Lest we forget

[rawraw]

when did indian fighters cross to pak after 26/11. pls explain

 

[mjnaushad]

when did indian fighters cross to pak after 26/11. pls explain

Ohh now you are denying this one too. Great.Let me see if i can find a link

 

[PAFAce]

There is something in the piloting community known as airmanship, and they live by it. The pilot who shot down the PN aircraft did not display an ounce of it. In any air force around the world, he would have lost the respect of his peers. There is a reason why that particular pilot's name is not included in the list of IAF heroes. Shooting down an un-armed plane during peacetime is nothing short of cowardly. Anyone who has seen me post before knows that I have deep respect for the IAF, as hard as it would be for many to believe, but this pilot is an exception.

Other than this shameful incident, I am not aware of any other time when the IAF acted in such way, so I give them the benefit of the doubt. PAF, on the other hand, has a good record of airmanship. We not only have spared IAF aircraft during peace time (and once during war) but even spared a Russian transport aircraft during the 1980s after it had crossed more than the designated 4KM threshold value as per PAF RoE at the time.

Ohh now you are denying this one too. Great.Let me see if i can find a link

There is no need to provide any links, the deniers will continue to deny. Also, I would appreciate it if you could resist engaging with trolls on this thread.

 

[mjnaushad]

Dude you seriously need to update your General Knowledge.

1. There were not voilation by IAF after 26/11
2. No planes were shot down after 26/22

When did i said that plane was shot down after 26/11. Now if you guys deny your violations i cant help you there.

 

[rawraw]

boss.. i am not denying or agreesng.. I dont and cant keep track of every event.. i have a life unfortunately. which is why i am asking you if you have details

 

[Chanakyaa]

Ohh now you are denying this one too. Great.Let me see if i can find a link

I guess Paks President Mr Zardari Cleared that Those were NOT Real violations but were "Technical" in nature occurred unintentionally when "turning" !!!
A Gun Can also be taken in Hand out To remove the Bullets.. Not Just Fire.

 

[mjnaushad]

boss.. i am not denying or agreesng.. I dont and cant keep track of every event.. i have a life unfortunately. which is why i am asking you if you have details

Indian jet planes violate Pakistan air space: PM Gilani - GEO.tv

Indian jets violate Pak air space

Pakistan: India Violated Airspace - ABC News

 

[mjnaushad]

I guess Paks President Mr Zardari Cleared that Those were NOT Real violations but were "Technical" in nature occurred unintentionally when "turning" !!!
A Gun Can also be taken in Hand out To remove the Bullets.. Not Just Fire.

The same could be the case of Atlantque.

 

[rawraw]

ok.. now i agree, i tender my sincere apologies on behalf of IAF.

 

[Chanakyaa]

When did i said that plane was shot down after 26/11. Now if you guys deny your violations i cant help you there.

You can help, bu having an update.
Btw, I hope you didn't get a Personal SAAB AWACS !! lol.
Never Mind.

Dec 14 (IANS) India Sunday denied allegations that its fighter jets had violated Pakistani airspace, even as Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari described it as a “technical incursion” and media “overhype”.Media reports were rife in Pakistan early Sunday saying that Indianfighter jets had violated its airspace late Saturday night and early Sunday in Lahore and Pakistan-administered Kashmir sectors, and an emergency was declared at the Pakistan Air Force airbases at Shorkot and Sargodha.

However, in New Delhi, Indian Air Force (IAF) spokesperson Wing Commander Mahesh Upasini told IANS: “There has been no violation of Pakistani airspace by Indian fighter planes. The reports are untrue.”

“There is a misinformation campaign going on to digress attention from what happened on 26/11,” he said referring to the terror attacks in Mumbai.

A senior IAF official of the Western Air Command, denying the Pakistani allegation, added that they had received no complaints from Pakistan on the matter so far.

Geo TV quoted a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) spokesman as saying that the Indian aircraft had intruded up to four km inside Pakistan territory. However, the official said that it could be due to a “technical gaffe”.

PAF sources said that two Indian fighter jets had intruded into Pakistan territory, but the Pakistani airforce had chased back the Indians. PAF said it was always ready for the defence of the country.

Zardari, during a press conference with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, said that the reported violation was due to “technical incursions, which happen when planes are flying very high and close to the border”.

“My information, which is the correct information, is that it was a technical incursion, which happens when planes are flying at 50,000 feet, when they turn, a slight incursion could take place,” he said adding talks were on between the two sides on the matter.

Earlier, Pakistan Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani was quoted by GEO television as saying, “India violated Pakistani air space and our air force is on high alert to defend any violations.”

Pakistan’s Information Minister Sherry Rehman said in Islamabad that Indian air force planes “inadvertently” violated its airspace Saturday.

“We have confirmed it. We contacted the Indian air force and they said the violation was inadvertent. We don’t want to escalate the situation,” Rehman maintained, while talking to media persons.

Pakistan Air Force spokesman Air Commodore Humayun Viqar said in a statement: “Indian aircraft entered into Pakistan’s airspace at two different sectors and were swiftly responded by the efficient Pakistan air defence system, forcing them to return to their own territory.”

He, however, said this could have been a “technical mistake”, adding the Pakistan Air Force was ready to defend its space.

Read more: India denies violating Pakistani airspace, ‘technical intrusion’, says Zardari (Fourth Lead)

Should we consider and accept your Statement or Ur Presidents?

 

[Chanakyaa]

The same could be the case of Atlantque.

Had Indian PM Statement issued something like that, i could have said Yes.
Btw, Wht were the PAF Interceptors Doing... they should have resoponded like IAF, and shot the IAF fighters,if their claim was right. which was not as later denied and considered "technical".

 

[rawraw]

PAF officers were probabaly watching Midnight Masala on Sun TV

 

[gubbi]

That was not time of war. We didn't shot down your fighters who violated our air space after 26/11 because that was not time of war. There was no war when Atlantique shot down.

The PN Atlantique had intruded into Indian airspace (technical violation or otherwise). When contacted by Indian ATCs (as the protocol demands - submit, surrender and land) the crew didn't respond and adopted countermeasures which were deemed hostile. Remember the Atlantique is not an unarmed aircraft, it was a PN military plane and carries armaments like anti-shipping missiles. In such a scenario the only option the IAF had was to shoot the plane down!

International military protocol!

The point to keep in mind is that India was/is prepared to tackle any contingencies which would arise post such actions, while given its position in the world pecking order, Pakistan is not in a situation to respond to India's retaliation.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

PAF officers were probabaly watching Midnight Masala on Sun TV

& ur navy was watching Mirch Masla of Mumbai couldnt spot a rubber boat

 

[Chanakyaa]

PAF officers were probabaly watching Midnight Masala on Sun TV

My Be.

But in my openion - No.
They Know how to defend PAF airspace.
Trust me they are good.

But to shoot down a plane - There Should be an Air Space Violation.
To Shoot those planes They would have to Get in Indian Airspace and Since Indians to know how to Defend Atlantis Story have been repeated.

Its not me or you or these pakistani members who r wrong, its the Media as remarked by President Zardari.