Lahore to Dammam flight prevented from landing in Saudi Arabia: reports

[HRK]

Is this response to Pakistan staying neutral?Did they start to apply pressure tactics to rethink neutral stand decision.Something looks fishy.But lets hope what i am saying is not true.

Here it comes ...KSA dictating their terms to Nawaz Sharif !

that incident happen before the Parliamentary resolution .....

 

[Viper0011.]

Do you also know that according to the Manager of Shaheen Air Lines, 'The same plane has landed several times on the same air port but it was never stopped except this time' ....what do you make of it now ?

Yes, I did read it. However, you obviously have no clue about aviation industry. The plane has to provide up to date documents to places it goes. If they are missing compliance documents, they don't want to take liability. They changed the plane, the passengers made it to their destination.
The EU had blocked all flights from Pakistan's national airlines for a long time as the documentation they had on planes, wasn't up to date. Pakistanis had to update all their planes, inspection and security measures to meet EU's standards and then they were allowed in.
There is no conspiracy theory on here. If there was a bigger deal, trust me, these passengers would still be stuck at the home airport. Nations don't stop a plane to send a message and allow the same set of passengers through a different plane a few hours after. It doesn't work like this. There are many other ways to send a message, such as "KSA will force UAE to increase LNG prices on Pakistan", now this one statement has FAR more implications than returning a plane home and allowing another one back in a few hours!

 

[Kambojaric]

@Bamxa - You forget the flip side of the coin.

UAE or KSA have not given Turkey even half the support that they have given Pakistan. It is them that brokered peace amongst your leaders, it is them that financed so many of your military equipment or projects (from civil to nuclear). It is them who give you cheap oil, it is them who finance hospitals and schools across your ravaged countryside, it is them who have accepted millions upon millions of your workers, it is them who provide immediate foreign exchange so that your foreign exchange reserves remain stable.

Pakistanis are quite happy to have these things from the Arabs, but want to be treated like how they treat Turkey when the time comes for them to expect returns for what they have done for you.

Thats not how things work.

Have they provided financial assistance? Yes. Does this benefit Pakistan in the long run? No. If we want to be an independent nation then we have to face the hard task of standing on our feet. At the moment there is no such incentive for our leaders since they know that if things go bad, then rather than implementing much needed economic reforms they can simply go to the Saudis and ask them to bail us out. However no country provides financial assistance with no strings attached and the interference of these Khaleeji states in our domestic sphere is destroying the long term security of our nation. Take a look at this Saudi Arabia, UAE funded jihadi networks in| Reuters or this Year 2013-14: 80 seminaries received Rs300m in foreign aid - The Express Tribune

We often moan about the security situation in Pakistan and how nobody wants to invest here because of that. Well a major reason behind the horrendous security situation and the subsequent lack of foreign direct investment in the country at the moment are these Khaleeji funded madrassas. Which is why I say that if we want Pakistan in the long run to become a stable prosperous country, then we have to disassociate ourselves to the greatest extent possible from these Wahabism exporting country's. Dont get me wrong now, I am not saying that we should just blame Saudis and the Khaleejis for what they have done. They have used wahabism to expand their geopolitical influence not only in Pakistan but also in the wider region and around the world (How Saudi Wahhabism Is the Fountainhead of Islamist Terrorism | Yousaf Butt The fault thus is ours and ours alone as our leaders despite knowing this fell into their trap. We engaged these countries, we allowed ourselves to get dragged into their ideology and now we are paying the price for it in the shape of terrorist attacks and children massacred at schools. The blame thus lies with us but we still have time to set things right in the long run and this decision of the parliament is a step in the right direction.

 

[Jungibaaz]

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Meaning the passengers onboard the flight, who can't fly to Dammam should crawl there?

 

[tsinga]

Have they provided financial assistance? Yes. Does this benefit Pakistan in the long run? No. If we want to be an independent nation then we have to face the hard task of standing on our feet. At the moment there is no such incentive for our leaders since they know that if things go bad, then rather than implementing much needed economic reforms they can simply go to the Saudis and ask them to bail us out. However no country provides financial assistance with no strings attached and the interference of these Khaleeji states in our domestic sphere is destroying the long term security of our nation. Take a look at this Saudi Arabia, UAE funded jihadi networks in| Reuters or this Year 2013-14: 80 seminaries received Rs300m in foreign aid - The Express Tribune

We often moan about the security situation in Pakistan and how nobody wants to invest here because of that. Well a major reason behind the horrendous security situation and the subsequent lack of foreign direct investment in the country at the moment are these Khaleeji funded madrassas. Which is why I say that if we want Pakistan in the long run to become a stable prosperous country, then we have to disassociate ourselves to the greatest extent possible from these Wahabism exporting country's. Dont get me wrong now, I am not saying that we should just blame Saudis and the Khaleejis for what they have done. They have used wahabism to expand their geopolitical influence not only in Pakistan but also in the wider region and around the world (How Saudi Wahhabism Is the Fountainhead of Islamist Terrorism | Yousaf Butt The fault thus is ours and ours alone as our leaders despite knowing this fell into their trap. We engaged these countries, we allowed ourselves to get dragged into their ideology and now we are paying the price for it in the shape of terrorist attacks and children massacred at schools. The blame thus lies with us but we still have time to set things right in the long run and this decision of the parliament is a step in the right direction.

I agree with your view.

However, it does not change the fact that till now, Pakistan has taken a lot from these States..and its time for payback. KSA and UAE will ensure there are consequences for Pakistan not following through with their wishes because Pakistan never said No to their earlier gifts either.

Secondly, even if Pakistan wishes to dissociate from these States now, it would be very hard as generations of Pakistanis have been born and brought up using these same ideologies. So now, you have people more loyal to them than your own state...and they will resist a change in direction.

 

[Rau]

Meaning the passengers onboard the flight, who can't fly to Dammam should crawl there?

 

[Legionaire]

Best to be aware:
Just simple examples:
UAE-funded school in Pakistan ready to open | The National
UAE opens 40 schools in Pakistan

$108 million hospital for Pakistan from UAE
UAE-funded Dh5.8m medical training centre opens in Pakistan | The National

UAE PAP implements humanitarian projects at a cost of US$ 320 million - Pakistan | ReliefWeb
UAE to start 21 new projects in Pakistan - Emirates 24|7

Lol true mb, I have not heard of these projects being be set up anywhere before but the evidence is there.
I think a question that should be asked is;
Should Pakistan support the U.A.E after they have given relief aid which can be considered reimbursement to the immigrant workers who earn average the most at 80 cents an hour as well as their fundings and refuge given to fake Baluch terrorists?

 

[tsinga]

Should Pakistan support the U.A.E after they have given relief aid which can be considered reimbursement to the immigrant workers who earn average the most at 80 cents an hour as well as their fundings and refuge given to fake Baluch terrorists?

The world does not work according to the fancy of your mind and imagined slights.

1. The millions of immigrant Pakistani workers have a choice to not work in UAE. They work there because they feel they are better off there instead of at home (same for Indian and other workers).

2. UAE/Arabs do not give such kind of aid to any other country - again including Indians which far outnumber Pakistanis in the gulf. So trying to pass it off as "reimbursement to the immigrant workers" is something no one will buy.

So the point is - are you willing to call a spade as a spade - and say that these kinds of donations that gulf countries keep giving Pakistan is important for Pakistan. And it is for a reason.

You cannot keep taking things from the Gulf and then say "I want to be treated with dignity and equality" or "I want to be treated like Turkey".

There is a reason why they can not ask India or other such countries to be part of such dealings because they know that GoI will tell them to piss off. Because we are not obligated to help them.

Your country is highly indebted to the Arab states...and they will take some kind of recompense when they need it.

 

[friendly_troll96]

2 could play the game .. No nuclear umbrella ? No more soldiers. Etc .. Saudis Arnt that stupid.

Okay.
I stole your sig.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Yes!

What do you expect? KSA stood by us in all our darkest times, supported us without ever mentioning it and we ditched them the first time they asked us for a favour.

We should not be surprised if they start sending packing all Pakistanis workers working in KSA and UAE. Forget any oil supply on discounted or deferred payment plans. Forget their vote on Kashmir.

That's what happens when we select and send idiots with their brains stuck up their butt cracks to parliament giving them responsibility of safeguarding our interests.

All proponents of neutrality, why did we not remain neutral in case of unprovoked, unjustified US aggression on Afghanistan?

Is this response to Pakistan staying neutral?Did they start to apply pressure tactics to rethink neutral stand decision.Something looks fishy.But lets hope what i am saying is not true.

 

[waz]

The thread has been locked, as many folks failed to understand that has nothing to do with politics but flight regulations. I don't want this to turn into a flame thread.