Li Keqiang hails Pakistan as China's 'iron brother'

[cloud_9]

He wants to convey that if you have skills you can make MMS smile atleast if NOT speak

What kind of skills are we talking about ??

 

[Spring Onion]

What kind of skills are we talking about ??

Am not Chinese PM how can i explain

 

[muse]

WRONG.

I specifically disputed the dishonest claims in the article point by point by citing contrary evidence.

Ok, then, you did well.

Lets move on -- We had earlier mentioned that Pakistan is the training ground for terrorists aimed at China and that Pakistan refuse to bring these terrorists to justice, indeed, the so called Pakistan army and politicians under the direction of the so called Pakistan army, offer succor to these terrorists and others.

We added that Pakistan are not serious about engaging the full commercial potential of the Sino-Pak relationship, we (dishonestly, under US Zionist tutelage, but factually correct) pointed out that the volume of trade between India and China was larger than the total volume of Pakistan's trade with the world.

Our basic point was/is that Pakistan fail to in Iqbal's words "vividly comprehend" the relationship and that our hope is that by moving meyond "praise *****-dom", we may effect this sad state of affairs in the positive

BUT - what is Chinese thinking in this matter?? Below is a Global Times Editorial - please read it carefully, the editorial speaks to many, You decide who it speaks to Primarily - to Pakistanis, to Indians, to the US and to regional players -- I would ask @Develepereo to offer a dissection of this editorial

Ties with Pakistan aid China's soft power
Global Times | 2013-5-23 0:43:01
By Global Times


Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and his entourage flew from India to Pakistan yesterday for a two-day visit. The plane was escorted by six Pakistani Air Force JF-17 fighter jets after entering Pakistani airspace.

Both Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and caretaker Prime Minister Mir Hazar Khan Khoso welcomed Li at the airport in person, which clearly reflects the "all-weather" friendship between China and Pakistan.

Developing friendly cooperation with both India and Pakistan, a pair of neighbors with many disputes, meets the interests of China, as well as the interests of the whole region. China has played a positive role in the continuous easing of the relationship between India and Pakistan. China has not played balancing strategy, using one country against the other.

The relationship between India and China has grown broader while the Sino-Pakistan relations have gained depth. Pakistan's importance to China has never been weakened despite its relatively turbulent political situation and slower economic development compared with China and India in recent years. Pakistan will play a pivotal role in China's South Asian strategy.

India has long been sensitive to the Sino-Pakistan relationship, even suspecting that China secretly helped Pakistan master nuclear technology. These suspicions are groundless but cannot easily be dispelled.

China will not exploit Pakistan as a political card to play. This should be considered part of the mutual understanding between China and India. However, India must accept and adapt to the enviable friendship between China and Pakistan, which is not aimed at any third party and has no upper limit. China cannot scale down this relationship merely because of India's feelings.

The strategic value of the Sino-Pakistani relationship is also of regional significance. It is conducive to the stability of western China and can also assist, rather than harm, the Sino-Indian relationship on the whole.

The friendly relationship between China and Pakistan is a part of China's soft power. The more friends we have, the more active we will be in making other friends.

The urgent priority for Pakistan is the full realization of national peace and stability and developing its economy.

A prosperous, vibrant Pakistan will be an emerging market for a large number of Chinese companies. An economically vibrant Pakistan will be conducive to geopolitical balance in South Asia.

Although we always use the phrase "friends" to describe China and Pakistan, we have not devoted as much energy to South Asia as we have to East Asia.

China's input in Pakistan must not be short-term or exploitative. We must not underestimate Pakistan which is temporarily at an ebb. Efforts we put into Pakistan today will be strategically rewarded in future.

South Asia is a relatively weak link in China's peripheral strategy, but without a doubt it also has huge diplomatic potential for China. It's time for China to seriously do something to develop South Asia politically and economically.

 

[qinglong-china]

Ok, then, you did well.

Lets move on -- We had earlier mentioned that Pakistan is the training ground for terrorists aimed at China and that Pakistan refuse to bring these terrorists to justice, indeed, the so called Pakistan army and politicians under the direction of the so called Pakistan army, offer succor to these terrorists and others.

We added that Pakistan are not serious about engaging the full commercial potential of the Sino-Pak relationship, we (dishonestly, under US Zionist tutelage, but factually correct) pointed out that the volume of trade between India and China was larger than the total volume of Pakistan's trade with the world.

Our basic point was/is that Pakistan fail to in Iqbal's words "vividly comprehend" the relationship and that our hope is that by moving meyond "praise *****-dom", we may effect this sad state of affairs in the positive

BUT - what is Chinese thinking in this matter?? Below is a Global Times Editorial - please read it carefully, the editorial speaks to many, You decide who it speaks to Primarily - to Pakistanis, to Indians, to the US and to regional players -- I would ask @Develepereo to offer a dissection of this editorial

Ties with Pakistan aid China's soft power
Global Times | 2013-5-23 0:43:01
By Global Times


Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and his entourage flew from India to Pakistan yesterday for a two-day visit. The plane was escorted by six Pakistani Air Force JF-17 fighter jets after entering Pakistani airspace.

Both Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and caretaker Prime Minister Mir Hazar Khan Khoso welcomed Li at the airport in person, which clearly reflects the "all-weather" friendship between China and Pakistan.

Developing friendly cooperation with both India and Pakistan, a pair of neighbors with many disputes, meets the interests of China, as well as the interests of the whole region. China has played a positive role in the continuous easing of the relationship between India and Pakistan. China has not played balancing strategy, using one country against the other.

The relationship between India and China has grown broader while the Sino-Pakistan relations have gained depth. Pakistan's importance to China has never been weakened despite its relatively turbulent political situation and slower economic development compared with China and India in recent years. Pakistan will play a pivotal role in China's South Asian strategy.

India has long been sensitive to the Sino-Pakistan relationship, even suspecting that China secretly helped Pakistan master nuclear technology. These suspicions are groundless but cannot easily be dispelled.

China will not exploit Pakistan as a political card to play. This should be considered part of the mutual understanding between China and India. However, India must accept and adapt to the enviable friendship between China and Pakistan, which is not aimed at any third party and has no upper limit. China cannot scale down this relationship merely because of India's feelings.

The strategic value of the Sino-Pakistani relationship is also of regional significance. It is conducive to the stability of western China and can also assist, rather than harm, the Sino-Indian relationship on the whole.

The friendly relationship between China and Pakistan is a part of China's soft power. The more friends we have, the more active we will be in making other friends.

The urgent priority for Pakistan is the full realization of national peace and stability and developing its economy.

A prosperous, vibrant Pakistan will be an emerging market for a large number of Chinese companies. An economically vibrant Pakistan will be conducive to geopolitical balance in South Asia.

Although we always use the phrase "friends" to describe China and Pakistan, we have not devoted as much energy to South Asia as we have to East Asia.

China's input in Pakistan must not be short-term or exploitative. We must not underestimate Pakistan which is temporarily at an ebb. Efforts we put into Pakistan today will be strategically rewarded in future.

South Asia is a relatively weak link in China's peripheral strategy, but without a doubt it also has huge diplomatic potential for China. It's time for China to seriously do something to develop South Asia politically and economically.

source? I can not find it

 

[Developereo]

Ok, then, you did well.

Still no point-by-point defence of the intellectual dishonesty in your cut-and-paste article?

We added that Pakistan are not serious about engaging the full commercial potential of the Sino-Pak relationship, we (dishonestly, under US Zionist tutelage, but factually correct) pointed out that the volume of trade between India and China was larger than the total volume of Pakistan's trade with the world.

You claimed that the India-China trade model was one for Pakistan to follow.

On bilateral trade of $68 billion, India runs a deficit of $40 billion.

That's not exactly a good model to follow.

I would ask @Develepereo to offer a dissection of this editorial

I already said the same thing in this post.

The China-India relationship is in a rocky courtship mode, so it needs more attention. As Pakistanis we have no problem with the China-India relationship because we understand that, as a rising global player, China needs to have a good relationship with as many countries as possible.

China-Pakistan relationship is a mature, time-tested bond which doesn't need cosmetic flourishes. However, it does not mean that Pakistan should become complacent: even your best friend will get annoyed if you keep reneging on your commitments, are always sick and he has to keep carrying you. Pakistan must learn to pull its own weight and contribute meaningfully to the relationship. China has been kind and patient, but we don't expect them to do charity.

 

[muse]

source? I can not find it

Ties with Pakistan aid China's soft power - Frontpage - OP-ED - Globaltimes.cn

 

[qinglong-china]

Ties with Pakistan aid China's soft power - Frontpage - OP-ED - Globaltimes.cn

thank you.

 

[muse]

You claimed that the India-China trade model was one for Pakistan to follow.
On bilateral trade of $68 billion, India runs a deficit of $40 billion.
That's not exactly a good model to follow.
.

You spoke of intellectual dishonesty and perhaps you may see how such a claim is an exaggeration -- I made no such claims, the claims I made is related to the total volume of trade
Earlier we spoke of View from Mcleoud Road -- to Chinese readers, that road is important because of pakistani Banks and companies on that road -- so their point of view is not about emotion, they calculate "deep" with real measures of value, not sentiment, I know you understand this.

Develpereo FOCUS man-- The Global Times Editorial - please give us a detailed analysis -- Who is the primary audience ?? How should we understand the "Broad" with India and " Deep" with Pakistan? What are we to make of the call for a general understanding about Pakistan between China and India?? What is the relevance of the prescription offered to Pakistan? And Why is investment in South Asia now a priority?

 

[Developereo]

You spoke of intellectual dishonesty and perhaps you may see how such a claim is an exaggeration -- I made no such claims, the claims I made is related to the total volume of trade

Wrong. The claim was in the context of "exploring Chinese markets", i.e. exports to China, hence it becomes important to dissect the "total" figure into its constituents of import and export, and the types of products.

The Express Tribune propaganda piece made the same mistake: he dissected the Pak-China trade as a "colonial" compact and then pointed to China-India trade as an example to emulate. Sadly, the author didn't bother dissecting the India-China trade relationship, or he wouldn't have used it as a counter example.

Who is the primary audience ?? How should we understand the "Broad" with India and " Deep" with Pakistan? What are we to make of the call for a general understanding about Pakistan between China and India?? What is the relevance of the prescription offered to Pakistan? And Why is investment in South Asia now a priority?

Since you pasted it, I would rather hear your interpretation first.

 

[American Knight]

thank you.

and what about our country ??? iron enemy ???

 

[qinglong-china]

You spoke of intellectual dishonesty and perhaps you may see how such a claim is an exaggeration -- I made no such claims, the claims I made is related to the total volume of trade
Earlier we spoke of View from Mcleoud Road -- to Chinese readers, that road is important because of pakistani Banks and companies on that road -- so their point of view is not about emotion, they calculate "deep" with real measures of value, not sentiment, I know you understand this.

Develpereo FOCUS man-- The Global Times Editorial - please give us a detailed analysis -- Who is the primary audience ?? How should we understand the "Broad" with India and " Deep" with Pakistan? What are we to make of the call for a general understanding about Pakistan between China and India?? What is the relevance of the prescription offered to Pakistan? And Why is investment in South Asia now a priority?

brother, I find chinese version of the daily special.
I don't know how to say.
After reading english version, I am very angry. But After reading chinese version, I am glad.
The main meaning of Chinese version is that calling on more chinese for greater investment in Pakistan.
This is the cultural differences in understanding it.

Title of Chinese version is Six JF-17 escort for the China-Pakistan friendship (六架枭龙战机为中巴友好护&#33322
http://joowii.com/arc/jwbt/hqsb/2013/0523/145458_14.html

 

[EXPERIMENT]

What is being lost in the petty India-Pakistan competition on the new China view is the distinct change China is taking.
China recognizes the US as its threat and knows the US is focusing on it. So it too is now moving its full focus to get the US out of Asia.
It does not want the US to have sole leverage over India and the recent statements show so.
It also knows that within the proxy war it fights with the US in Pakistan it has to ensure its interests are always met.

Confucius smart No?

Please replace China with India in your paragraph except on last reference. Your statement is true, however a matter of perspective. US in Pakistan is: (believe it or not) also a recognised threat within India. India can polish the media but the underlying think tanks say otherwise.

 

[muse]

Since you pasted it, I would rather hear your interpretation first.

OK, I think the editorial is very matter of fact and is aimed primarily at the India -- it makes clear that China has a "broad" relationship with India and "deep" one with Pakistan, I read that to mean that India is the pivotal relationship, that is why it is broad based, whereas the relationship with Pakistan does not have the same scope and that it builds on what already exists - Interesting also was the assurance offered to the Indian that China will not use Pakistan against India and the China seeks to maintain a balance between the two neighbors at least in the managing of their conflicts. The General understanding offered was therefore interesting to me and I hope instructive to Pakistanis. The Chinese do not want the Pakistanis doing a NK on them.

I also found the prescription offered to Pakistan interesting - national peace and development of the economy -- however, I was interested to note the absence of any detail or road map - I may be wrong about this but it seemed t me this was more in the category of wish list.

The importance of Pakistan to the Chinese, as IS put it in his article was that of a bridge, and the editorial makes the same case, as a vehicle for the projection fo Chinese soft power to influence others (Afghanistan? Iran and the Wahabi tyrannies? US?) - And this to me, explains the perceived need to invest more in South Asia.

 

[MST]

That particular time period is chosen by the author for a reason. What the Express Tribune American propaganda fails to mention is that a whole spate of Chinese investments, valued at tens of billions, were cancelled during that period because of the WoT and resulting instability in Baluchistan and FATA. We don't need to get into who was behind much of the militancy in Baluchistan.

I heard somewhere that "A friend in need is a friend in deed"

But looks like that doesn't apply to China Pakistan friendship. Weird thing this Iron friendship is

 

[muse]

brother, I find chinese version of the daily special.
I don't know how to say.
After reading english version, I am very angry. But After reading chinese version, I am glad.
The main meaning of Chinese version is that calling on more chinese for greater investment in Pakistan.
This is the cultural differences in understanding it.

Title of Chinese version is Six JF-17 escort for the China-Pakistan friendship (六架枭龙战机为中巴友好护&#33322
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I didn't think there was anything wrong with the editorial -- What I am trying to do here is to get Pakistanis to engage critically, I am not suggesting that China is not a friend an ally, instead I am hoping Pakistanis will ask themselves what kind of friend and ally is Pakistan - the hope is that such questioning will give rise to an awareness that "feel good" must be matched by DOING good, otherwise feel good does not last -- so the problem to become aware of is HOW and Why Pakistan should take advantage of this opportunity to create Broad and Deep, mutually profitable relationship wit China that can outlast our lives and benefit both peoples beyond our lives -- understand?