LCA Tejas and Cold Start Doctrine – Potential Joint Operations Test case

[MilSpec]

Over East Pakistan where we had 18 F-86 some of which ran out of Jet fuel supplies...big deal!

and why was that?

 

[Secur]

Lets hype up an aircraft to ad infinitum . Another feel-good article .

 

[Kompromat]

I wish its true but we all know its not. But anyways its not the point of discussion. If India were to strike the camps inside the pak territory, Tejas being a light role aircraft can be used to give ground support role and limited A2A role making sure PAs armoured divisions kept clear from IAs path. Big guns of IAF such as MKIs, Mig-29s and will make sure no PAFs bird come close to IA's path and also clean up the SAM/NASR batteries before they can cause any trouble.

The point is IAF does not need air superiority over all the pakistani air space but only 100-150km radius of IA's advancements and 2-3 squadrons each of MKI, Mig-29, LCA/MIG-21 and Mirage 2000 / Jaguar in required configurations can achieve it.

IAF will employ Tejas inside its own air space. When its 'combat range' (not to be confused with ferry range) is extended it can be used in hostile air space.

We can fire Nasr from more platforms than a TEL.
You are also grossly overestimating the ability of air power to do 'mop up' operations. During the first gulf war, all NATO air forces were not able to do 'mop up' operations, even when they had complete air dominance (not to be confused with air superiority), nor were they able to do so in the Balkins

As i mentioned before, for us to end the conflict, its straight forward though not easy.

* Deny IAF the air dominance
* Catch and hold enemy forces for a period greater than they have contingencies for.

When done , the choice for Indian planners will be thin.

* Accept defeat and withdraw
* Send reinforcements and risk an all out war, which not even the cockroaches will win.

Peace.

and why was that?

Sanctions sir.

 

[MilSpec]

[quote="Aeronaut, post: 5126459, member: 15719"

Sanctions sir.[/quote]
no sir, not sanctions

 

[Kompromat]

[quote="Aeronaut, post: 5126459, member: 15719"

Sanctions sir.

no sir, not sanctions

[/quote]


Please post me a link and also help me understand, what you are trying to say.

 

[rockstar08]

well i think , indians should try something like this ... i have been hearing from both sides this war blah blah , and this kind of action will be good for Pakistan , at least it will unite all nation against one common enemy .. that will be enough to give boost to pakistani patriotic peoples

 

[Dazzler]

Combat ready without BVR and IFR enabled and God knows what else. Actually that was equivalent to IOC 2 criteria of Tejas.

edited, never mind

 

[trident2010]

IAF will employ Tejas inside its own air space. When its 'combat range' (not to be confused with ferry range) is extended it can be used in hostile air space.

We can fire Nasr from more platforms than a TEL.
You are also grossly overestimating the ability of air power to do 'mop up' operations. During the first gulf war, all NATO air forces were not able to do 'mop up' operations, even when they had complete air dominance (not to be confused with air superiority), nor were they able to do so in the Balkins

As i mentioned before, for us to end the conflict, its straight forward though not easy.

* Deny IAF the air dominance
* Catch and hold enemy forces for a period greater than they have contingencies for.

When done , the choice for Indian planners will be thin.

* Accept defeat and withdraw
* Send reinforcements and risk an all out war, which not even the cockroaches will win.

Peace.

During the war time Tejas can be brought to forward bases for quick air/ground support and since MKIs can do buddy refuelling, they can penetrate quite deep inside pakistani territory.
The range of all the pakistani SAMs / NASR is <100kms, IAF has to clear only around 100-150kms of radius. Again IA/IAF don't want to mop up whole pakistan but the radius of 100km around IA advancement. Apart from IAF, IAs assessts such as Smerch, Pinaka and attack helos, UCAV Harpy will be used to remove most if not all of the mobile targets. Also not to forget that India maintains numerous remote sensing satellites including RISAT, Cartosat and TES having their orbits passing through pakistan along with numerous long range radars /aerosats along the borders. Therefore nullifying 100-150 km radius would be achievable for India without committing too much of its assets.

 

[MilSpec]

no sir, not sanctions

Please post me a link and also help me understand, what you are trying to say.[/quote]
There were only 17 sabres in EP because of supremely dysfunctional PA strategy of security of east lies in the west....Not just the sabres but rest of military infrastructure in the EP was exceptionally weak compared to the west, If EP was treated equally, had same firepower both in military and administration as WP, the outcome would have been strongly different, on second thought if EP was treated equally there might not have been a conflict to begin with....

IAF will employ Tejas inside its own air space. When its 'combat range' (not to be confused with ferry range) is extended it can be used in hostile air space.

We can fire Nasr from more platforms than a TEL.
You are also grossly overestimating the ability of air power to do 'mop up' operations. During the first gulf war, all NATO air forces were not able to do 'mop up' operations, even when they had complete air dominance (not to be confused with air superiority), nor were they able to do so in the Balkins

As i mentioned before, for us to end the conflict, its straight forward though not easy.

* Deny IAF the air dominance
* Catch and hold enemy forces for a period greater than they have contingencies for.

When done , the choice for Indian planners will be thin.

* Accept defeat and withdraw
* Send reinforcements and risk an all out war, which not even the cockroaches will win.

Peace.



Sanctions sir.

India wont get air superiority in pakistan, not with what has been projected for the next two decades by both the countries... period!

 

[indiatester]

@Aeronaut @sandy_3126
What is the difference between Air Dominance and Air Superiority.

 

[MilSpec]

@Aeronaut @sandy_3126
What is the difference between Air Dominance and Air Superiority.

In words of @gambit

Air dominance - The ability of an air force to compel other air forces to rearray themselves, usually into inferior postures.

Air superiority - The ability of an air force to achieve complete control, or reacquire complete control, of any airspace with statistically and tactically insignificant losses, if any.

Air supremacy - He flies, he dies.

 

[halupridol]

well i think , indians should try something like this ... i have been hearing from both sides this war blah blah , and this kind of action will be good for Pakistan , at least it will unite all nation against one common enemy .. that will be enough to give boost to pakistani patriotic peoples

gud idea though..............both armies shud meet up n make up a mock war.......its 100% that ppl of india(n pakistan) will forget any/all differences among themselves n unite....

 

[GORKHALI]

IAF will employ Tejas inside its own air space. When its 'combat range' (not to be confused with ferry range) is extended it can be used in hostile air space.

We can fire Nasr from more platforms than a TEL.
You are also grossly overestimating the ability of air power to do 'mop up' operations. During the first gulf war, all NATO air forces were not able to do 'mop up' operations, even when they had complete air dominance (not to be confused with air superiority), nor were they able to do so in the Balkins

As i mentioned before, for us to end the conflict, its straight forward though not easy.

* Deny IAF the air dominance
* Catch and hold enemy forces for a period greater than they have contingencies for.

When done , the choice for Indian planners will be thin.

* Accept defeat and withdraw
* Send reinforcements and risk an all out war, which not even the cockroaches will win.

Peace.



Sanctions sir.

You seems to be playing lots of C&C now days .
For NASR you need to be stationed all your TEL close to the Border which will be under constant watch 24*7 from IA and IAF UAVs and Satellites like RISAT 1 & 2 (Dedicated satellites for this purpose only). Then You forgot Prahaar ( Double the range and double the carrying capacity than NASR) and Brahmos to sanitize the area. And IBG also got their own Independent units like AAD and Akash battery which is again a highly mobile unit.
Hope this instill lots of sense.

During the war time Tejas can be brought to forward bases for quick air/ground support and since MKIs can do buddy refuelling, they can penetrate quite deep inside pakistani territory.
The range of all the pakistani SAMs / NASR is <100kms, IAF has to clear only around 100-150kms of radius. Again IA/IAF don't want to mop up whole pakistan but the radius of 100km around IA advancement. Apart from IAF, IAs assessts such as Smerch, Pinaka and attack helos, UCAV Harpy will be used to remove most if not all of the mobile targets. Also not to forget that India maintains numerous remote sensing satellites including RISAT, Cartosat and TES having their orbits passing through pakistan along with numerous long range radars /aerosats along the borders. Therefore nullifying 100-150 km radius would be achievable for India without committing too much of its assets.

He will again come up with invincible NASR but completely ignores the real threat from Prahaar and Brahmos which are available in bulk lot to IA.