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Leaked recording reveal Egypt's Sisi 'despises' Arab Gulf countries

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Abdel Fattah al-Sisi is an actor of some talent. To the revolutionary leaders in Tahrir Square, and to the youth leaders he met, he was the general who told them the army was on their side. To Egypt's first democratically elected president, he was the religiously observant officer, whose hands shook when told he would replace Mohammed Tantawi as commander-in-chief. To liberals like Mohammed elBaradei, Sisi was the man who would get rid of Morsi and hand over power to a civilian government. To America, Europe and Israel, he was a westerner. To Nasserites, an Arab nationalist.

But sometime, somewhere, Sisi would be caught without a script, off-mic, revealing his real thoughts and personality. This has now happened in a series of leaks of recorded conversations of his senior officials. In earlier leaks, they were allegedly recorded giving instructions on what Egyptian TV anchors should say about Sisi's candidacy for the presidency. They appeared to be tampering with a high profile court case of four police officers involved in the killing of 37 detainees en route to prison.

On Saturday night the most significant of the leaks was broadcast, as they concerned conversations about Egypt's Gulf donors. When the Turkey-based Egyptian satellite TV channel Mekameleen broadcast the audio recordings, the satellite link was jammed. The contents came out on YouTube.

In one excerpt allegedly recorded about a year ago, Sisi, Mahmoud Higazi, who was then head of military intelligence and now head of the army, and Brigadier General Abbas Kamil, the manager of Sisi's office, were talking about asking Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Kuwait for $10 billion each. They discussed how the money was to be transferred -- not into the coffers of the state, or the central bank, but surreptitiously in small amounts to bank accounts used by the Egyptian Army.

The translated excerpt reads:

Sisi: Look, you tell him that we need 10 to be deposited in the army's account. 10 what?

Kamil: Into the army's account.

Sisi: These 10, when we succeed will be worked for what? For the state. We want another ten like them from the UAE and we want from Kuwait another ten like them. That is in addition to the two pennies [Egyptian expression for small amounts of money] to be deposited in the Central Bank and to complement the account of 2014.

Kamil: (Laughter)

Sisi: What are you laughing at?

Kamil: (Still laughing) He'll pass out.

Sisi: What?

Kamil: He'll pass out. (laughs)

Sisi: They have money like rice [meaning too much].

Kamil: I know, Sir.

Sisi: The Americans [tell them] this figure is this ... like this.


In another recording, Kamil is allegedly telling a Saudi official, Fahad al-Askar, an aide to Khalid al-Tuwaijri, then Secretary General of the Saudi Royal Court, that the Egyptian military army council will back Sisi's bid for the presidency. This was as the meeting itself was taking place.

The tone is contemptuous. In a third recording, Kamil describes his key Gulf donors as "half-states" who should "pay up" because they "are living a fancy life and have piles of money." Kamil said Kuwait owes Cairo for sending 35,000 troops to the coalition against Baghdad after Iraq's invasion in 1990. Egypt should have demanded the money then.

These recordings have not yet been independently verified and they were leaked to a satellite station in Turkey that is pro-Morsi. The satellite channel is so confident that these voices are genuine that they having them tested by international voice recognition experts. Coming on top of what has already been published from Saudi sources about the links between Sisi's office and Tuwaijri, the weight of evidence leads one to conclude they are genuine.

Coming just weeks before an international donors conference in which the same Gulf States are expected to cough up billions of dollars more, the leaks are timely. They allegedly show Sisi diverting money meant for the reconstruction of the state into the Egyptian Army's coffers. And they beg the question: Where has all this money gone?

The donor's conference in Sharm el Sheikh is key. A $4.8 billion loan from the IMF has fallen through twice over its insistence that Egypt reform subsidies which account for one-third of its budget. Without the money from donors, money from the IMF looks less likely.

Sisi has had the begging bowl out several times already. The last occasion was for a $8.5 billion project to dig a second Suez Canal in the hope of doubling annual revenue of $5 billion by 2023. Dredging work on the grandiose scheme started in January, but already there has been one collapse in a precipitation basin and there are rumours that companies might be considering pulling out. Sisi got this money from small investors to whom he promised large and swift returns.

Egypt's budget is running at an annual deficit of around 10 to 11 percent. It has been given more than $33 billion by the Gulf States, which is one-third of the current budget, and still the budget continues to shrink. Not unlike the dredging works of the Suez Canal, money pours in and the grand project of rebuilding the shattered state continues to sink into the sand.

The latest leaks were intended, however, for another audience. King Salman has already turfed out the characters involved in Sisi's cozy ring. But Saudi Arabia has yet to declare its policy on Egypt. Will the kingdom to continue to bankroll a corrupt Egyptian army? For how much longer will Saudi Arabia see the Egyptian army as a stabilizing force, when instability in the country is growing? Will it keep on funding unconditionally? Already calls demanding accountability for the money Tuwaijri gave Sisi are making themselves heard. In a series of tweets, Prince Saud Bin Seif Al-Nasr, the grandson of the late King Saud Bin Abdulaziz claimed that $20 billion was stolen and divided between Al-Tuwaijri and the Egyptian generals.

Despite the billions "showered on Egyptian generals like rain," no single problem has been resolved. "The Egyptians are still suffering from electricity, gas and bread crises. It is clear that the gang headed by him [Al-Tuwaijri] stole the money with the Egyptian generals," Al-Nasr tweeted.

The international scene already looks different to what it was for Sisi just one year ago. Saudi Arabia is under new management, and one that has kept its contacts with Turkey and Qatar, Sisi's avowed enemies. Greece is, too. The alliance Egypt was trying to build with Greece and Israel also looks in tatters. Greece's new prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, is on the other side on that particular divide.

Sisi has presented many faces to his bosses, his people and his former allies. Just maybe, more of them might be seeing his real face today.

The Many Faces of Abdel Fattah al-Sisi | David Hearst
 
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Gone the Fremm and the Rafale!
Egyptians they boast a lot...He said last years too, that he can invade and subdue Algeria in three days....:super::super:
 
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Gone the Fremm and the Rafale!
Egyptians they boast a lot...He said last years too, that he can invade and subdue Algeria in three days....:super::super:
They need the Rafales' to bomb the anti-government protesters. Egyptian Army can't do $hit, we have seen them at war.
 
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As always Egyptians, said it was a fake...Sad for Egypt..they got worse since they became an ally of the US.
i feel sorry for you having to blame Egypt to feel good it is always better to work on your country
i am not even going to respond to the Bangladesh clown
 
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I have an Egyptian Guy in his 70s next to my Office. He owns a Travel Agency. I asked him "Who are the worst people to do business with?" He said: "Egyptians" :laugh: He added: "Egyptians are the worst Bull Sh*tters in the world"

This was a guy whose own family i.e. Son and Daughter stole his money and sent him to America to live.
 
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I have an Egyptian Guy in his 70s next to my Office. He owns a Travel Agency. I asked him "Who are the worst people to do business with?" He said: "Egyptians" :laugh: He added: "Egyptians are the worst Bull Sh*tters in the world"

This was a guy whose own family i.e. Son and Daughter stole his money and sent him to America to live.
good story be sure to tell us a new one every day
 
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i feel sorry for you having to blame Egypt to feel good it is always better to work on your country
On the contrary I do not feel good to hear somebody degrading a fellow country who was willing to him, although at a heavy price. Egyptian denied too the fact he said about taking Algeria in 3 days...Algeria didn't even acknowledged what he said, But I'll bet you the Sauds and the Emiratis won't let it slide.
Regarding Algeria, although as bad as being governed by a mute, mentally and physically handicapped dried turd, the country functions, people adores him and a big majority overlooks his uncapacities, borders are secure and people marching against everything without fear of being shot dead by their police.
Just today 22 Egyptians were killed by the police because they wanted to see the match
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On the contrary I do not feel good to hear somebody degrading a fellow country who was willing to him, although at a heavy price. Egyptian denied too the fact he said about taking Algeria in 3 days...Algeria didn't even acknowledged what he said, But I'll bet you the Sauds and the Emiratis won't let it slide.
Regarding Algeria, although as bad as being governed by a mute, mentally and physically handicapped dried turd, the country functions, people like him, borders are secure and people marching against everything without fear of being shot dead by their police.
Just today 22 Egyptians were killed by the police because they want to see the match
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On the contrary I do not feel good to hear somebody degrading a fellow country who was willing to him, although at a heavy price. Egyptian denied too the fact he said about taking Algeria in 3 days...Algeria didn't even acknowledged what he said, But I'll bet you the Sauds and the Emiratis won't let it slide.
Regarding Algeria, although as bad as being governed by a mute, mentally and physically handicapped dried turd, the country functions, people like him, borders are secure and people marching against everything without fear of being shot dead by their police.
Just today 22 Egyptians were killed by the police because they want to see the match
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first of all who says the leak is true
second there is a difficult time and we have to face it i am sure you know having faced a terror problem before in algria
 
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It is very odd that Gulf Arab countries oppose the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt while supporting it in Syria.
 
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This story reminded me of what the guy said. I don't generalize. I'm sure Egyptians are honorable people with some bad apples.

Self deprecation, pretty common among people who have famous senses of humor.

Just a little tip about the leak, Fahad al-Askar, was not an aide to Khalid al-Tuwaijri, then Secretary General of the Saudi Royal Court, nor was he a member of said court, hes a Uni professor and academic. Two, the 'leak' refers to Elsisi as Colonel General (Fariq Awal) when at the time this 'leak' was supposedly recorded he was a Field Marshal. Three, Kuwait is an Emirate not a Sultanate and is ruled by an Emir, which is opposite to the 'leak'.

Here's Cameron telling us he hates us, this tech has been around since the 50s

 
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first of all who says the leak is true
second there is a difficult time and we have to face it i am sure you know having faced a terror problem before in algria
I understand the difficulties you are going thru....in fact very well, and there is nobody out there that comprehend their complexities than we do, but at no time , the leaders of the 90's era made fun of some state that opened their arm to help us. We threatened and cut diplomatic ties with some and carried air raids on others..
 
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