LeT, JuD planning to attack Bhakra Dam

[Nelson]

Care to explain, Abu? I don't take one liners. Sorry.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Sure....It's very simple, i'm surprised you need me to even explain myself here:

read my viewpoint, read the one you are disputing (S.M.R.s); and pray tell me how our posts are in contradiction of eachother? Seems you are confused.

 

[Vassnti]

The point here is not whether or not a bunch of terrorists will be able to breach the Bhakra dam. Most likely, they will not be able to do it. But the fact that terrorists got in and tried to blow up the Bhakra will cause intense panic and might trigger hostilities. That is the whole point and that would be precisely the aim of the terrorists in the first place.

Thats the big point, the attack doesnt need to succeed just take placeto case the panic.

That said it doesnt take as much explosive force as people would think thehardest part is delivery.

The detonation of an explosive charge underwater results in an initial high-velocity shockwave through the water, in movement or displacement of the water itself and in the formation of a high-pressure bubble of high-temperature gas. This bubble expands rapidly until it either vents to the surface or until its internal pressure is exceeded by that of the water surrounding it. (The volumetric expansion of the bubble also leads to a drop in internal temperature in accordance with Charles’ Law.) At this point, as noted above, the overexpanded bubble collapses into itself, leading again to a rise in bubble pressure and internal temperature until such time as the bubble pressure exceeds water pressure. The bubble again expands, although to a rather smaller size. A second shockwave is produced by this expansion, although it will be less intense and of rather greater duration than the first. With each cycle, the bubble moves upwards until it eventually vents or dissipates into a mass of smaller bubbles. The number of cycles, while generally low, is difficult to predict; they and the overall effects, depend on explosion depth (and thus water pressure), the size and nature of the explosive charge and the presence, composition and distance of reflecting surfaces such as the seabed, surface, thermoclines, etc. This phenomenon has been extensively used in antiship warhead design since an underwater explosion (particularly one underneath a hull) can produce greater damage than an above-surface one of the same explosive size. Initial damage to a target will be caused by the first shockwave; this damage will be amplified by the subsequent physical movement of water and by the repeated secondary shockwaves or bubble pulse. Additionally, charge detonation away from the target can result in damage over a larger hull area.

RMCS Precis on Naval Ammunition, Jan 91

 

[Nelson]

Sure....It's very simple, i'm surprised you need me to even explain myself here:

read my viewpoint, read the one you are disputing (S.M.R.s); and pray tell me how our posts are in contradiction of eachother? Seems you are confused.

Thanks for trying to explain Abu.

1. you're saying that DH is not trustworthy.
2. SMR claimed that 'Indians say that DH is not trustworthy' after he took a U Turn.

So if you're not an Indian then these 2 statements are contradicting.
By the way, do you see similarities between these 2 statements(i.e. if you are not an Indian)? Then WOW

And hey, I don't mind accepting my mistakes if someone convinces me on it.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

well then SMR should come out and clarify his position, because I made mine crystal clear....

and I'd appreciate it if you didnt even ACCUSE me of being indian, because i find it to be an extremely demeaning label.


I can't believe it took so many posts for you to finally overcome your confusion. (assuming you have!)

 

[Nelson]

well then SMR should come out and clarify his position, because I made mine crystal clear....

Yours was clear in the first place Abu,
you said that DH is not trustworthy. I was just saying that there's a contradiction between yours and SMR's statement because you claimed that there is not. Moreover, you can just go through SMR's posts, there is no need for him to come and clear things.

and I'd appreciate it if you didnt even ACCUSE me of being indian, because i find it to be an extremely demeaning label.

To be honest, it is demeaning for me too to call a Pakistani an Indian, but SMR did not leave me any other choice. Anyways, I apologise if that was hurting, also I apologise to Indians for my stupid act.

I can't believe it took so many posts for you to finally overcome your confusion. (assuming you have!)

Really?? Its quite evident who has confusion. Otherwise, you won't expect SMR to come and clear things.

 

[Sugarcane]

This crappy thread is still alive!!!!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Yours was clear in the first place Abu,
you said that DH is not trustworthy. I was just saying that there's a contradiction between yours and SMR's statement.

and if there was, it means I'm an indian?

we have to agree on everything, otherwise our nationalities are in question? Dude, seriously, how old are you and who allowed you to join this forum?

To be honest, it is demeaning for me too to call a Pakistani an Indian, but SMR did not leave me any other choice. Anyways, I apologise if that was hurting, also I apologise to Indians for my stupid act.

yes its demeaning to lower us to that category....but I accept your apology.

Really??

Really!

Its quite evident who has confusion. Otherwise, you won't expect SMR to come and clear things.

for your own sake, not for mine. You're the one who keeps asking for the clarification here. Not I.

I'm just replying to the posts, regardless of how logic-devoid they are (and keep coming)

 

[Nelson]

and if there was, it means I'm an indian?

we have to agree on everything, otherwise our nationalities are in question? Dude, seriously, how old are you and who allowed you to join this forum?

I already said, that a stupid act. I apologise again. Now, do I have to agree on everything, or else my age and joining is in question?

yes its demeaning to lower us to that category....

same here.

but I accept your apology.

Thank you.

Really!

for your own sake, not for mine. You're the one who keeps asking for the clarification here. Not I.

I'm just replying to the posts, regardless of how logic-devoid they are (and keep coming)

You're wrong again. You left replying, and I was talking to SMR, then you came up with a claim that there is no contradiction between yours and his statement, and you wanted me to show contradiction, just go through your posts. So I'm the one who is replying to the logicless posts and they are still coming.

 

[Sugarcane]

I have already said somewhere before, he will not be killed / hanged. How can they kill the main character of 26/11.

As per conspiracy theory:- This sort of Urdu is not spoken in Pakistan. Besides he appears to pray to Bhagwan @3:09 , so this guys is definitely not from Pakistan and not a Muslim either.

 

[S.M.R]

Thanks for trying to explain Abu.

1. you're saying that DH is not trustworthy. (Abu's statement)
2. SMR claimed that 'Indians say that DH is not trustworthy' after he took a U Turn. (My statement)

So if you're not an Indian then these 2 statements are contradicting.
By the way, do you see similarities between these 2 statements(i.e. if you are not an Indian)? Then WOW

And hey, I don't mind accepting my mistakes if someone convinces me on it.

Well, you want me clarify, okay let me explain.

So it is about HD whether he is trustworthy or not.....Abu said he is not trustworthy...right? I say the same as well that HD is not trustworthy. and We (Pakistanis) have been saying from the day since the court trials started, and our view on HD is same till date, that 'He is not Trustworthy'.

Now coming to Indian PoV. To indians he was the most 'trustworthy' person before he said that he is not sure of ISI's involvement. When he gave clean chit to ISI, the Indians started suspecting his credibility and said he is not telling the truth...
Watch this thread about HD's uturn.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate.../111707-headley-isi-had-no-links-26-11-a.html

I hope i am able to clarify.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

it's okay...he'll still find reason to be confused and flabbergasted

leave him

 

[Nelson]

Well, you want me clarify, okay let me explain.

So it is about HD whether he is trustworthy or not.....Abu said he is not trustworthy...right? I say the same as well that HD is not trustworthy. and We (Pakistanis) have been saying from the day since the court trials started, and our view on HD is same till date, that 'He is not Trustworthy'.

Now coming to Indian PoV. To indians he was the most 'trustworthy' person before he said that he is not sure of ISI's involvement. When he gave clean chit to ISI, the Indians started suspecting his credibility and said he is not telling the truth...
Watch this thread about HD's uturn.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate.../111707-headley-isi-had-no-links-26-11-a.html

I hope i am able to clarify.

Well, thanks for your reply. I'm sick of going through one thing again and again so kindly read my previous post to know what I'm talking about. But lets just say that Pakistanis were right and DH is manipulating all the time. Now, does that mean that we can't rule out the ISI involvement as now he is denying it?

Also, (since we are talking about manipulation) as I said in my previous posts, Pakistan has a huge history of manipulation (kargil, kasab, acceptance of Taliban rule and fighting against them later), so does that mean that Pakistan has lost its credibility? (off topic but appropriate example)


Secondly, you wanted me to prove the official acceptance from PA about OBL, I did that, and I'm waiting for you to prove your claim that everyone is lying about OBL raid.

Hopefully I would get reply this time.

 

[Nelson]

it's okay...he'll still find reason to be confused and flabbergasted

leave him

If your self satisfying statements make you happy then I'm happy for you. Its always very easy to leave rather than accepting the inability to reply. Which you proved again in yet another thread.

 

[S.M.R]

Well, thanks for your reply. I'm sick of going through one thing again and again so kindly read my previous post to know what I'm talking about. But lets just say that Pakistanis were right and DH is manipulating all the time. Now, does that mean that we can't rule out the ISI involvement as now he is denying it?

You were entirely relying on Headley's statement. Since no credible evidence against ISI so every ranting should die its own death.

Also, (since we are talking about manipulation) as I said in my previous posts, Pakistan has a huge history of manipulation (kargil, kasab, acceptance of Taliban rule and fighting against them later), so does that mean that Pakistan has lost its credibility? (off topic but appropriate example)

Huge history of manipulation? give me a break. Did we ever give you list of people which afterwards found in Pakistan? Did we associated each and every terrorism event with India? I think that happened in India that first Muslims were harassed for terrorism then blames finally landed on Hindu extremists. I think Col. Purohit was not PA's colonel who was involved in Samjhuta Exp. blasts. I think we didnt call Karakare to the location of killing.

Secondly, you wanted me to prove the official acceptance from PA about OBL, I did that, and I'm waiting for you to prove your claim that everyone is lying about OBL raid.

Hopefully I would get reply this time.

I am still waiting, Gillani does not equate PA. This shows your knowledge about the events.