latest News:Pakistan scuttles Indian entry into NSG

[Saifullah Sani]

Pakistan’s quiet diplomacy annoys US

ISLAMABAD: The lame-duck US administration has decided to employ its full weight for securing India’s membership for the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

The US President Barack Obama is likely to approach the leaders of the countries which are opposed to membership of the NSG without the fulfillment of criteria and are trying to block India in the prestigious club, to muster their support for Indian membership.

Highly placed diplomatic sources revealed to The News on Saturday evening that Pakistan applied for membership at the eleventh hour on May 18 last, which was the deadline for applying for membership.

The work was done so secretly that none could even get a clue of Pakistan’s plan. It turned up a big surprise for Washington and the US administration was flabbergasted to see Islamabad’s move.

The US administration wasn’t only surprised, but it also felt offended about it as it had successfully scuttled the Indian entry to the group without any resistance.

Washington construed it as a ‘subversive’ act of Pakistan for its plan regarding Indian membership.

Interestingly, the move was hatched by the civilian and military leadership with consensus after lengthy deliberations and brainstorming sessions.

The US authorities also considered it their diplomatic intelligence failure since it has the biggest diplomatic contingent present in Pakistan.

The sources said the US displeasure was conveyed to the high-ups here through established channels that Pakistan swiftly ignored without offering any comment.

“Had Pakistan not applied for the membership, India would have become a member of the NSG in its last week’s extraordinary meeting held in Washington.

The visiting Prime Minister of India Narendra Modi could return New Delhi victorious carrying the membership card in his hands.

The matter has been deferred to the Seoul meeting to be held in a fortnight. The US administration has written a letter and consigned its Secretary of State John Kerry to various capitals for seeking their support for India that compelled to establish the group in order to check Indias sinister designs way back in 70’s of the last century.

Now the countries including the United States that wanted to keep India out of the group are desperately working for India’s inclusion because it suits their China containment policy.

The sources pointed out that Pakistan’s quiet diplomacy has worked well and it would be a difficult proposition for the member countries to give India membership by ignoring Pakistan’s plea for the same as Pakistan does fulfill the criteria.

The United States is using every trick under its sleeves for obtaining India’s entry and President Obama may make phone calls to the leaders of Turkey, Switzerland, New Zealand, South Africa and countries which are reluctant to support India’s case, the sources added.

To a query, the sources are of the view that chances of getting membership for India haven’t improved any further despite the recent hectic efforts of the US, India and their like-minded capitals. “It is still fifty-fifty,” they maintained.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/127311-Pakistan-scuttles-Indian-entry-into-NSG

 

[jung41]

India-US bonhomie may make China allow Delhi into NSG: Experts

WAHINGTON: Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy, goes the wise saw in diplomatic circles. As some of the more mature and experienced practitioners of art of negotiations, the United States, China, and India appear to be inching closer to accommodating New Delhi at the international (nuclear) high tablefollowing Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Washington this past week.

On the face of it, China appears to have balked at, and blocked, India's admission to the Nuclear Suppliers Group that concluded its initial sitting in Vienna in Friday.

But officials conversant with the issue say only the opening gambits are in play and all three sides still have many more moves before the matter is resolved to the satisfaction of all.

READ: India is going to be 'great US ally': House Speaker Paul Ryan

There is no one grand bargain, one official said in a conversation agreed to on basis of anonymity; each side will seek incremental changes and deals in the different areas to advance its national interest.

Purely as an illustration, the official said, US and India may have dropped the reference to South China Sea in their joint statement to assuage Beijing's concern, even as Washington, by shepherding New Delhi into the Missile Control Technology Regime (MTCR), is dangling the same for China (which is not a member of MTCR) in exchange for lifting its objection to India's ticket to the NSG.

Certainly, US diplomats talked up India's membership of the MTCR in a way that would have prickled Beijing ears. A senior administration official observed that membership of MTCR "permits India to continue to advance its non-proliferation leadership in the world and contribute to that regime, to limit missile proliferation in the world".

READ: India holds fire on China opposition to NSG bid, hopes to get dragon nod

China is widely seen as a proliferator that has helped rogue regimes and militaries in North Korea and Pakistan acquire advanced nuclear and missile technology. Beijing would have also noted the kind of advances US and India made in technology transfers and cooperation in other frontier areas, including finalising the text of an agreement which will enable sharing of information vital in India's development and, ultimately, deployment of aircraft carriers, and a framework for the US-India cyber relationship, the first such document the US has concluded with any foreign country.

"It will help India and the US work together to shape and protect and advance cyber norms globally, and it will help each country protect its own information and infrastructure from cyber (attacks) as well," a US official said, without alluding to the fact both countries have been victims of cyberattacks from China-based entities.

Officials expect China to take note of all these developments before putting a monkey wrench in the NSG wheels that are inexorably moving towards facilitating India's membership, notwithstanding residual token objections from a few other hold-outs to extract small concessions.

While accommodating China's role — sans aggression — in the South China Sea does not appear to be an issue with India and US, the clinching of a US-India agreement to assert primacy in the Indian Ocean region, through which over 70% of the world's energy supplies pass, will be of more concern to Beijing.

Among the documents signed in the run-up to the Modi visit: a 'White Shipping' agreement that allows sharing of information about commercial shipping on the oceans that US officials said "will help India have a much better situational awareness, or maritime domain awareness, of what's going on in oceans around the country".

Such an agreement, as a piece of the overall security partnership between US and India, is expected to make China think about whether it is worthwhile to block India's entry to the NSG at the instance of its client state that has an established proliferation record — that too when the membership merely formalises what New Delhi has already achieved with the civilian nuclear deal waivers.

While the next NSG meeting is scheduled for June 20-24 in Seoul, no one is sure if China will take a call by then. Sources said it it really depends on what kind of concessions India and the US make to China in the meantime, and how much political capital Obama invests in the exercise.

US officials have said it is the Obama administration's stated objective to help India enter the NSG and President Obama is fully behind it.




Just ahead of last week's meeting, US secretary of state John Kerry, in fact, wrote letters to all NSG members rooting for India's entry, but it did not make an impression on the Chinese. It might now require President Obama to pick up the phone to talk to the Chinese leadership the way President Bush did in 2008 in case of the nuclear deal.




A resolution of the issue and a broader accommodation between the three countries could lead to a more agreeable G-10 summit on September 4-5, the first hosted by China. It will be the last time Obama and Modi, and possibly Xi Jinping, will be meeting as leaders of their countries.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...lhi-into-NSG-Experts/articleshow/52708292.cms

 

[war&peace]

That's soooooo cool to see the change in Pakistan's behavior I'm already glad the way Gen Raheel has told the US delegation not only stop any drone strikes against Pakistan otherwise Pakistan will exercise all its options and also that USA needs to bomb the terrorist hideouts in Afghanistan. The way to talk general

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

China will not vote against India. Period. It will try to stoke other countries to vote against India. When US takes care of them, and when China has no allies inside NSG, it will have to give in. China did not have any answer when Indian President told Chinese President that India never has opposed Chinese entry in any organisation, but only welcomed and supported it.
As for Pakistan, all the best, trying to pacify other nation into accepting itself into NSG.

 

[Hulk]

Pakistan is used by China to stop India from getting in NSG. China knows that nobody will approve NSG membership to Pakistan, when Pakistan cannot even get Nuke deal forget NSG. The only role of Pakistan is to block India. Over a period of time we will eventually get into NSG, even if not we have Nuke deal to partially offset it.

 

[Soulspeek]

What's with the title here? Pakistan scuttles India's entry to NSG?

Its actually China who is calling the shots, unless ofcourse, you mean Pakistan is a Chinese province.

Had there been no objection from China, what would have Pakistan done?

 

[Pandora]

India-US bonhomie may make China allow Delhi into NSG: Experts

WAHINGTON: Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy, goes the wise saw in diplomatic circles. As some of the more mature and experienced practitioners of art of negotiations, the United States, China, and India appear to be inching closer to accommodating New Delhi at the international (nuclear) high tablefollowing Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Washington this past week.

On the face of it, China appears to have balked at, and blocked, India's admission to the Nuclear Suppliers Group that concluded its initial sitting in Vienna in Friday.

But officials conversant with the issue say only the opening gambits are in play and all three sides still have many more moves before the matter is resolved to the satisfaction of all.

READ: India is going to be 'great US ally': House Speaker Paul Ryan

There is no one grand bargain, one official said in a conversation agreed to on basis of anonymity; each side will seek incremental changes and deals in the different areas to advance its national interest.

Purely as an illustration, the official said, US and India may have dropped the reference to South China Sea in their joint statement to assuage Beijing's concern, even as Washington, by shepherding New Delhi into the Missile Control Technology Regime (MTCR), is dangling the same for China (which is not a member of MTCR) in exchange for lifting its objection to India's ticket to the NSG.

Certainly, US diplomats talked up India's membership of the MTCR in a way that would have prickled Beijing ears. A senior administration official observed that membership of MTCR "permits India to continue to advance its non-proliferation leadership in the world and contribute to that regime, to limit missile proliferation in the world".

READ: India holds fire on China opposition to NSG bid, hopes to get dragon nod

China is widely seen as a proliferator that has helped rogue regimes and militaries in North Korea and Pakistan acquire advanced nuclear and missile technology. Beijing would have also noted the kind of advances US and India made in technology transfers and cooperation in other frontier areas, including finalising the text of an agreement which will enable sharing of information vital in India's development and, ultimately, deployment of aircraft carriers, and a framework for the US-India cyber relationship, the first such document the US has concluded with any foreign country.

"It will help India and the US work together to shape and protect and advance cyber norms globally, and it will help each country protect its own information and infrastructure from cyber (attacks) as well," a US official said, without alluding to the fact both countries have been victims of cyberattacks from China-based entities.

Officials expect China to take note of all these developments before putting a monkey wrench in the NSG wheels that are inexorably moving towards facilitating India's membership, notwithstanding residual token objections from a few other hold-outs to extract small concessions.

While accommodating China's role — sans aggression — in the South China Sea does not appear to be an issue with India and US, the clinching of a US-India agreement to assert primacy in the Indian Ocean region, through which over 70% of the world's energy supplies pass, will be of more concern to Beijing.

Among the documents signed in the run-up to the Modi visit: a 'White Shipping' agreement that allows sharing of information about commercial shipping on the oceans that US officials said "will help India have a much better situational awareness, or maritime domain awareness, of what's going on in oceans around the country".

Such an agreement, as a piece of the overall security partnership between US and India, is expected to make China think about whether it is worthwhile to block India's entry to the NSG at the instance of its client state that has an established proliferation record — that too when the membership merely formalises what New Delhi has already achieved with the civilian nuclear deal waivers.

While the next NSG meeting is scheduled for June 20-24 in Seoul, no one is sure if China will take a call by then. Sources said it it really depends on what kind of concessions India and the US make to China in the meantime, and how much political capital Obama invests in the exercise.

US officials have said it is the Obama administration's stated objective to help India enter the NSG and President Obama is fully behind it.




Just ahead of last week's meeting, US secretary of state John Kerry, in fact, wrote letters to all NSG members rooting for India's entry, but it did not make an impression on the Chinese. It might now require President Obama to pick up the phone to talk to the Chinese leadership the way President Bush did in 2008 in case of the nuclear deal.




A resolution of the issue and a broader accommodation between the three countries could lead to a more agreeable G-10 summit on September 4-5, the first hosted by China. It will be the last time Obama and Modi, and possibly Xi Jinping, will be meeting as leaders of their countries.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...lhi-into-NSG-Experts/articleshow/52708292.cms

The day US makes China do anything will be a day to remember. Considering the history i would say tough luck.

China will not vote against India. Period. It will try to stoke other countries to vote against India. When US takes care of them, and when China has no allies inside NSG, it will have to give in. China did not have any answer when Indian President told Chinese President that India never has opposed Chinese entry in any organisation, but only welcomed and supported it.
As for Pakistan, all the best, trying to pacify other nation into accepting itself into NSG.

I costs nothing to dream but costs everything to walk reality.

 

[That Guy]

China will not vote against India. Period. It will try to stoke other countries to vote against India. When US takes care of them, and when China has no allies inside NSG, it will have to give in. China did not have any answer when Indian President told Chinese President that India never has opposed Chinese entry in any organisation, but only welcomed and supported it.
As for Pakistan, all the best, trying to pacify other nation into accepting itself into NSG.

China will vote against India, it won't allow such flagrant disregard of norms. If India gets it, Pakistan should get it, that is China's position (officially and unofficially).

China has plenty of allies within the NSG, and even if it didn't, it has plenty of influence to get what it wants. NSG is prone to outside influences, just like any organization.

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The day India gets NSG membership, is the day Pakistan gets it as well. China won't allow rival India to gain membership so easily, especially if its closet ally Pakistan doesn't get it.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

China will vote against India, it won't allow such flagrant disregard of norms. If India gets it, Pakistan should get it, that is China's position (officially and unofficially).

China has plenty of allies within the NSG, and even if it didn't, it has plenty of influence to get what it wants. NSG is prone to outside influences, just like any organization.

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The day India gets NSG membership, is the day Pakistan gets it as well. China won't allow rival India to gain membership so easily, especially if its closet ally Pakistan doesn't get it.

Well, china didn't able to stop exception made on Nuke deal to India by NSG despite opposition.

 

[war&peace]

What's with the title here? Pakistan scuttles India's entry to NSG?

Its actually China who is calling the shots, unless ofcourse, you mean Pakistan is a Chinese province.

Had there been no objection from China, what would have Pakistan done?

If you care to read the article, it clearly states that if it was not for Pakistan's eleventh hour entry/application, India would have made it into NSG unopposed since USA was able to pacify others and for China they were baiting that India won't oppose Pakistan's application in future if China did not oppose India's... and perhaps China won't have many reason (still an assumption though) but now Pakistan's last minute entry into the scene has left uncle sam's digestive system totally upset and hot puffs are being spewed by him unabated as now China says either both Pakistan and India will enter together or none...and the best part is the uncle sam had no clue about Pakistan's application before hand...and that makes the whole situation pretty hilarious to say the least. I'm amused

 

[AyanRay]

The day US makes China do anything will be a day to remember. Considering the history i would say tough luck.

History like what? Special nsg waiver for India?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

China will vote against India, it won't allow such flagrant disregard of norms. If India gets it, Pakistan should get it, that is China's position (officially and unofficially).

China has plenty of allies within the NSG, and even if it didn't, it has plenty of influence to get what it wants. NSG is prone to outside influences, just like any organization.

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The day India gets NSG membership, is the day Pakistan gets it as well. China won't allow rival India to gain membership so easily, especially if its closet ally Pakistan doesn't get it.

India wont be getting it this year. But next year or in a year or two. Did you see the countries opposing it? NZ, Turkey, Austria and China atleast publicly hasnt voiced its opposition at NSG meet. Yes. In the meet at Washington, it didnt oppose.
While NZ and Austria can be taken care of US, it will be Turkey which needs little nudging. US has to make full effects of its diplomacy to make Turkey agree. When China is isolated, it will give in. Simple as that.

Secondly, if China wants Pakistan in NSG, its well within its rights to canvass for Pakistan within the members. Whether the members want it or not is left to them. But honestly there will lot more members need convincing in case of Pakistan.

China or Pakistan cannot expect US to do canvassing for its efforts. Period.

The day US makes China do anything will be a day to remember. Considering the history i would say tough luck.



I costs nothing to dream but costs everything to walk reality.

Like the IAEA waiver in 2009, when dream became reality. We are well within that waiver to do business without NSG membership. However NSG membership is like officially stamping you for the Nuclear trade.

Dream is , Pakistan with its proliferation history of selling Nuclear secrets, expecting US and other powers to support in this endeveour. However one might cry. Pakistan is no India. Living the reality actually helps.

 

[AyanRay]

If you care to read the article, it clearly states that if it was not for Pakistan's eleventh hour entry/application, India would have made it into NSG unopposed since USA was able to pacify others and for China they were baiting that India won't oppose Pakistan's application in future if China did not oppose India... and perhaps China won't have many reason (still an assumption though) but now Pakistan's last minute entry into the scene has left uncle sam digestive system totally upset and hot puffs are being spewed by him unabated as now China says either both Pakistan and India will enter together or none...and the best part is the uncle sam had no clue about Pakistan's application before hand...and that make the whole situation pretty hilarious to say the least.

So, we know of 4 countries, who are opposing India's entry into the NSG, how many are supporting Pakistan's entry? So its not hard to see whose plan was it after all. The Chinese ordered and Pakistan just complied, that's it.

 

[Fireurimagination]

If US is really committed to get India in to NSG, it will, China cannot hold ground alone forever, others NZ, Austria and Turkey are piece of cake for US

 

[war&peace]

If US is really committed to get India in to NSG, it will, China cannot hold ground alone forever, others NZ, Austria and Turkey are piece of cake for US

A false assumption...then you don't have any clue about China...China is the rising power.