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Liaoning carrier battle group three-tier anti-air defenses

Wen Wei Po says the likely Liaoning carrier battle group composition is:

4 Type 052C/Type 052D destroyers
2 Type 052B destroyers
2-4 Type 054A frigates
1-2 Type 093 Shang nuclear submarines
1 supply ship

Three lines of anti-air defenses:

First line: Z-8s and J-15s
Second line: HQ-9 SAMs on Type 052C/Type 052D destroyers
Third line: SA-N-12 SAMs on Type 052B destroyers and HQ-16 SAMs on Type 054A frigates

"The formation could handle 24 attacking targets simultaneously."

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China's carrier group secretly assembling: reports | Latest | FOCUS TAIWAN - CNA ENGLISH NEWS

"China's carrier group secretly assembling: reports
By Tsai Su-jung and Lilian Wu
2013/05/04 19:55:45

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From the website of China's Ministry of National Defense​

Taipei, May 4 (CNA) Escort ships for China's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, are quietly assembling at Qingdao Harbor and the carrier battle group is suspected to be sailing out soon, a Hong Kong-based Chinese-language newspaper said Saturday.

Wen Wei Po said in its online version that the carrier battle group might comprise the Liaoning, four type 052C or 052D destroyers, two type 052B destroyers, two to four type 054A escort ships, one or two type 093 nuclear submarines and one supply ship.

The reports also said the aircraft carrier could carry 22 J-15 fighter planes, four to six Z-8 early warning planes and around 12 Ka-27 anti-submarine helicopters.

Judging from the formation, the carrier group could form three lines of anti-air defenses, the first being formed by the Z-8s and J-15s and the second by the Hongqi-9 surface-to-air missiles aboard the 052C/D anti-air destroyers.

The third anti-air line will be formed by the SA-N-12 mid- and close-range anti-aircraft missiles aboard the 052B destroyers and Hongqi-16 mid-and close-range anti-aircraft missiles aboard the four 054A escort ships. The formation could handle 24 attacking targets simultaneously.

The reports said anti-submarine work is one of the group's other major missions, with the outer line of defense formed by its 093 nuclear submarines, and its middle line by the 052B destroyers and 054A escort ships.

The O54A escort ships are each equipped with eight anti-submarine missiles.

The J-15 fighters could be equipped with two anti-ship missiles each. As the Liaoning can mobilize 12 planes in one sortie, 24 anti-ship missiles could be fired in each sortie.

The report also touched on the group's anti-ship capacity.

Its 0522 destroyers are each equipped with eight Yingji-62 anti-ship missiles, which have a range of over 300 km.

In addition, the 052B and 054A ships are equipped with Yingji-83 missiles with a range of nearly 200 km. The flotilla has 64 Yingji-83 missiles.

The nearly 100 anti-ship missiles will form a daunting combat capacity.

The report said the Liaoning battle group's capacity could well overwhelm light carrier formations and non-carrier surface ship formations such as Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force.

If supported by shore-based large early warning planes, refueling planes and anti-submarine planes, it could even counter a single U.S. carrier battle group.

But the report also said that currently, the carrier group still suffers the drawbacks of insufficient capacity of its escort ships, insufficient capacity of its equipped weapons and low capacity of its supply ships."

[Note: The article also discusses a likely Liaoning carrier battle group's anti-submarine and anti-ship capabilities. Read it!]
 
Why the Type 052B?

Does it have better anti-sub capability

Will production of the destroyers continue?

The Type 052D "Red Aegis" is the most advanced Chinese destroyer, including anti-submarine capability. It's just that China is in the process of building the first three or four ships.

Thus, it makes sense to utilize the existing Type 052B destroyers as a supplement.

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Citations for superior Type 052D anti-submarine capability.

Type 052D VLS cell is more versatile in weaponry options

Yes. Two 32-cell sections. One near the bow and the other aft.

Each group has 8x4 cells. Count them.

The cool feature about the Type 052D cell is that it can fire various types of weapons, not only anti-aircraft missiles. It can also fire anti-ship and anti-submarine weapons. It could fire LACMs (land-attack cruise missiles).

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China building new Type 052D destroyer

"China building new Type 052D destroyer
China.org.cn, August 31, 2012
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According to China Military News, the new destroyers are equipped with two 32-unit vertical launch systems capable of launching HQ-9B air-defense missiles, anti-ship and anti-submarine missiles. The original YJ-62 missile launchers used on the Type 052C do not appear to be present on the new destroyer. It has been speculated that the Type 052D could be equipped with a naval-style version of the DH-10 land-attack cruise missile.

Defense analysts expect the Type 052D to enter service in 2014."

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Type 052D improvements over Type 052C "Red Aegis" destroyer

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1. Larger main gun: 130 mm vs. 100 mm

2. More secure communication: Chinese Link 16 vs. Link 11/TADIL-A equivalent

3. Larger and more advanced phased array radar: Flat AESA vs. Convex AESA radar

4. More numerous and versatile VLS (vertical launch system): 64 versatile VLS cells vs. 48 AAW VLS cells

The more versatile VLS on the Type 052D is capable of firing a wider set of weapons and some could be quad-packed (e.g. four smaller missiles in the same VLS canister):

AAW (anti-aircraft warfare) or SAM (surface-to-air missile)
ASW (anti-submarine warfare) or ASROC (anti-submarine rocket)
AShM (anti-ship missile)
LACM (land-attack cruise missile)

Since 8 YJ-62 AShMs were removed from the deck of the Type 052C and moved into the Type 052D VLS canisters, the net gain in missiles capability is actually eight. 64 - 8 - 48 = 8 net gain in missiles on Type 052D destroyer.

5. More powerful gas turbine powerplant: domestic QC-280 turbines vs. Ukrainian DA80/DN80 gas turbines

References:

Defense Updates: Chinese Type 052C and 052D class destroyers compared during construction
http://asw.newpacificinstitute.org/?p=11500
Information Dissemination: The emergence of 052D
Type 052D destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Type 052C destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Link 16 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MIL-STD-6011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I couldnt find pics of Z-18, Can some one kindly share them here if they have any? Thanks.

If supported by shore-based large early warning planes, refueling planes and anti-submarine planes, it could even counter a single U.S. carrier battle group
HELLOOO! What about DF-21? :azn:
 
I feel so much pride for my homeland when I see the beautiful Liaoning. She represents the wishes of all Chinese people worldwide, the wish for a strong and powerful China that can never again be bullied by the west. The next century belongs to us and there will definitely be more carriers to come! 中国万岁!中华民族万岁!中国人民万岁! :china:
 
Why the Type 052B?
Will production of the destroyers continue?
Not, China won't plan to build new 052B class deatroyer. 052B class just a transitional design of domestic air-defense destroyer before PLAN got their HHQ-9 & HHQ-16 VLS, it installs 2x SA-N-12 missiles launchers following China imported Russia 4x sovremenny class destroyers.

All 2x 052B class will join the AC16 fleet.
 
For PLAN the AC16 is more like a test platform, to train China 1st groups of Navy crews how to operate a Aircraft Carrier. Indeed China didn't plan to own one AC fleet, the "LiaoNing" AC16 just the beignning China prepare to bulid more new domestic aircraft carriers. Anyway AC16 still a good AC for current PLAN and it need other warship guards

2x 039B class AIP submarine
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2x 054A class high-performance frigate, each total 32x HHQ-16 anti-aircraft missiles
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2x 052B class destroyer, each total 48x SA-N-12 anti-aircraft missiles
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2x 051C class air-defense destroyer, each total 48x SA-N-6C anti-aircraft missiles
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2x 052C class air-defense destroyer, each total 48x HHQ-9 anti-aircraft missiles
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2x 052D class air-defense destroyer, each total 64x HHQ-xxx(unknown) anti-aircraft missiles
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But China new 052D class design very STRANGE...!
I mean many 052D class pics & CG don't show its anti-ship missile launchers. Many ppl guess these 64x VLS unites might not all r anti-aircraft missiles, the Chinese develop a new universial hot-launched VLS, difference with original HHQ-9 & HHQ-16. The new VLS unite could launch anti-aircraft missile,also could launch anti-ship missile and cruise missile. Anyway the 052D destroyer own new designed VLS, it's still mysterious before officials release datas about new China 052D class air-defense destroyer.


About 055 class:
According to information & rumors on China military formus, this time after several new 052D class and new 10x 052C class building plans, China will start to build the real >10,000 ton air-defense destroyer(most Chinese military fans expect) 055 class. Only the 055 class 10,000 ton air-defense destroyer will be the guards for domestic China designed aircraft carrier, the time will be 2017-2018 and domestic A.C also will turn out.

New 052D class out indicates China Navy step into Phased Array Radar Destroyer Time, currently many 052D class destoryers building in China shipbuilding yard (i read new warship pics showed >4x 052D building)...
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Not, China won't plan to build new 052B class deatroyer. 052B class just a transitional design of domestic air-defense destroyer before PLAN got their HHQ-9 & HHQ-16 VLS, it installs 2x SA-N-12 missiles launchers following China imported Russia 4x sovremenny class destroyers.

All 2x 052B class will join the AC16 fleet.

Wait, how can the crews reload the missile launchers?
 
Wait, how can the crews reload the missile launchers?
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Not reloaded by crews. Extra SA-N-12 missiles store under the launcher, when reloading the launcher arm will keep vertical position and new missile slides into it by guide rail, whole reload time within 1-2 second.

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At the moment, China uses 051C but not 052C for the aircraft training
And the final battle group will include 2 type 055 destroyers + 2 052C/D
 
At the moment, China uses 051C but not 052C for the aircraft training
And the final battle group will include 2 type 055 destroyers + 2 052C/D
2x 055 class ?
No idea about 055, only knew will build it after finish current plan of building 052D & 052C class destroyers. And question is how the 055 looks like? Except some fans CG here nobody exactly know 055 class shipbody.:help:
 
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