance that he could betray us to the West) with neither he had the (intellectual) capacity to understand.
Like i said before, every dictatorship has its expiry date. The expiration date of Gadafis regime was in 2011.
 
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kim didn't die with honour. he died by heart attack because of his obsession with food. got diabetes and died, nothing honourable with that.



yeah... Europe was a tribal society to... look where it is now. as i said, you can't expect democracy right away... it takes time.

Nope he died with honors and had a burial, Gaddafi embraced the west and died in a hole like a rat and lost 3 of his sons and 3 of his grandchildren.

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kim didn't die with honour. he died by heart attack because of his obsession with food. got diabetes and died, nothing honourable with that.



yeah... Europe was a tribal society to... look where it is now. as i said, you can't expect democracy right away... it takes time.

Europe was not tribal.
 
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kim didn't die with honour. he died by heart attack because of his obsession with food. got diabetes and died, nothing honourable with that.

He meant this

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He was a stupid guy who was fooled by west to betray himself and his country as well as Pakistan. By the way those SAM's were useless, since he had never built them himself and Russia had tipped NATO about their capabilities for example telling them that they did not have simultaneous firing capability and probably even had given the IFF codes of those missiles to NATO which basically meant that they could not lock on the NATO aircraft since NATO fighter jets computers already had all the IFF codes for these missiles. Additionally all those 20,000 missiles were shoulder fired which have a short range and a maximum effective altitude of less than 9,000 feet while all modern Jet fighters can fly near to 60,000 feet or even higher, so those were completely useless against NATO. He needed to have S-300PMU2 systems probably something like 12 batteries of them. Shoulder fired SAMS are only good to defend small number of soldiers in open against helicopters, not cities against fighter jets.

Well-said. Libyans leader and military officers must be thinking shoulder-fire missiles is useful to prevent aggressions but it is obviously not. I think, they learned something from Afghanistan mujahadeen's traditional shoulder missiles shooting all of Soviets. Not only this, Libya is very valuable target to the ocean which is the headquarters of NATO in north countries.

This is something we must teach Arab people to understand, they tend to fall easily under the West. Look at the examples of Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria revolutions which gave alot of respects to the West powers. We see, the problems is these Arab people can change their minds to support West against long-serving dictators by accepting guns and money while North Korean people continue to keep stick with their leader Kim Jong!

Pakistan is similarly but has earlier nuclear bombs and professional militarys, US today will try to stab its back but failures.

No However I was very much interested in the Pakistan-NK friendship why don't you say a prayer for kim jong il ?


Sure, you are mostly welcome. Please focus this topic.
 
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Just like Syria,Soviet Union,North Korean the Libyans were just selling weapons to Iran. There was no special relationship between Arab Jamahiriya and Islamic Republic as it was (is) between Syria& Iran
Arab Jamahiriya went on a wrong course that resulted in its collapse due to its wrong foreign and internal policies

Well, during a war, this is called alliance. At that time, Iranian army had not even yet touched a ballistic missile, since they did not have one while Saddam was raining Tehran with ballistic missiles. It was Qaddafi and North Korea who provided Iran with Scud-B systems and taught them how to use the systems. Iran brought those systems and took its revenge on Saddam which surprised Saddam alot since no country in the world would give Iran such a system and Iran could not build them at the time.
 
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Well, during a war, this is called alliance. At that time, Iranian army had not even yet touched a ballistic missile, since they did not have one while Saddam was raining Tehran with ballistic missiles. It was Qaddafi and North Korea who provided Iran with Scud-B systems and taught them how to use the systems. Iran brought those systems and took its revenge on Saddam which surprised Saddam alot since no country in the world would give Iran such a system and Iran could not build them at the time.
Time changes people, and it changes leaders,countries. After 80's Gadaffi had no interest in a alliance with Iran as it can be noticed from his statements/speeches (latest dates back from 2008, in which he warned Iran of a humiliation)
 
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still, doesn't change the fact that kim died because of his obsession with food. Gaddafi atleast died after a fight, what did that fat kim die from?

You still don't get it do you ? Gaddafi was sodomized and his left to die like a deer by an insane mob.
 
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