latest News:Pakistan scuttles Indian entry into NSG

[temporary12345]

The long term U.S plan is now working very effectively through U.S success to Influence on Indian policies for use of India as U.S Military Dog against China,the want the large portion in Indian Markets and huge Indian Arms purchasing list, The NAMO govt. is working only for short term success against its Neighbours this strategy will work only for short term because U.S policies are changed according to Only U.S National Interests.

Since Pakistan is a security state and its leaders ,I mean generals, sell themselves to highest bidder does not mean that everyone does. Probably , if they have not whøred Pakistan so shamelessly (rather demanded concrete benefits than bribe/handout/eFF-Sollah) Pakistan would not have ended up in the horrible situation it is in. None of US allies have suffered as much as Pakistan has suffered from an alliance with USA. Most have thrived.

India is improving ties with USA as our Economy (and theirs too) benefit from close ties with USA as they are our biggest customers. Good ties means that the business that would be going to China or Vietnam would be lapped up by India, as long as India offers competitive rates. India is pushing hard to grow its private aerospace sector, and an alliance with USA means that Indian companies would be integrated into supply chain of US MIC ( lot of companies already are) thus boosting high-end manufacturing in India.

You people need to rise above your military centric thinking to even recognize that long game India is playing (in which you suck), ie that of improving economic muscle. If you are economically strong ,and has an intelligent enough population to excel in S&T (which India does), you could very easily attain military supremacy.

Our foreign office, by which I mean the professional civil servants who actually run the country, not the buffonish window dressing called "politicians" have managed to stay on top of this. It is a fact that no one in the diplomatic community saw this coming and most certainly not the "stay in its fortress embassy except for the ride to and from the airport" US contingent.

I don't think anyone realistically expects us to get in (in a world that makes sense, Pakistan, India and Israel should all be members, but this world does not make sense); but we can certainly help in putting blocks towards India and worst case even if we don't we can get enough of a justification to get suppliers who are well inclined to use to trade with us bilaterally.

Why blame politicians when your FP is run by Gernails?


BTW has anyone noticed that OP's headline is just "mungerilal ke hassen sapne".

 

[IceCold]

I will ignore the rhetoric as always as I could careless about NS or others. But obviously you had to bring that up to change the message I had written in my posts and distort reality.

Read the following links, everyone and their dog knew Pakistan is applying for the NSG. The game had started a while ago. There was nothing that happened at the 11th hour!!!!

The first link takes you back to the end of May and you can clearly see the US told Pakistan to apply so that the group can decide. Everyone knew in May this was coming, Through scare tactics and hiding the truth and showing failure as success has always been the case in Pakistan. 50+ years of backwards marching under the powerful guys in uniform is a testament to that.


http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/123...ncluding-Pakistancan-apply-for-NSG-membership

http://epaper.dawn.com/DetailImage.php?StoryImage=29_05_2016_001_005

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...istan-india-to-china/articleshow/52457401.cms

I did not say it started the 11th hour I just said that Pakistan did up its efforts and that we did only when India case was being discussed. Why do you think all the sudden the Americans felt the need to visit Pakistan to mend ties? You have a habit of deliberately trying to credit those who are not even in the picture yet ignoring those who actually mattered in this case.
Your link shows US stance which is well known but you forgot the last couple of days in which Pakistan was actively meeting foreign dignitaries and giving them briefing on the subject as well as presenting Pakistan's case and calling for non discriminating approach. I am talking about these efforts
http://www.sabahnews.net/nsg-envoys-islamabad-briefed-pakistans-membership-application/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1119230/us-backing-india-pakistan-mounts-diplomatic-push-nsg-berth/
The article points towards the same and yes military does have a role In accelerating this response otherwise the political elites were sleeping including NS.

 

[Soulspeek]

The problem is, China does so many things on Pakistan's behalf that one wonders if Pakistan is in China!

But that is exactly the point why would China not raise an objection? What you simpletons forget is that behind Chinese motive is Pakistan. Obviously China is calling the shots because its in the NSG but those shots are called on Pakistan's behalf and not the other way round.



Just because there is no Nawaz Sharif in the picture, it suddenly becomes Garbage? What a logic. If you care to check the events of the past dates you will realise that majority of what the article says is true. Pakistan in the last few days really up its efforts with giving briefings to diplomats of other countries and phoning them. If Nawaz wasnt playing house it should have been him taking the lead just like Modi was for India. But apparently that would have acted against his business interests in India and elsewhere. So its better for him to stay aside and let other people do the work. For now Indian attempt for NSG has be thwarted despite all the US muscle behind it and thats a success. Lets see what happens in Seoul.

 

[IceCold]

The problem is, China does so many things on Pakistan's behalf that one wonders if Pakistan is in China!

By that analogy I can also say that US does so many things on India's behalf one wonders if India is but a colony of US!
US is bypassing every law just to accommodate India, China on the other hand is merely asking for a non discriminating approach.

 

[temporary12345]

The problem is, China does so many things on Pakistan's behalf that one wonders if Pakistan is in China!

Contrary to what Pakistanis believe; China has actually softened its stand in past couple of days ,after it was left as only holdout.

From "No membership to India unless Pak gets it too" to "More talks needed for consensus".

Pakistani bina baat me baawle hue jaa rahe hain.

 

[Samlee]

China will not vote against India. Period. It will try to stoke other countries to vote against India. When US takes care of them, and when China has no allies inside NSG, it will have to give in. China did not have any answer when Indian President told Chinese President that India never has opposed Chinese entry in any organisation, but only welcomed and supported it.
As for Pakistan, all the best, trying to pacify other nation into accepting itself into NSG.

Contrary to what Pakistanis believe; China has actually softened its stand in past couple of days ,after it was left as only holdout.

From "No membership to India unless Pak gets it too" to "More talks needed for consensus".

Pakistani bina baat me baawle hue jaa rahe hain.

Pakistan had told everyone that they are applying a week or so ago. The US (at multiple levels) had told Pakistan that any country is welcome to apply. The decision has to be made by the entire NSG body (48 countries I think). Not by one country as others have a right to veto. Now these stupid articles are surfacing without any reason, truth or logic!!

This article is total garbage and written to cover up Pakistan's foreign policy's diplomatic failures and chaotic existence (sadly). I've said it a million times, if any militarily can design and run foreign policies, economies and governments, all civil, modern and educated countries would have generals running them today. No military can ever be successful at designing a foreign policy, executing it, growing the economy and running the system. If you notice, Pakistan has ONLY been going backwards for the past 40-50 years specifically due to this problem.

 

[temporary12345]

@Samlee

I think you are either not abreast with current affairs or are simply incapable of processing the fact that your higher than mountain friend is abandoning you for his own gain.

Till day before yesterday; Chinese position was that India should not be admitted unless Pakistan too is admitted. Today Chinese have released an official statement that "More talks are needed for consensus".

Visit " To enter NSG, India offers China sloce of N-pie" in Indian defence forum for more details.

This is a major watering down of position, and China has practically dropped Pakistani membership and has started bargaining with India for price.

 

[Super Falcon]

China will not vote against India. Period. It will try to stoke other countries to vote against India. When US takes care of them, and when China has no allies inside NSG, it will have to give in. China did not have any answer when Indian President told Chinese President that India never has opposed Chinese entry in any organisation, but only welcomed and supported it.
As for Pakistan, all the best, trying to pacify other nation into accepting itself into NSG.

Problem is China has veto even all accept Indian membership they must accept Pak otherwise both are out ofNSG

CHINA can block india single handedly and PM of india says won't matter here what matters members word with veto

@Samlee

I think you are either not abreast with current affairs or are simply incapable of processing the fact that your higher than mountain friend is abandoning you for his own gain.

Till day before yesterday; Chinese position was that India should not be admitted unless Pakistan too is admitted. Today Chinese have released an official statement that "More talks are needed for consensus".

Visit " To enter NSG, India offers China sloce of N-pie" in Indian defence forum for more details.

This is a major watering down of position, and China has practically dropped Pakistani membership and has started bargaining with India for price.

Live in you wet dreams can india get out of South China Sea this what China asks you other wise you don't have anything to entertain dragon

If u get out of China Sea usa put big long pole in Indian *** so in both you going to get pole in *** it's ur decision either Chinese or American pole u like

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The problem is, China does so many things on Pakistan's behalf that one wonders if Pakistan is in China!

Have borders connection do u have with usa no

 

[Samlee]

@Samlee

I think you are either not abreast with current affairs or are simply incapable of processing the fact that your higher than mountain friend is abandoning you for his own gain.

Till day before yesterday; Chinese position was that India should not be admitted unless Pakistan too is admitted. Today Chinese have released an official statement that "More talks are needed for consensus".

Visit " To enter NSG, India offers China sloce of N-pie" in Indian defence forum for more details.

This is a major watering down of position, and China has practically dropped Pakistani membership and has started bargaining with India for price.

 

[-xXx-]

What this title means -

Pakistan enforce China to block Indian entry against chinese will and interest.

 

[zebra7]

China will vote against India, it won't allow such flagrant disregard of norms. If India gets it, Pakistan should get it, that is China's position (officially and unofficially).

China has plenty of allies within the NSG, and even if it didn't, it has plenty of influence to get what it wants. NSG is prone to outside influences, just like any organization.

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The day India gets NSG membership, is the day Pakistan gets it as well. China won't allow rival India to gain membership so easily, especially if its closet ally Pakistan doesn't get it.

Janab hold a second pls.

China opposing Indian entry into NSG -- OK -- Most of the country in favour of India.

China supporting Pakistani entry into NSG -- OK -- Does Pakistan don't needs the support of the others member.

Let's say Ok China should support NSG entry of India and Pakistan, but the other's member's views are also been considered so if any country won't support Pakistan then no entry for Pakistan, till all members agreed for Pakistan.

Hai Jee Janab -- Or it is a blackmail that you should include Pakistan along with India LOLZ.

 

[PakEye]

Since Pakistan is a security state and its leaders ,I mean generals, sell themselves to highest bidder does not mean that everyone does. Probably , if they have not whøred Pakistan so shamelessly (rather demanded concrete benefits than bribe/handout/eFF-Sollah) Pakistan would not have ended up in the horrible situation it is in. None of US allies have suffered as much as Pakistan has suffered from an alliance with USA. Most have thrived.

India is improving ties with USA as our Economy (and theirs too) benefit from close ties with USA as they are our biggest customers. Good ties means that the business that would be going to China or Vietnam would be lapped up by India, as long as India offers competitive rates. India is pushing hard to grow its private aerospace sector, and an alliance with USA means that Indian companies would be integrated into supply chain of US MIC ( lot of companies already are) thus boosting high-end manufacturing in India.

You people need to rise above your military centric thinking to even recognize that long game India is playing (in which you suck), ie that of improving economic muscle. If you are economically strong ,and has an intelligent enough population to excel in S&T (which India does), you could very easily attain military supremacy.




Why blame politicians when your FP is run by Gernails?


BTW has anyone noticed that OP's headline is just "mungerilal ke hassen sapne".

Pakistan have the long experience regarding U.S policies we under stand each other very well according to Pakistan National interest, the India is investing in Iran, Afghanistan for only promotion of war against Pakistan and these type of policies are not working for long term how much money you can pump for obeying U.S orders think about afghanistan when remaining U.S forces role back from Afghanistan than how long you will survive in afghanistan without U.S support ? Your policies are depending on a country thousand mile away from region you are creating enemy in your nighborhood.

 

[Viper0011.]

How cute!!!! Dogs are a man's best friend...............you can be my buddy. I have three Shepherds already, come join the party (talking to the Dog obviously in the picture)!

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Problem is China has veto even all accept Indian membership they must accept Pak otherwise both are out ofNSG

CHINA can block india single handedly and PM of india says won't matter here what matters members word with veto

That's what I am trying to tell. Historically. Yes historically, whenever China has been isolated, it has voted with majority members. When 47 members of NSG support India, then China will never veto.

 

[OrionHunter]

A nonsensical article written by a nobody who hasn't the faintest clue what he's writing! 'Scuttled'? The fookin' deliberations haven't even started yet for God's sake!! This guy is a blooming joke!