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BEIRUT — The Lebanese government plans to sell five outdated Air Force Hawker Hunter fighter jets and three Sikorsky S-61 helicopters in an attempt to reallocate the service’s resources, a government source has confirmed to Defense News.

“Lebanon has been in negotiations with many suppliers to procure primary training aircraft, on top of which Pakistan might supply Super Mushshak trainers to the Air Force, but the deal hasn’t been sealed yet,” a Lebanese official told Defense News on condition of anonymity.

Lebanon has seven aging Hawker Hunters, five of which have been nonoperational since 1990, and the other two out of service since 2011. Repairing them has proven difficult due to a lack of spare parts. Furthermore, the aircraft are equipped with outdated weapons systems that have poor accuracy when compared other technology in service with the Air Force, such as the Super Tucano and its advanced precision kill weapon system.

“Based on good management and investment of available equipment, the Air Force developed a plan to replace five Hawker Hunter planes with their spare with two primary training flights. This step also comes in the context of a plan to replace the existing Bulldog aircraft, which are specialized for primary flight training, and which are expected to be stopped from flying in the next five years,” the source said.

However, the Lebanese Air Force will keep two Hawker Hunters (one with double seats and the other with a single seat) with some spare parts in hopes they can be fixed up for future air shows.

Former Commander of the Lebanese Air Force Brig. Gen. Mahmoud Mattar told Defense News that the country’s limited economic resources are behind its decision to sell aircraft.

“The scarce economic resources prevent LAF from refurbishing and re-operating the Hawker Hunter fighters and the Sikorsky. Though, the technical capabilities to replace the spare parts and bring Hawker Hunter back to service and particularly for ground-attack missions are available,” Mattar said.

The aircraft are expected to be sold in a public bidding this year, the Lebanese source noted. The official added that interested parties will likely be “small companies or private clubs.”
In 2009, the Lebanese Army received three Sikorsky S-70 helos as donations from Lebanese associations, companies and individuals for firefighting missions. Their operational capabilities have deteriorated due to lack of maintenance and spare parts.

“The refurbishment of Sikorsky helicopters will cost more than 70 percent of their initial price, which is a very high number from a technical evaluation point of view,” the source explained. “Adding to that, the cost of each flying hour has exceeded the threshold of $5,000 recently, which is also high compared to the cost of flying hours for firefighting missions carried out on the [Huey II helicopters].

“LAF won’t stop these [firefighting] missions, even after selling the nonoperational [aircraft]. It is replacing Huey choppers with Huey II for this reason, and has been refurbishing the AB 212 helicopters for such missions.”

The LAF has refurbished an Agusta-Bell AB 212 helicopter as part of a proof of concept, and will now begin a five-year project to revive the fleet with five operational helicopters.

The source noted that the decision to sell the jets and helos is not due to the state of Lebanon’s economy. “This is a project the Lebanese Army has been working on since 2018.”

Lebanon is experiencing an economic crisis that started at the end of 2019. The country has seen protests through major cities that began in October 2019, and the value of the national currency has deteriorated amid a rise in commodity prices.

The Army primarily depends on military aid to maintain its operational capability, and the official source insisted that the selling process won’t harm that.
https://www.defensenews.com/air/202...ated-aircraft-as-air-force-eyes-new-trainers/
 
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Lebanese do not need JF-17, I would say Super Mush for training, observation and communication and maybe 6 K-8s for air policing and keeping pilots current on a jet. Fundementally Lebanese air space in in full Israeli control
 
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Lebanese do not need JF-17, I would say Super Mush for training, observation and communication and maybe 6 K-8s for air policing and keeping pilots current on a jet. Fundementally Lebanese air space in in full Israeli control
Correct. They could not even keep Hawkers going - those are the simplest of fighters.

Best is to keep out of the mess in that region.
 
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Correct. They could not even keep Hawkers going - those are the simplest of fighters.

Best is to keep out of the mess in that region.
mush can be maintained by amateurs, no harm in selling that
 
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Lebanese do not need JF-17, I would say Super Mush for training, observation and communication and maybe 6 K-8s for air policing and keeping pilots current on a jet. Fundementally Lebanese air space in in full Israeli control
I think their focus is pretty much Super Mushshak trainers. They should've gotten A-29 Super Tucanos though, I guess they didn't sign the deal. So, that tells us where they're at.

That said, and this isn't specific to Lebanon, but what are your thoughts of a 'defence as a service' type business? So, as our Block-Is age, why not use them for commercial gain by setting up a package. The end-user pays us $250 m a year, and we basically provide an air force -- i.e., fighters, pilots, engineers, maintenance, supplies, etc.

It could be a way to gain entry in markets like Senegal, Sri Lanka, Brunei, Tunisia, Rwanda, a few Latin American states, etc. I think we've got the works: JF-17 Block-I, various UAVs, etc, and can perhaps even set-up a basic IADS using low-cost COTS stuff (that we could design).
 
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Why posted in the Pak section.
Better to stay away from KABAR
 
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Gents, you do realize lebanon is at the worst time of their history economically and politically.
As of now their currency is in free fall, and there is absolutely no hope in sight.
 
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Gents, you do realize lebanon is at the worst time of their history economically and politically.
As of now their currency is in free fall, and there is absolutely no hope in sight.
Yes this is the other plight. They are stuck with worst economic crisis to date.
 
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I think their focus is pretty much Super Mushshak trainers. They should've gotten A-29 Super Tucanos though, I guess they didn't sign the deal. So, that tells us where they're at.

That said, and this isn't specific to Lebanon, but what are your thoughts of a 'defence as a service' type business? So, as our Block-Is age, why not use them for commercial gain by setting up a package. The end-user pays us $250 m a year, and we basically provide an air force -- i.e., fighters, pilots, engineers, maintenance, supplies, etc.

It could be a way to gain entry in markets like Senegal, Sri Lanka, Brunei, Tunisia, Rwanda, a few Latin American states, etc. I think we've got the works: JF-17 Block-I, various UAVs, etc, and can perhaps even set-up a basic IADS using low-cost COTS stuff (that we could design).

Not a bad idea and many air forces have employed such "pay by the hour" concept like USAF with private aggressors and RAF with PPF on the Voyager tanker fleet. Issue is it needs to be done by a private company that seeks profit. If it is done by PAF it can be a loss making exercise as officers obviously do not have the commercial experiance or skills. We could end up subsidising the training of other air forces. That in itself is not a bad thing to gain allies, but it is a very expensive proposition. Point of PAC global sales is to make Pakistan money
 
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Not a bad idea and many air forces have employed such "pay by the hour" concept like USAF with private aggressors and RAF with PPF on the Voyager tanker fleet. Issue is it needs to be done by a private company that seeks profit. If it is done by PAF it can be a loss making exercise as officers obviously do not have the commercial experiance or skills. We could end up subsidising the training of other air forces. That in itself is not a bad thing to gain allies, but it is a very expensive proposition. Point of PAC global sales is to make Pakistan money
Yep. It would be a delicate issue too. Definitely, a for-profit company would need to manage the program, but it'll need security clearances to buy the PAF's old fighters and to hire ex-PAF (or even serving PAF on deputation). So, though it has to be a different company, it'd need to be close to AHQ.

I think the simplest way to start it is setting up a training company centered on Super Mushshak and unarmed K-8s. It can at least offer baseline fighter training, air policing, and DACT experience without too many red buttons.
 
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