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Leak torpedoes India’s $2bn deal for more French submarines

it clearly says it does not implicated russian govt. More ever russians are not the only one , even chinese are far ahead when it comes to cyber attacks. Second thing why would russia even seen itself supporting trump if they want him to win? It would only end up causing more damage to trump in elections.
I didn't say so, I merely pointed to another article and I WONDERED if this leak migh have been AIDED, by the Russian (after someone else suggested it was aided by ISI)

I don't need to discuss or evaluate the article with the US case, it is merely an illustration, something to prompt people to make a mental connection.

Don't get me started on US presidential elections ....

Now is the time to invest in domestic SSK design.
No, not at all, now it is time to negotiate Shortfin Barracuda ;-)
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http://dcnsgroup.com.au/futuresubmarines/barracuda.php
 
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it clearly says it does not implicated russian govt. More ever russians are not the only one , even chinese are far ahead when it comes to cyber attacks. Second thing why would russia even seen itself supporting trump if they want him to win? It would only end up causing more damage to trump in elections.
Russia supports Trump, so Clinton can win. She will ruin America. :-)
 
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As I stated somewhere, IMO, India would be happy with such leak that can have a massive upgrade without any cost as a penalty to DCNS, that would have charged India in future upgrades of these Subs.
Good point. But I wonder if that's part of the contract?
 
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Leak torpedoes India’s $2bn deal for more French submarines
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An Indian Scorpene-class submarine.

The submarine leaks scandal has led India to abandon a $US1.5 billion ($2bn) option to buy three more subs from France as the fallout from the controversy continues to rock the global arms trade.

Australia is stepping up protection of its $50bn Future Submarine Project to ensure a similar devastating data leak of secret information does not happen.

The news comes as France and India intensify their investigation into the cause of the leak, revealed by The Australian, of 22,400 secret documents detailing the classified capability of India’s Scorpene submarines, with Paris preparing the ground for criminal charges to be laid.

Indian defence officials were quoted at the weekend saying that because of the scandal, India would not take up an option to buy three more French-designed Scorpene subs to add to the six that French shipbuilder DCNS is already building for the Indian navy.

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“We had an agreement for six, and six it will remain,” an Indian Defence Ministry official told Reuters.

A navy officer said India’s priority was to determine how much damage had been caused by the leak amid fears it may seriously compromise the effectiveness of India’s new subs fleet. “No order will be signed, nothing is going to happen now,” the officer, who has been briefed on the submarine data leak, said when asked whether the government planned to enlarge the order.

The news took France’s DCNS — the same company that will design 12 new subs for the Royal Australian Navy — by surprise.

DCNS spokesman Emmanuel Gaudez said the company was “stunned” by the information. “The talks are ongoing with the government and our Indian partners. We have not been informed in any way of such a decision,” he said.

DCNS has been involved in talks with India for more than a year about building three more Scorpene subs for the Indian Navy in a project which would be worth about $US1.5bn in addition to the existing $US3bn program to build six Scorpene subs.

But the leaked secret Scorpene documents, marked “Secret Scorpene India”, disclosed almost the entire combat capability of the subs, including the frequencies used to gather intelligence, the range, endurance, diving depth and survivability of the boats, their magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red signatures, the parameters of its anti-ship missiles and, most crucially, the noise the subs make at various speeds.

The Edward Snowden-style leak of documents has also energised the Turnbull government, with Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne ordering his department to warn the French company about Australia’s strict requirements for the most stringent information security on the Adelaide-based project.

The Australian understands that further steps have now been taken inside Defence to ensure information security on the project is treated as a stand-alone priority for the first time in dealings between Defence and DCNS.

France this year defeated Germany and Japan in a hotly contested bid to design the navy’s future subs, with its proposed boat to be called the Shortfin Barracuda, a conventional version of the France’s new Barracuda fleet of nuclear-powered subs.

Mr Pyne told The Australianyesterday that security arrangements for the Australian Future Submarine Project would be updated on a continuous basis as required and that he had full confidence in them.

“The arrangements between the government and DCNS don’t compare with the sale of the Scorpene to the Indian Navy,” Mr Pyne said. “Our fleet of 12 submarines are a new design and build.

“The same security arrangements that we have in place for the Collins class submarine that have served us well for decades will apply to the new design and build and be updated on a continuous basis as they have always been.

“I have full confidence in those security arrangements.”

The submarine leak scandal has shaken the global arms trade as countries scramble to safeguard their information security on key weapons systems, fearing that a single major data leak like the Scorpene leak could render multi-million arms projects almost worthless overnight.

The Scorpene scandal has also affected Malaysia, Chile and Brazil, which are operating, or will soon operate, DCNS-designed Scorpene subs.

India has stumbled in its reaction to the submarine leaks scandal, with Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar trying to play down the damage caused by the leaks, while his own navy has contradicted him, saying it believes the issue is of serious concern.

French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian has described the leaks as “a malicious act”.

“We will use every means at our disposal to learn the truth ... obviously, it was a malicious act,” he said.

French authorities are investigating the leak and have prepared the grounds for possible prosecution by filing an action with the Paris prosecutor against unknown people for breach of trust, receiving stolen goods and complicity.

DCNS last week obtained an Australian court order preventingThe Australian from posting online any documents from the leaked data.

It is believed the secret documents were removed without authorisation from DCNS in France in 2011 by a former DCNS subcontractor and were then taken via a computer disk to a Southeast Asian nation, from where they were transferred to a company in Singapore.

The documents were then uploaded to an internet server in 2013 for an unknown period of time during which they were vulnerable to hacking by anyone, including foreign intelligence services.

The data was then posted to Australia by regular mail in April 2013 and its existence was revealed publicly for the first time last month by The Australian.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/6f9921d70c97a9c589b264c9eb5dadad


Now the Austalians knows that India have Scraped the Scorpions :B

Congratullation to ISI and Russia for getting the Leak Data, which is even not gattered as the testing on the warm water of Indian ocean is going, but they managed to get it in 2013.

Lage Raho Mamoo !!
 
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So fuked up, what will Indian nsvy do? I mean your subs are compromised with a lot of faillure. Will you still use the subs?
 
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It is believed the secret documents were removed without authorisation from DCNS in France in 2011 by a former DCNS subcontractor and were then taken via a computer disk to a Southeast Asian nation, from where they were transferred to a company in Singapore.

The documents were then uploaded to an internet server in 2013 for an unknown period of time during which they were vulnerable to hacking by anyone, including foreign intelligence services.

The data was then posted to Australia by regular mail in April 2013 and its existence was revealed publicly for the first time last month by The Australian.

This is clearly an intelligence sting operation..it has all signatures of it..and mostly likely done either by a losing competitor per someone who is trying to sway India..very likely the USA...
 
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Good point. But I wonder if that's part of the contract?
This is clearly an intelligence sting operation..it has all signatures of it..and mostly likely done either by a losing competitor per someone who is trying to sway India..very likely the USA...
And how exactly would this benefit the US? In what direction would the US be attempting to sway India this way?

As for competitors
  • The US does not make conventional submarines.
  • The Scorpène design won the P75 deal, defeating the rival German U214 because of the capability to fire Exocet anti-ship missiles and an agreement on the air-independent propulsion (AIP).
  • P75i is still open, with many possible competitors, including Russia, Germany, Italy, South Korea, Spain, Sweden and France
  • In 2015, India asked Japan if it’s interested in Rs 50,000 crore submarine project
  • DCNS, which is also vying for submarine contracts in Norway and Poland, beat Germany's ThyssenKrupp AG and a Japanese-government backed bid by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Kawasaki Heavy Industries in Australia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalvari-class_submarine
http://uk.businessinsider.com/franc...leak-may-be-economic-warfare-2016-8?r=US&IR=T
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_75I-class_submarine
 
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This is clearly an intelligence sting operation..it has all signatures of it..and mostly likely done either by a losing competitor per someone who is trying to sway India..very likely the USA...
US doesn't make conventional subs.
 
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Congratullation to ISI and Russia for getting the Leak Data

It was a competitor fight that to the some extents, benefited many of others (may be) and you missed the whole episode though ISI is everywhere. Major competitors were, Japan and Germany but including Russia by you, indicates some bitter relations or waht....


which is even not gattered as the testing on the warm water of Indian ocean is going

So this is a whole new term to have sensitive data that the baseline and any data before testing the wastage but all those inquiries and commissions, Modi talks to Hollande in G-20 are just making the hype out of nothing.
 
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So this is a whole new term to have sensitive data that the baseline and any data before testing the wastage but all those inquiries and commissions, Modi talks to Hollande in G-20 are just making the hype out of nothing.

Yes a standand procedure to make sure everything is right.

Modi talks to Hollande -- What about the Scorpean Leak case ?? -- Believe me this man have lot of many things to take care of.
 
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Yes a standand procedure to make sure everything is right.

But still

Modi talks to Hollande
Because knew it how important this leak is and,


Believe me this man have lot of many things to take care of.
everyone does though there is a checklist of most urgent, priority etc that indicates how sensitive the situation is. Every leader has to take care of many things.
 
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