Lahore buss service. No different than Raja rental case.

[Leader]

more corruption by PMLN.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...nfolded-pmln-led-punjab-govt.html#post3608429

ab tou corruption bhi billions mein kartay hain yeh haram khor !!

 

[Cent4]

the owner of Duniya TV is Mian Amir , this is also a fact that the same guy asked his anchors to stage an interview with Bahria Town Chairman??this is also a fact the Lahore needs this transport system badly..... We should learn to give credit where its due.... PERIOD

Don't shoot the messenger my friend, debate on the facts given in this article. Lahore does need a transport system badly but hey whole pakistan does also need one.
We should also give the credit where it is due but that's not the case here.

 

[Cent4]

This is actually a very good news and similar subsidy programs are introduced in most countries in the world. There are various benefits of subsidising the transport even up to level where the government has to incur minor losses such as in this project but overall you will be saving a lot more money + public relief is a big bonus. I actually do not know any country in the world which does not provide subsidy in the transport or did not provide subsidy for a long time.

For example in London people below the age of 19 and over 65 travel free of cost, people who has minor disabilities, police officers, families of staff working in the transportation companies (such as bus/train drivers) all travel free of cost. Those who are unemployed get reduction in the normal fair, tourists might get free passes if they buy a package/passes, people who are never going to work again might get freedom pass if they qualify the certain criteria. Now look what is left... only middle aged working class people who would be paying fair for the tickets they purchase. This is technically another form of subsidy that encourages people to use the public transport even if the company/government has to incur some losses.

Go to Geneva, It's free transportation for tourists as well - I don't know the price of trains, buses, boats in Geneva for local residents but tourist like myself was allowed to take any local boat, train or bus completely free of cost.

and not to forget the benefit of saving natural reserves and keeping the prices of commodities down to very lowest price possible. The subsidy you will be given on natural reserves might be much higher than the subsidy you might already be giving to the public in the transportation, you will also reduce oil imports. Imagine 50,000 people are travelling in 20,000 cars or 50,000 people are travelling in 800-1000 buses... which way are you going to save more gas/petrol? --- and then traffic issues also solved since you are going to have less congestion on the roads and if properly planned, the same subsidised project might earn billions of rupees in profit once the entire project is running on full scale and people's habit is changed from using private transport to public transport.

No disrespect intended but which part of London do live in, under 19 do not travel for free, Students over 18 get a 30% discount and under 18 get a 50% discount on travel cards that's if you buy a ticket for a week or moth, not on single fares with few exceptions. 11-15 years old Travel free and also disabled and over 60.

But with all these discounts and offers the company TFL ( transport for London ) runs in profit they don't run in loss, because they have done a feasibility report and and put the prices accordingly.

We Pakistanis on the other hand have very low expectations from our Govt, we have a thinking that what if the Govt is eating the whole chocolate cake at least they are giving us a little candy.
which look good in appearance but what we don't know is that the cake is also being paid for by our money.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/default.aspx

 

[Cent4]

You are acting like a mubashir luqman who said Punjab government laptops have 10 years old technology and PTI inquilabi's believed in his nonsense without doing any basic research in computer technology.
Its one sides point of view of some poor journalist lets wait for the government reply.

I am debating on the facts that are being provided by one journalist which are most probably biased I agree with you on that one, But why has the Govt not made public the whole deal, are we Pakistanis so dumb that we can not solve a simple maths problem.

You are acting like a mubashir luqman who said Punjab government laptops have 10 years old technology and PTI inquilabi's believed in his nonsense without doing any basic research in computer technology.
Its one sides point of view of some poor journalist lets wait for the government reply.

I am debating on the facts that are being provided by one journalist which are most probably biased I agree with you on that one, But why has the Govt not made public the whole deal, are we Pakistanis so dumb that we can not solve a simple maths problem.

 

[pak-marine]

a friend just came back from Lahore , admiring ganjas apparently .. i asked him whats the situation in Lahore if PML will extinct and according to him that was not the case , equally suprised. Seems like popularity of PTI is only on social media.

 

[AstanoshKhan]

a friend just came back from Lahore , admiring ganjas apparently .. i asked him whats the situation in Lahore if PML will extinct and according to him that was not the case , equally suprised. Seems like popularity of PTI is only on social media.

Listen to the words of Hassan Nisar Sb. who lives in Lahore and has got a totally different point of view in retrospect of what your friend told you.

 

[SEAL]

Listen to the words of Hassan Nisar Sb. who lives in Lahore and has got a totally different point of view in retrospect of what your friend told you.

I will prefer a common man observation especially who's from Karachi over hassan nisar.

 

[Devil Soul]

Don't shoot the messenger my friend, debate on the facts given in this article.[ Lahore does need a transport system badly but hey whole pakistan does also need one.
We should also give the credit where it is due but that's not the case here.

Anchors who staged the interview were also messengers werent they????? btw agree that whole of PAK needs its, but arent we talking here about Lahore bus service??? it will be better if u direct this question to the CM of other provinces.. i'm not here to defend PMLN nor ma here to target any other political party, but the fact is that Punjab is doing a lot better than compared to other provinces on any front....

 

[Cent4]

Anchors who staged the interview were also messengers werent they????? btw agree that whole of PAK needs its, but arent we talking here about Lahore bus service??? it will be better if u direct this question to the CM of other provinces.. i'm not here to defend PMLN nor ma here to target any other political party, but the fact is that Punjab is doing a lot better than compared to other provinces on any front....

I think we may have misunderstood each other, I am only discussing about this particular deal's financing which in its current form is in no way beneficial to public.

 

[SEAL]

I think we may have misunderstood each other, I am only discussing about this particular deal's financing which in its current form is in no way beneficial to public.

You know in Pindi Islamabad people who give taxi and rickshaws on thaika (contract) they charge 400-500 per day for taxi and 300-400 per day for commando rickshaw. This thing is damn bus with sitting capacity of 170 people it will be too early to criticize the project let the details come out.

 

[AstanoshKhan]

I will prefer a common man observation especially who's from Karachi over hassan nisar.

People's minds are changed through observation and not through argument. Hassan Nisar Sb being a columnist for over 25 years now has given you a broader picture of what they're up to and only time will prove what he foretold... unless and until you also paint him with the brush of MQM and PTI sympathiser hence he's anti-PMLN.

Again, our countrymen consider building bridges and roads as a sign of development... even though it's a good step but will it improve the lives of common men? Will it downgrade the energy crisis we're facing specially Punjab where many factories are closed? Will it improve the law and order situation and the security of a common man? The list of such priorities of a common man in my post can go very long but the point here is; Punjab Govt. and any other Govt. in Pakistan needs to prioritise the needs of common men, this is just a face saving project of their ineptness in the past 4.5 years... and mind you, Lahore is not Punjab... do look at the other cities of Punjab too how horrible condition they're in.

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

Dear i live in Lahore, Rehmanpura behind WAPDA hospital.
I would like to highlight some facts because supporters of PMLN will support everything which PMLN do and vice-verse

Tehreek-e-Insaaf supporters will oppose it. Some facts you should know before further discussion.

* This project is only on 1 road which to the South connects Lahore to Kasur and then move right upto Ganda-Singh border

post with India. The road passes right between Lahore and from Lahore the distance of Kasur is almost 45KMs. To the North

it crosses Ravi bridge and then from Shahdara become GT Road further. The road is known as Ferozpur Road which is the

larger section, then Lyton Road, Babri Chowk after which MAO COllege and Lower Mall, Data Sahab, Minaar-e-Pakistan and

River Ravi bridge.

The road will start from Guju Mata which comes in between Lahore & Kasur (Its not Lahore nor Kasur)

Existing transport between Lahore and Kasur is mainly of 3 types.

A/C Coasters
Non A/C Mini buses
Toyota Hiace Vans

These 3 kinds of transport is run by private owners and government has nothing to do with them. They are available 24 hours

a day, 7 days a week. Anyone travelling from Shahdara to Kasur city have to wait at maximum 10 minutes to get a ride. Rents

are nominal. A/C Coaster one way rent is PKR.100/person. They take around 1.25 Hours one way to reach destination. The road

is mainly used by people who come to Kasur/Lahore daily for job/business etc. Ferozpur road was in very bad shape back in

2005-06. After Lahore General Hospital the road was single and extremely bumpy. Thanks to Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri (former

Foreign minister in Musharraf era & who hailed from Kasur) the road was construcred. Now the road was 2-way with 3 lanes

each, service lane etc. Other section of Ferozpur road from Lahore General Hospital right upto Mozang Chowk, was already 6

lane road+service lane. Lahore Gold market and Icchra shopping bazar also fall in this section. All road has a green belt 8

feet wide. Has trees and lamp posts all the way.

After Shabaz Shareef came to power in 2008, he spent millions of rupees in the green belt falling in the section from Lahore General Hospital right upto Kasur city. Thousands of trees were planted with imported grass in this section. A steel

baricade around 4 feet high with silver color was also erected on both sides of these newly planted trees right upto Kasur.

Similarly steel grills were installed in front of General Hospital all the way up. Imported date trees were also planted

here. After spending billions on this plantation he suddenly inaugurated this rapid bus system. This project call for a new seperate road for this bus to run. So all newly constructed green belt was destroyed and billions spent on steel fence & trees went down the drain. No one asked, not courts nor media about this tax money loss. DOnt we have the right to ask that if such a project was in pipeline then why so much money was spent on planting trees in first place?

Other then this the whole new seperate road for rapid bus is fenced both sides with 10 feet high steel grill. This has literally divided Lahore into East-West. Now one have to make sometimes 2km distance just to go across the road. For pedestrians there is another problem. The only way to go across now is through iron bridges that will also be constructed 1KM apart. Now who will walk 1 km just to climb a bridge to go across? Also many elderly people can not climb through 20 feet high stairs. Again no answer to this problem. Similarly one person going to Kasur rides this bus but he will be dropped at Gaju Matta which is 20kms behind Kasur city. So why the hell will any person prefer this over conventianol transport which take him right inside Kasur city. There are many other points regarding this project. Really its a shame how tax payers money is being spent on such a useless project. Now what was the original plan mass transport system?


The rapid bus system is introduced by this government after cancelling the Lahore Mass Transit system. The detail of which

is as:

LAHORE - The Lahore Mass Transit project, planned in the 1990s but shelved last year, has been given a new lease of life

with an agreement signed between the Punjab government and China during Punjab CM Shahbaz Sharif’s visit to Beijing,

Pakistan Today has learnt. The project will provide fast transportation facilities to 0.6 million passengers per day. The

Lahore Mass Transit Project, earlier called LRMTS, will cost $1.7 billion and around 85 percent capital would be provided

by China.
Last time, the Asian Development Bank (ADB) was the co-financer in the LRMTS project with an estimated cost around $ 4.4

billion. According to the agreement with China, seven kilometre portion of urban rail spreading over a stretch of 27

kilometres in Lahore from Gajumata to Shahdara on Ferozepur Road will be laid underground. Lahore Transport Company

Chairman Khawaja Ahmed Hassaan, on behalf of the Punjab government, and Zhang Shiping, Vice President of NORINCO, an

international Chinese company, signed the agreement. Addressing the agreement signing ceremony, Shahbaz said that work on

the project would start this year and the Punjab government was ready to welcome Chinese engineers and skilled workers for

this purpose.
“The project will minimise congestion on public transport routes, provide a high-level of service, speed, frequency and

easy accessibility to reduce dependency on road vehicles, facilitate safe and environmentally-sustainable transport,” an

official of the transport department told Pakistan Today. Former LRMTS deputy director Tayyab Fareed said that planning for

the metro network had started in the 1990s when the priority corridor for a light rail transit system had been identified.
Internationally reputed consultants were commissioned by the government in 2005 to undertake a feasibility study of a rapid

mass transit system for Lahore. Spreading over 97 kilometres with 82 stations, a network of mass transit corridors

consisting of four lines was identified in December 2005 with Ferozepur Road as top priority corridor or ‘green line’.

Detailed feasibility of the green line had been finalised in August 2006 that had defined its main parameters.
Another official of the transport department said that according to the previous plan, Mega Metro Project consisted of a

Green Line and Orange Line that had to be completed in three to five years. The Full Metro Strategic Network included 4

lines (Green Line, Orange Line (Phase I), Purple Line and Blue Line Phase-II) and had 97 kilometres length with 82

stations. The Green Line had to extend from Shahdara to Hamza Town via Ravi Road, Lower Mall, Mall Road, Fatima Jinnah

Road, Qartaba Chowk and Ferozepur Road areas. The length of the Green Line was going to be 27 kilometres. Around 11.6

kilometres-long Green Line route had to be underground, while a 15.4 kilometres route had to be made an overhead.
There had been 12 underground and 10 overhead stations built on the Green Line route. The Orange Line was going to cost $2

billion. Its route had to extend from Pakistan Mint to Sabzazar via Shahnoor, Awan Town, Hinjarwal, Niaz Beg, Canal View,

Wahdat Road, Ali Town, Salahuddin Road, Bund Road, Islam Park, Dera Gujjran Depot, Mahmood Booti, Salamatpura, Samanabad,

Gulshan Ravi, Chauburji, Lake Road, Lakshmi Chowk, Railway Station, Sultanpura, UET, Baghbanpura and Shalimar Garden areas.

The length of Orange Line had to be 27 kilometres out of which 6.9 kilometres long tracks had been underground and a 20.2

kilometres-long overhead had to build upon which six underground and 20 overhead stations had to be established.
The central interchange station of Green and Orange lines had to be established besides linking these lines at Ring Road,

Railway Station, airport and Sports City. In Phase-II, two more tracks had to be laid, which were supposed to be called

Blue Line and Purple Line. The route length of blue line was going to be 24 kilometres. The ‘Blue Line’ had to start from

Chauburji and end at College Road, and from Chauburji the line had to pass through Mozang Chungi, Shadman Chowk, Jail Road,

Mian Boulevard Gulberg, Mian Boulevard Garden Town, Faisal Town and had to end at College Road. The route length of Purple

Line was going to be 19 kilometres. The Purple Line had to start from Bhaati Chowk and end at the Allama Iqbal

International Airport.
The line had to pass through Bhaati Chowk, Brandreth Road, Railway Station, Allama Iqbal Road, Dharampura, Ghazi Road and

end at the Allama Iqbal International Airport. Trains stations on the elevated route had to be designed like overhead

bridges while train stations on the underground route had two entrance ways and two exits.

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/04/24/city/lahore/lahore-mass-transit-project-revived/

Now this project was supposed to cover all Lahore while this Metro bus covers only one route. That project was studied in

depth while this project has been started without any planning. Thousands of shops, houses and shopping centers have been demolished to make way for this new road. This will only bring more traffic jams and chaos to already struggling Lahore.

 

[Cent4]

Dear i live in Lahore, Rehmanpura behind WAPDA hospital.
I would like to highlight some facts because supporters of PMLN will support everything which PMLN do and vice-verse

Tehreek-e-Insaaf supporters will oppose it. Some facts you should know before further discussion.

* This project is only on 1 road which to the South connects Lahore to Kasur and then move right upto Ganda-Singh border

post with India. The road passes right between Lahore and from Lahore the distance of Kasur is almost 45KMs. To the North

it crosses Ravi bridge and then from Shahdara become GT Road further. The road is known as Ferozpur Road which is the

larger section, then Lyton Road, Babri Chowk after which MAO COllege and Lower Mall, Data Sahab, Minaar-e-Pakistan and

River Ravi bridge.

The road will start from Guju Mata which comes in between Lahore & Kasur (Its not Lahore nor Kasur)

Existing transport between Lahore and Kasur is mainly of 3 types.

A/C Coasters
Non A/C Mini buses
Toyota Hiace Vans

These 3 kinds of transport is run by private owners and government has nothing to do with them. They are available 24 hours

a day, 7 days a week. Anyone travelling from Shahdara to Kasur city have to wait at maximum 10 minutes to get a ride. Rents

are nominal. A/C Coaster one way rent is PKR.100/person. They take around 1.25 Hours one way to reach destination. The road

is mainly used by people who come to Kasur/Lahore daily for job/business etc. Ferozpur road was in very bad shape back in

2005-06. After Lahore General Hospital the road was single and extremely bumpy. Thanks to Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri (former

Foreign minister in Musharraf era & who hailed from Kasur) the road was construcred. Now the road was 2-way with 3 lanes

each, service lane etc. Other section of Ferozpur road from Lahore General Hospital right upto Mozang Chowk, was already 6

lane road+service lane. Lahore Gold market and Icchra shopping bazar also fall in this section. All road has a green belt 8

feet wide. Has trees and lamp posts all the way.

After Shabaz Shareef came to power in 2008, he spent millions of rupees in the green belt falling in the section from Lahore General Hospital right upto Kasur city. Thousands of trees were planted with imported grass in this section. A steel

baricade around 4 feet high with silver color was also erected on both sides of these newly planted trees right upto Kasur.

Similarly steel grills were installed in front of General Hospital all the way up. Imported date trees were also planted

here. After spending billions on this plantation he suddenly inaugurated this rapid bus system. This project call for a new seperate road for this bus to run. So all newly constructed green belt was destroyed and billions spent on steel fence & trees went down the drain. No one asked, not courts nor media about this tax money loss. DOnt we have the right to ask that if such a project was in pipeline then why so much money was spent on planting trees in first place?

Other then this the whole new seperate road for rapid bus is fenced both sides with 10 feet high steel grill. This has literally divided Lahore into East-West. Now one have to make sometimes 2km distance just to go across the road. For pedestrians there is another problem. The only way to go across now is through iron bridges that will also be constructed 1KM apart. Now who will walk 1 km just to climb a bridge to go across? Also many elderly people can not climb through 20 feet high stairs. Again no answer to this problem. Similarly one person going to Kasur rides this bus but he will be dropped at Gaju Matta which is 20kms behind Kasur city. So why the hell will any person prefer this over conventianol transport which take him right inside Kasur city. There are many other points regarding this project. Really its a shame how tax payers money is being spent on such a useless project. Now what was the original plan mass transport system?


The rapid bus system is introduced by this government after cancelling the Lahore Mass Transit system. The detail of which

is as:

LAHORE - The Lahore Mass Transit project, planned in the 1990s but shelved last year, has been given a new lease of life

with an agreement signed between the Punjab government and China during Punjab CM Shahbaz Sharif’s visit to Beijing,

Pakistan Today has learnt. The project will provide fast transportation facilities to 0.6 million passengers per day. The

Lahore Mass Transit Project, earlier called LRMTS, will cost $1.7 billion and around 85 percent capital would be provided

by China.
Last time, the Asian Development Bank (ADB) was the co-financer in the LRMTS project with an estimated cost around $ 4.4

billion. According to the agreement with China, seven kilometre portion of urban rail spreading over a stretch of 27

kilometres in Lahore from Gajumata to Shahdara on Ferozepur Road will be laid underground. Lahore Transport Company

Chairman Khawaja Ahmed Hassaan, on behalf of the Punjab government, and Zhang Shiping, Vice President of NORINCO, an

international Chinese company, signed the agreement. Addressing the agreement signing ceremony, Shahbaz said that work on

the project would start this year and the Punjab government was ready to welcome Chinese engineers and skilled workers for

this purpose.
“The project will minimise congestion on public transport routes, provide a high-level of service, speed, frequency and

easy accessibility to reduce dependency on road vehicles, facilitate safe and environmentally-sustainable transport,” an

official of the transport department told Pakistan Today. Former LRMTS deputy director Tayyab Fareed said that planning for

the metro network had started in the 1990s when the priority corridor for a light rail transit system had been identified.
Internationally reputed consultants were commissioned by the government in 2005 to undertake a feasibility study of a rapid

mass transit system for Lahore. Spreading over 97 kilometres with 82 stations, a network of mass transit corridors

consisting of four lines was identified in December 2005 with Ferozepur Road as top priority corridor or ‘green line’.

Detailed feasibility of the green line had been finalised in August 2006 that had defined its main parameters.
Another official of the transport department said that according to the previous plan, Mega Metro Project consisted of a

Green Line and Orange Line that had to be completed in three to five years. The Full Metro Strategic Network included 4

lines (Green Line, Orange Line (Phase I), Purple Line and Blue Line Phase-II) and had 97 kilometres length with 82

stations. The Green Line had to extend from Shahdara to Hamza Town via Ravi Road, Lower Mall, Mall Road, Fatima Jinnah

Road, Qartaba Chowk and Ferozepur Road areas. The length of the Green Line was going to be 27 kilometres. Around 11.6

kilometres-long Green Line route had to be underground, while a 15.4 kilometres route had to be made an overhead.
There had been 12 underground and 10 overhead stations built on the Green Line route. The Orange Line was going to cost $2

billion. Its route had to extend from Pakistan Mint to Sabzazar via Shahnoor, Awan Town, Hinjarwal, Niaz Beg, Canal View,

Wahdat Road, Ali Town, Salahuddin Road, Bund Road, Islam Park, Dera Gujjran Depot, Mahmood Booti, Salamatpura, Samanabad,

Gulshan Ravi, Chauburji, Lake Road, Lakshmi Chowk, Railway Station, Sultanpura, UET, Baghbanpura and Shalimar Garden areas.

The length of Orange Line had to be 27 kilometres out of which 6.9 kilometres long tracks had been underground and a 20.2

kilometres-long overhead had to build upon which six underground and 20 overhead stations had to be established.
The central interchange station of Green and Orange lines had to be established besides linking these lines at Ring Road,

Railway Station, airport and Sports City. In Phase-II, two more tracks had to be laid, which were supposed to be called

Blue Line and Purple Line. The route length of blue line was going to be 24 kilometres. The ‘Blue Line’ had to start from

Chauburji and end at College Road, and from Chauburji the line had to pass through Mozang Chungi, Shadman Chowk, Jail Road,

Mian Boulevard Gulberg, Mian Boulevard Garden Town, Faisal Town and had to end at College Road. The route length of Purple

Line was going to be 19 kilometres. The Purple Line had to start from Bhaati Chowk and end at the Allama Iqbal

International Airport.
The line had to pass through Bhaati Chowk, Brandreth Road, Railway Station, Allama Iqbal Road, Dharampura, Ghazi Road and

end at the Allama Iqbal International Airport. Trains stations on the elevated route had to be designed like overhead

bridges while train stations on the underground route had two entrance ways and two exits.

Lahore Mass Transit project revived | Pakistan Today | Latest news | Breaking news | Pakistan News | World news | Business | Sport and Multimedia

Now this project was supposed to cover all Lahore while this Metro bus covers only one route. That project was studied in

depth while this project has been started without any planning. Thousands of shops, houses and shopping centers have been demolished to make way for this new road. This will only bring more traffic jams and chaos to already struggling Lahore.

Obviously Sharif brothers had to make sure the contractors are kept happy all the time, he has a moral obligation to '' FEED'' them. Millions of public money is being spent on aesthetics rather than to provide relief to public. There are parts of punjab where people still use roods made up of bricks ( solangs ) then there are also places where there is no electric transmition lines, no gass pipe lines.

 

[jnd3x0]

which part that you dont comprehend or dont understand, let me know?

and secondly dont tell me who you are or what you support, cause it doesnt matter..

Even if lets take this hypothesis that there was corruption attached with project, concluding it as failed project before it came to its mature state is just biased way to show resistance, I see it as a counter move, It's market they made a move let see what Pti have to offer in return to gain market share .... I think we really need to make our cognition a liberal department in our mind that we mostly lack. We can't blindly state every move of our opposition as failed because that will fail us too along with them in the end.

 

[AdeelFaheem]

Supplying the iron from ittefaq foundries is not corruption. It is corruption only if iron market rate se high price PR supply kia ja Raha ho. Job k iron lowest market rate PR supply KIA ja raha hai...