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Let there be no asha for the Pak demon

R Vaidyanathan

It is important to recognise the fact that Pakistan is one of the few places where the army runs the country.

The army also owns its economy. This is important since studies have found that a large number of corporates in Pakistan are ultimately owned by the Fauji Foundation (FF), Army Welfare Trust (AWT) Bahria Foundation (BF), Shaheen Foundation (SF), all owned by different wings of the armed forces.

At least 70 per cent of the market capitalisation of the Karachi stock exchange is owned by the army and related groups.


Also, a significant portion of its GDP is due to army-controlled entities and one can easily say that Pakistan economy and its army/ISI are synonymous. This implies we should stop talking of a stable Pakistan since a stable Pakistan means multiple attacks on many more cities of India by that rogue organisation ISI which is the core of the Pakistan Army.

Recently some noises were made by a newspaper group as well as Bleeding Heart Liberals (BHL’s) about resuming dialogue with Pakistan. There are three groups in India which are obsessed with friendship with Pakistan.

One consists of the oldies born in that part before Partition and who are nostalgic about Lahore havelis, halwas and mujiras.

The second category has Bollywood and other assorted groups who look at it as a big market.

The third is the candlelight holding bleeding heart liberals who cannot imagine India doing well without its younger brother being taken care of. All the three have been proved wrong but all of them are in the important opinion maker’s role. Shun them, avoid them and ridicule them.

These Wagh Candle Kissers either do not understand the economic power structure of Pakistan or naively hope that it will not be an issue. Their constitution — 1973 version visualises — to quote from its preamble “Whereas sovereignty over the entire Universe belongs to Almighty Allah alone, and the authority to be exercised by the people of Pakistan within the limits prescribed by Him is a sacred trust; wherein the principles of democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, as enunciated by Islam, shall be fully observed.” It is the army which is the chosen instrument to implement the will of the god. This was recently clearly enunciated by its COAS General Kiyani. Protecting Islam and Pakistan is one of the sovereign duties of the armed forces. Recently the UN (appointed by President Zardari) team probing the death of Benazir Bhutto could interview all civil leaders including the PM and president but not the army brass. When the army objected to the Kerry –Lugar Bill the president had to bring in Kerry himself to talk to COAS.

The candle kissers are doing great disservice to India and to Pakistan since that state has visualised itself as the protector and promoter of the God’s vision. One dimension of that vision is to train the suicide bombers to terminate the unbelievers inside and outside Pakistan. The so-called peaceniks naively believe that that army will go away or the foundations of the state of Pakistan will fade away.

When recently the FICCI produced a well-documented study titled “National Security and Terrorism” to deal with terrorism originating from that country, the Karachi Chambers of Commerce protested. And now the candle kissers want to have a business meet at Karachi. We do not know what results such a meet will produce.

Almost all terror attacks in any part of the world in the last decade have a link with Pakistan. Terrorism is funded by Saudi Arabia, planned in London and executed by Pakistani foot soldiers globally. Its strategic ally, namely the USA, wants to body screen every Pakistani entering the US and also wants to open their entire luggage particularly if it has been packed by them. Its other mentor namely Saudi Arabia has a system of issuing visas to Pakistanis after severe verification. China is worried about Pakistani role in the Xinxiang uprising and quietly hangs the rebels, many of them from the ***. Currently Pakistan is in abyss and it would be beneficial if it is split into many countries — not only for peace in India but also all over the world. The candle kissers are completely wrong in their agenda and timing. One only hopes that the Indian state is not taken in by their sentimental nonsense.

Will the Indian elite go for the jugular or just light more candles and scream at formless /nameless political class before TV cameras? It is going to be a long haul and may be in a decade or so we can find a solution for our existential crisis of being attacked by barbarians from the west. We need to combine strategy and patience and completely throw to the dustbin the ‘Gujral doctrine’ — treating younger brother with equanimity. The doctrine essentially suggests that if we are slapped on both the cheeks we should feel bad that we do not have a third cheek to show. Such is our strategic thinking in this complex world since our political class is not adequately briefed, nor do the elite think through issues.

If we want the world to treat Pakistan for what it is then we should start practising it. Always call it as Terrorist State of Pakistan and never have any illusion that it is going to be different. Completely and comprehensively cut off all our relations with them — economic/cultural/sports and all other aspects. South Africa was treated for its Apartheid; so should Pakistan be punished for practising terrorism as a state policy. Unless we start completely boycotting Pakistan we cannot ask others to do it. Will corporate India start practising it? Then we can see some results in a few years. Otherwise when the next Mumbai attack happens the senile peaceniks may order more candles and try to generate more asha for the demon.

Let there be no asha for the Pak demon,Let there be no asha for the Pak demon
 
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The article doesn't quote any sources for its assertions dude. This won't lead to a healthy discussion.
 
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All the companies mentioned with seemingly Army type names are legitimate organizations. In fact they performing quite well too. Bahria, Shaheen, all have connections to ex-army, relatives of army but are not under the direct control of the army.

Also these are internal matters of Pakistan, why should India hide behind these excuses to carry on its war-mongering with Pakistan.

This senseless animosity that the Indians are breeding will just radicalize their public more and more, nothing else.

I'm reminded of an Indian poetess, Amrita Preetam who said the following after watching the senseless violence in Punjab during the partition:

Aj aakhaan Waris Shah nu, Kithon kabraan wichon bol
Aj kitaab ishq di da, koi agla warqa phol

Dharti te lahu vasiyaa, kabraan paiyaan chohn
Preet diyan shahazaadiaan aj vich mazaaraan rohn

Aj sab qaido ban gaye, husn ishq de chor
Aj kithon le aiye labh ke Waris Shah ik hor?

I say to Waris Shah today, speak up from your grave
Open a new page to your book of love

Blood has settled on the soil, graves are oozing with blood,
The princesses of love cry their hearts out in the graveyards.

Today all the Quaido’ns have become the thieves of love and beauty,
Where can we find another one like Waris Shah, once more?
 
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All the companies mentioned with seemingly Army type names are legitimate organizations. In fact they performing quite well too. Bahria, Shaheen, all have connections to ex-army, relatives of army but are not under the direct control of the army.

Also these are internal matters of Pakistan, why should India hide behind these excuses to carry on its war-mongering with Pakistan.

This senseless animosity that the Indians are breeding will just radicalize their public more and more, nothing else.

I'm reminded of an Indian poetess, Amrita Preetam who said the following after watching the senseless violence in Punjab during the partition:

Aj aakhaan Waris Shah nu, Kithon kabraan wichon bol
Aj kitaab ishq di da, koi agla warqa phol

Dharti te lahu vasiyaa, kabraan paiyaan chohn
Preet diyan shahazaadiaan aj vich mazaaraan rohn

Aj sab qaido ban gaye, husn ishq de chor
Aj kithon le aiye labh ke Waris Shah ik hor?

I say to Waris Shah today, speak up from your grave
Open a new page to your book of love

Blood has settled on the soil, graves are oozing with blood,
The princesses of love cry their hearts out in the graveyards.

Today all the Quaido’ns have become the thieves of love and beauty,
Where can we find another one like Waris Shah, once more?

Good job Asim. I am fan of Amrita Pritam's poetry as well.

Just hope you remember this poem when one of the Pakistani members posts an anti-India, war mongering, Hindutva bashing article.
 
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All the companies mentioned with seemingly Army type names are legitimate organizations. In fact they performing quite well too. Bahria, Shaheen, all have connections to ex-army, relatives of army but are not under the direct control of the army.

Also these are internal matters of Pakistan, why should India hide behind these excuses to carry on its war-mongering with Pakistan.

This senseless animosity that the Indians are breeding will just radicalize their public more and more, nothing else.

I'm reminded of an Indian poetess, Amrita Preetam who said the following after watching the senseless violence in Punjab during the partition:

Aj aakhaan Waris Shah nu, Kithon kabraan wichon bol
Aj kitaab ishq di da, koi agla warqa phol

Dharti te lahu vasiyaa, kabraan paiyaan chohn
Preet diyan shahazaadiaan aj vich mazaaraan rohn

Aj sab qaido ban gaye, husn ishq de chor
Aj kithon le aiye labh ke Waris Shah ik hor?

I say to Waris Shah today, speak up from your grave
Open a new page to your book of love

Blood has settled on the soil, graves are oozing with blood,
The princesses of love cry their hearts out in the graveyards.

Today all the Quaido’ns have become the thieves of love and beauty,
Where can we find another one like Waris Shah, once more?

You know how it is in India. Being a democracy everyone comes with his version on everything.

But i think author wants to say the the leadership in India is confused.
 
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All the companies mentioned with seemingly Army type names are legitimate organizations. In fact they performing quite well too. Bahria, Shaheen, all have connections to ex-army, relatives of army but are not under the direct control of the army.

Also these are internal matters of Pakistan, why should India hide behind these excuses to carry on its war-mongering with Pakistan.

This senseless animosity that the Indians are breeding will just radicalize their public more and more, nothing else.

I'm reminded of an Indian poetess, Amrita Preetam who said the following after watching the senseless violence in Punjab during the partition:

Aj aakhaan Waris Shah nu, Kithon kabraan wichon bol
Aj kitaab ishq di da, koi agla warqa phol

Dharti te lahu vasiyaa, kabraan paiyaan chohn
Preet diyan shahazaadiaan aj vich mazaaraan rohn

Aj sab qaido ban gaye, husn ishq de chor
Aj kithon le aiye labh ke Waris Shah ik hor?

I say to Waris Shah today, speak up from your grave
Open a new page to your book of love

Blood has settled on the soil, graves are oozing with blood,
The princesses of love cry their hearts out in the graveyards.

Today all the Quaido’ns have become the thieves of love and beauty,
Where can we find another one like Waris Shah, once more?

..wow !!! such degree of high moral ground....

where does this attitude of senior pakistan members go when hindu/indian bashings come up?

when paksitanis open thread about naxalism about india..r they not INTERNAL ISSUES?

but i guess ...sab kuch maaf hai iss forum main agar tum pakistan ho ya fir indian basher ho....
 
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..wow !!! such degree of high moral ground....

where does this attitude of senior pakistan members go when hindu/indian bashings come up?

when paksitanis open thread about naxalism about india..r they not INTERNAL ISSUES?

but i guess ...sab kuch maaf hai iss forum main agar tum pakistan ho ya fir indian basher ho....

Listen newbie...ur new here so learn and cut the crap or u will see the back door soon.
 
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Listen newbie...ur new here so learn and cut the crap or u will see the back door soon.

dont worry about me..i have been watching this forum for long than u think i do..i just joined now......

and stop ur threatening attitude..u r just make me laugh....:bunny:
 
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dont worry about me..i have been watching this forum for long than u think i do..i just joined now......

and stop ur threatening attitude..u r just make me laugh....:bunny:

Im not threatening boy.I mean it.Youl be out faster then u think.
 
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Im not threatening boy.I mean it.Youl be out faster then u think.

ok..fine ...i have not said anything which breaks any of the forum rules...

but if there is any un-written rule which says that if pakistans dont like ur answer..then u will be banned...then i guess i have done a gr8 crime..
 
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You know how it is in India. Being a democracy everyone comes with his version on everything.

But i think author wants to say the the leadership in India is confused.
Yes but if these ideals were challenged, there would be many more people speaking up against Vaidyanathan. I'm afraid more and more people are becoming like "Its okay, its all anti-Pakistan, no harm in that".

Check out his style, first he has screamed, Army army army army... sort of a scare tactic. Then he uses colorful adjectives, for people proposing peace - ridicule tactic, then he purports the lie "Almost all terror attacks in any part of the world in the last decade have a link with Pakistan" - define link with Pakistan. Actually Pakistan should be complaining about every countries hardliners being directed towards Pakistan and their own countries are not able to identify them on time. Moreover the link with Pakistan is more of a link with Afghanistan. People need to come to Pakistan to cross to Afghanistan.
 
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..wow !!! such degree of high moral ground....

where does this attitude of senior pakistan members go when hindu/indian bashings come up?

when paksitanis open thread about naxalism about india..r they not INTERNAL ISSUES?

but i guess ...sab kuch maaf hai iss forum main agar tum pakistan ho ya fir indian basher ho....
I never said PAkistan's internal issues should not be discussed. In fact India's internal issues should not be discussed here. I'm specifically talking about why must India wage war upon Pakistan because there is a place in Pakistan called Bahria Town?
 
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Well that article made some sense.

Not sure about economy but interferance of army in politics.

Indian govt. is confused with whom it should talk???

Army chief or Pm or President???
 
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Well that article made some sense.

Not sure about economy but interferance of army in politics.
Indian govt. is confused with whom it should talk???

Army chief or Pm or President???

First of all its not indias problem
2)Where did COAS interefere in politics?
3)The author should get something called LIFE
 
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i think army would be better option because any decison by the government can be ruled out anytime by the army or the whole government can be thrown down by the army which enjoys more of public support then the politicians... any decisons taken by the government can be reverred back... so what is the point of talking to government...

As in pakistan there is tradition of army taking on government but not of government taking on army so what ever the government deciedes if army does not like it it wont matter after that.

Talking with generals will be a difficult job..............civilian govt. is answerable but General dictator is not answerable to anyone.

Hopefully Civilian govt. in pakistan becomes strong and keep army under check .
 
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